This Series is an Inconsistent Mess
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@allday9128_PSN He made no good points? You pointed out one thing you disagreed with and wrote the rest of the video off lol. Also, do you know what compromise means? It seems people have this weird notion that I'm forcing people to do anything. While I do not think it's fair and do not believe it should be allowed in ranked mode, I never said to remove it from the game. Honestly, if we put it to a vote, it seems like Strikezone would be the default hitting view. IF that were the case, I wouldn't have a problem. Regardless, I stand by what I said. I just wish people had more reading comprehension and would answer a few of the questions I posed. The replies I've gotten are all the same, just different wording.
Let me simplify what I'm asking, and I would love a well thought out, non-defensive answer. I match people's energy. If someone comes at it respectfully, that's the kind of reply they will get. This is a good lesson for life, in general.
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For those who disagree with my thoughts on batting view camera in ranked matches... do you believe there's no difference between using strike zone and the default camera? Is it just cosmetic? Does it not make it easier when all you can see is the strike zone? (and crotches) I'd like a respectful, rational answer to this question. Support why you feel the way you do.
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I mentioned a compromise. I switched off "cross-play" because that's an option available in the game. I suggested that option be made available for gameplay style as well. I'd rather not play anyone using Strikezone because I don't believe we're on equal footing and I don't want to be forced to switch, much like many of you. Would anyone care to address this? Too much focus on what you don't like about my statement, and people acting like I'm unreasonable.
@yankblan_PSN said in This Series is an Inconsistent Mess:
Guy defends a weak take by insulting people who don’t agree with it. Good luck with that.
See? ^^^ yankblan, you've got a soft definition of insults. But I'm sure you're a wonderful guy when you're not going for likes on a forum! I'd have a drink with you. Could you mention the complimentary side of me, if you decide to reply?
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@Squid_Adams_PSN said in This Series is an Inconsistent Mess:
@allday9128_PSN He made no good points? You pointed out one thing you disagreed with and wrote the rest of the video off lol. Also, do you know what compromise means? It seems people have this weird notion that I'm forcing people to do anything. While I do not think it's fair and do not believe it should be allowed in ranked mode, I never said to remove it from the game. Honestly, if we put it to a vote, it seems like Strikezone would be the default hitting view. IF that were the case, I wouldn't have a problem. Regardless, I stand by what I said. I just wish people had more reading comprehension and would answer a few of the questions I posed. The replies I've gotten are all the same, just different wording.
Let me simplify what I'm asking, and I would love a well thought out, non-defensive answer. I match people's energy. If someone comes at it respectfully, that's the kind of reply they will get. This is a good lesson for life, in general.
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For those who disagree with my thoughts on batting view camera in ranked matches... do you believe there's no difference between using strike zone and the default camera? Is it just cosmetic? Does it not make it easier when all you can see is the strike zone? (and crotches) I'd like a respectful, rational answer to this question. Support why you feel the way you do.
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I mentioned a compromise. I switched off "cross-play" because that's an option available in the game. I suggested that option be made available for gameplay style as well. I'd rather not play anyone using Strikezone because I don't believe we're on equal footing and I don't want to be forced to switch, much like many of you. Would anyone care to address this? Too much focus on what you don't like about my statement, and people acting like I'm unreasonable.
I heard him make 0 good points about hitting.
And yes for some people there may be a difference in using different camera angles to see the ball better. It has no impact on the game. Timing windows don't change, pci doesn't change, a perfect perfect on strike zone view is still a perfect perfect using the catcher camera.
And nobody cares that you only want to play against people who use the same settings you do. Its the fact that youre basically saying people are cheating for using options in the game. Theres no competitive advantage, because all options are available to all players. Play on what you're comfortable on. I couldn't care at all if my opponent is using directional hitting and classic pitching with a camera view from the press box.
And then you say you want a well thought out non-defensive answer, when you were already getting defensive in your post before there was even a reply. Talking about "being ready for the triggered show apologists." People are just matching your energy.
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@allday9128_PSN said in This Series is an Inconsistent Mess:
I heard him make 0 good points about hitting.
To be fair though, I don't know how objectively you were watching. You seem to be a Show apologist, and that would make it harder to be open minded when someone is talking down on something you enjoy. Is everything he's saying articulate and well thought out? I wouldn't say so, but I've played this game in large enough sample size to understand a lot of what he's saying. My friend is also a Show apologist. He doesn't play the game nearly as much as I do, so he doesn't see what I see with the time I've put into the game. Honestly, maybe if I played this game less, I wouldn't see the flaws as clearly.
