PLEASE ADD PETE ROSE!
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@Teak2112_MLBTS Tony Gwynn was a better person than Pete Rose.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS I’m with ya! Tony Gwynn is my right fielder every year. He was my favorite player growing up & I absolutely love playing with him in The Show.
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@sbchamps17_NSW said in PLEASE ADD PETE ROSE!:
Pete Rose will never be in the game, if you want to know why Google Pete Rose 15 and you'll find out why. It's what all the content creators are saying when people ask in their stream
Ok, quick-google-search (no time to dig further) … case sealed … Thx …
To some other posts here in this thread: Pete Rose has a carreer WAR of 79.6 (Baseball-reference). Saying he was „not that good“ is a pretty wild statement. His Career war is higher than Brooks Robinson, Joltin Joe, Ozzie Smith, Paul Molitor, … He ranks no 66 all-time. Sure, he had 24 seasons to do it (and has was basically a replacement-player (in WAR-termins) his last 9 seasons) … but had several seasons of 5+ WAR … still not great, but still „not a bad baseball player“
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Pete Rose is not an inner circle guy and should never be in 'best ever' discussions.
Was he a good player? Sure. Molitor seems like a fair enough comparison. Putting DiMaggio in there is pretty absurd though.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS said in PLEASE ADD PETE ROSE!:
Pete Rose is not an inner circle guy and should never be in 'best ever' discussions.
Was he a good player? Sure. Molitor seems like a fair enough comparison. Putting DiMaggio in there is pretty absurd though.
Dimaggio missed three years of his prime. So comparing WAR between a guy whose career was curtailed with a guy who decided he got to stick around for maybe a decade too long is silly. Pete strikes me as a bone spurs type of fella who would never have put country first.
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There are 4,256 reasons for Pete Rose to be in the game. When you hold a record that nobody will ever approach again, no matter how many games they add to the playoffs, you've earned the right. The sudden injection of morality in a group that sits there with the kill switch next to them