@allday9128_PSN said in This Series is an Inconsistent Mess:
And yes for some people there may be a difference in using different camera angles to see the ball better. It has no impact on the game. Timing windows don't change, pci doesn't change, a perfect perfect on strike zone view is still a perfect perfect using the catcher camera.
This feels like the argument Mark McGwire made to justify his steroid use haha.
@allday9128_PSN said in This Series is an Inconsistent Mess:
And nobody cares that you only want to play against people who use the same settings you do. Its the fact that youre basically saying people are cheating for using options in the game. Theres no competitive advantage, because all options are available to all players. Play on what you're comfortable on. I couldn't care at all if my opponent is using directional hitting and classic pitching with a camera view from the press box.
Ahh, so dudes are just in their feelings about me calling their skill into question. No wonder I wasn't getting any responses with substance. All the options are available, true... but I don't enjoy playing the game that way. It seems people who feel like I do are being passively forced to make the switch so they can be back on equal footing. Just because you don't care doesn't mean other people don't. I wouldn't want to play baseball with juicers, either. (For the inevitable "but steroids are against the rules" response... let's just say I'm referring to pre-1991... when the MLB didn't have rules against it.)
@allday9128_PSN said in This Series is an Inconsistent Mess:
And then you say you want a well thought out non-defensive answer, when you were already getting defensive in your post before there was even a reply. Talking about "being ready for the triggered show apologists." People are just matching your energy.
Fair enough. However, this isn't my first post on this topic. I know the Strikezone fanboys and Show apologists get rabid when someone calls their sweet baby into question, so I used that as a deterrent (you know, reverse psychology) but people still took the bait. Also, I didn't call out anyone in particular. If you saw yourself as one of those people I described, that's on you. Interesting thing to take personally. Really, I was hoping to find people who related to this, but looks like they've all moved on from this broken mess of a game. It's not even the All-Star Break...
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@Squid_Adams_PSN said in This Series is an Inconsistent Mess:
@YOSHI24_XBL People don't get it because the game doesn't play like that. It was supposed to, but SDS just isn't good like they once were. There's no consistency and a lot of what happens in the game is random. Every sports series falls off. Madden did, NBA Live and 2K did and you're lying if you say The Show hasn't.
Sorry, that is wrong. People are to narrow-minded … only look at 1 perspective. I play a ton and I can tell you: If my pinpoint/location is bad, bad things happen more often than not … Call me a lyer but imo gameplay is not as bad as ppl are making it (because they only look at the few recent results their mind is capable of … with 1 perspective) … gameplay alone has gotten better since they nerfed this crazy disgraceful stadiums (byebye shield woods
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@Squid_Adams_PSN I’d imagine there aren’t many “dudes are just in their feelings about me calling their skill into question.” when it’s coming from a guy with a losing record and a sub .200 avg online, but stay humble.
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@Squid_Adams_PSN said in This Series is an Inconsistent Mess:
Fair enough. However, this isn't my first post on this topic. I know the Strikezone fanboys and Show apologists get rabid when someone calls their sweet baby into question, so I used that as a deterrent (you know, reverse psychology) but people still took the bait. Also, I didn't call out anyone in particular. If you saw yourself as one of those people I described, that's on you.
Way to sway people to your side. Be condescending and talk down to them. That always works.
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@GoozeFn_PSN
When I experience BS (which is quite often) I just put my controller down and walk away. Drives up my overall ERA and lowers my batting average. But then again, I've thrown a perfect game in the past 2 weeks, and had double digit hits in multiple games. Game is inconsistent af. That's a huge part of the problem. The things that lead me to be successful are now leading me to give up 6 runs in 5 innings to a guy with a collective .160 batting average. Being a World Series ranked Head to Head player in past Show games, I feel comfortable with my stance. -
No it doesn't. Like I mentioned earlier, when electing to respond to someone, if someone has a respectful and well thought out reply, they will receive that in return. That's what works.
So you're telling me if I was more sugary with my words when people don't seem to understand what I'm saying, then I could have swayed people to my side? Are you sure they don't already have a side, based on how they play the game? The people who are on my side and against me are going to be there no matter what I say. I could glaze each and every last person who disagrees with me and they'd still feel all the feelings they're feeling. Don't worry, you're all really good at the game and Strikezone actually makes the game HARDER
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I use meter and the results are random. You're talking to an open minded person who looks at all perspectives in all facets of my life. If someone made a good point to me, I would have acknowledged it and possibly backed off altogether. The idea of pinpoint is if you have the patience to learn a whole new way of pitching, the ball will go exactly where you want it. I'm sure what you're experiencing is valid. Meanwhile, I use the default meter which has been a staple in the Show forever. It's not uncommon for me to place a pitch in on the hands, just outside the edge of the strike zone.... get a good release, then watch the ball travel out over the middle of the plate which inevitably gets crushed for a home run. Often times it comes in crucial moments of the game. My opponent has been hitless and scoreless for 6 innings and is down a run, but all of a sudden a pitch of mine is hung, not resembling the pitch I intended to throw at all. Bang, home run, game is tied.
The reason I'm frustrated by it, is because I agree with you. The inconsistency with this game is that I've been in a good number of games where it plays PHENOMENALLY. But then I play 3 games in a row and I don't even recognize what's happening. And the opponent quality is about the same. I'd love to see it be consistently fun, but too much random nonsense. Then people defend the game's honor (Are ya'll SDS employees? hahaha) and it only continues to get more broken each year. The biggest improvement in this game in the last 8 years is probably the crack of the bat sound. Pathetic. And they're removing features like Madden is so famous for doing. No more custom soundtracks is moving in the wrong direction, much like the series on the whole. We need competition back, then maybe people here can see what's possible in a good baseball game.
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@Squid_Adams_PSN said in This Series is an Inconsistent Mess:
Really, I was hoping to find people who related to this, but looks like they've all moved on from this broken mess of a game. It's not even the All-Star Break...
No one is going to relate to you whining like a [censored] about people using different camera angles and pitching inputs than you.
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My favorite part was when he complained about tattoos because it’s 2025 and apparently in 2025 tattoo artists don’t get paid for their art work and he thinks the people who make this game are gonna pay for licensing rights to tattoo artists when they barely have enough old players.
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@Squid_Adams_PSN not engaging with someone who lays baits around and claims to take the moral high ground yet can’t back up his arguments with nothing but personal preferences and anecdotal “evidence”. Add to that the condescension and goodbye
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@Squid_Adams_PSN said in This Series is an Inconsistent Mess:
I use meter and the results are random. You're talking to an open minded person who looks at all perspectives in all facets of my life. If someone made a good point to me, I would have acknowledged it and possibly backed off altogether. The idea of pinpoint is if you have the patience to learn a whole new way of pitching, the ball will go exactly where you want it. I'm sure what you're experiencing is valid. Meanwhile, I use the default meter which has been a staple in the Show forever. It's not uncommon for me to place a pitch in on the hands, just outside the edge of the strike zone.... get a good release, then watch the ball travel out over the middle of the plate which inevitably gets crushed for a home run. Often times it comes in crucial moments of the game. My opponent has been hitless and scoreless for 6 innings and is down a run, but all of a sudden a pitch of mine is hung, not resembling the pitch I intended to throw at all. Bang, home run, game is tied.
The reason I'm frustrated by it, is because I agree with you. The inconsistency with this game is that I've been in a good number of games where it plays PHENOMENALLY. But then I play 3 games in a row and I don't even recognize what's happening. And the opponent quality is about the same. I'd love to see it be consistently fun, but too much random nonsense. Then people defend the game's honor (Are ya'll SDS employees? hahaha) and it only continues to get more broken each year. The biggest improvement in this game in the last 8 years is probably the crack of the bat sound. Pathetic. And they're removing features like Madden is so famous for doing. No more custom soundtracks is moving in the wrong direction, much like the series on the whole. We need competition back, then maybe people here can see what's possible in a good baseball game.
One of the pro players uses meter … in a competitive environment… But I cannot argue with that one, since I do not use it. But it sounds weird.
But you blame the game for not improving and then you do not use the biggest improvement (pinpoint) the game has put out the last 5 years. That is simply wild. Nearly all the comp guys use that, that has to have a cause. Put in some work and the better results will happen. Be warned: you gotta be good with every input, otherwise bad things will happen
But let‘s agree on that competition is always nice to have … do not forget the licensing tho
… Nobody plays a baseball game with „Frank Lindman“ as the starting SS for the New York Mets :).But I do not agree, that the game gets worse. I play baseball video games for the last 40+ years. Some of you folks do not see how good a product it is.
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@allday9128_PSN
Reddit would disagree with that. People whining is what makes products better. Whining about Madden and making hashtags go viral about how bad that game is has the NFL reconsidering the exclusive deal they have with EA. There are plenty of people who agree with me and dislike this game... they've just given up on it and aren't on these forums. I want The Show to be good again, but for some reason people are fighting like mad against their own best interests.@fubar2k7_PSN said in This Series is an Inconsistent Mess:
My favorite part was when he complained about tattoos because it’s 2025 and apparently in 2025 tattoo artists don’t get paid for their art work and he thinks the people who make this game are gonna pay for licensing rights to tattoo artists when they barely have enough old players.
My guy out here thinking SDS doesn't have the money to pay the tattoo artists and make that happen lol. 2K has been doing this for years. It adds to the realism and presentation. I'd say your last sentence doesn't make sense, but then I realized your whole post is one long run-on sentence lol. If you're going to step up to the plate and try to match wits, your post can't resemble that of a 3rd grade student.
@yankblan_PSN said in This Series is an Inconsistent Mess:
Add to that the condescension and goodbye
You sound like my Aunt hahaha. Decrease the soy in your diet. Goodbye indeed. You have added nothing of substance in any of your replies, because you simply can't back up how you think either. So I guess we're both worthless.
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You come at it in bad faith; there’s no point “debating” when you can’t expose a credible premise and do so with boxing gloves already on.
This has been pointed to you many times by different members including other threads. I’m not denying your right to be dissatisfied though.
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@Squid_Adams_PSN You’re hitting .197 in ranked and based off your record, that’s mostly on All Star. You aren’t fooling anyone about your skill. Maybe you should try strike zone.
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What sounds weird? What I've experienced pitching with the meter? I'm sure there are people who can hit that yellow bar with very high rate. Even then, I've hit the yellow bar and still had the ball land somewhere different than where I placed it.
I blame the game for getting worse. There was nothing to improve on a few years ago, but then SDS started adding all these different settings, some which were designed to be superior a'la pinpoint pitching and Strikezone. The majority of the best players use these settings. Is that a coincidence? Or perhaps I have a point? Not to mention, since 2017 what has been the biggest improvement in this series? They haven't touched the graphics, animations or bothered with online franchise (and that's not even something I care about... but I know people have been begging for it for years) Did they introduce pinpoint because meter doesn't work like it should? I really don't understand the need for a new style of pitching. Seems to me like that's some kind of admission from SDS that their game doesn't work right. I tried it and it's not fun, imo. I've mentioned not wanting to be strong armed into using the settings everyone uses to get that competitive edge. If they don't want to / have to change, I don't know why I should. Honestly, I don't want to put the work in to a game that I'm fairly sure produces random results at least 25% of the time. I learned meter, and I'm pretty good using it. If meter doesn't work as it should SDS should take it out of the game and require everyone use pinpoint, since that seems to be the setting that works as intended.
True. I don't know if SDS has exclusive rights a'la EA and Madden... but for the love of God, do all 3 major sports games need competition. I used to buy 2K, Madden and The Show annually. Now I haven't bought a 2K since 2K22, Madden since 2019 and skipped The Show from 22-24. To be honest though, I'm enjoying the College Football series and once you get a few years into your dynasty, you get yourself a Frank Lindman or a Coco Johnson.... game is still fun! I grew up on baseball games where Ken Griffey Jr. was the only licensed player in the game haha.
I do see how good the product is. I've never seen a baseball game where it's actually a challenge to discern balls from strikes. The series pretty much nailed how a baseball simulation should play more than any baseball game in the past. But I've seen it go more and more down that Ultimate Team route where they're catering to YouTubers who they count on to advertise their game. And since a lot of these guys get complimentary copies of the game, packs of cards etc... they're not going to bash the game. They are there to show off the sweet diamonds they pulled, convince people to buy packs of cards... and hit bombs with their new cards (home runs are beyond excessive, btw) Then people will think if they buy cards, they'll pull sweet diamonds and hit bombs just like the guy on YouTube. It's more about fireworks now than balance and consistency, imo. I wish I were like you and could enjoy the game. I just play it too much and this is what I see from the series in 2025. But the bones of a great baseball game are very much there, we just gotta switch up the diet a bit (so to speak)
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Your best post yet! However, my premise is credible. I've put far too many hours into this game and have a huge sample size to back up what I'm saying. It's what I experience whenever I log on to the game, I guess I just can't articulate it in a way that other people can understand. Boxing gloves are only reserved for the people I knew would be fired up over my opinion piece. If you read the back and forth between Yoshi and I, I'm dealing with him much differently.... sans boxing gloves. Thank you for allowing me to be dissatisfied. Just one of many!
@GoozeFn_PSN
There's a lot of stuff to read on this thread, I get it! You missed the part where I addressed that and that's okay. Don't beat yourself up over it. I mentioned if I throw a pitch that's way inside, in on the batter's hands and they crank it for a home run on early contact, I'm out. I don't quit the game, I just put the controller down and walk away from the TV. It jacks up my ERA and plummets my batting average. I'm basically a .500 player in 2025. Prior to that, I was somewhere between Division and World Series ranking. -
@Squid_Adams_PSN I saw the excuse. I just don’t buy it. You’re 7 games under .500 to be accurate. I don’t buy that you’ve ever made World Series either. Maybe you should spend more time in custom practice than you do on this forum blaming the game for your lack of skill.
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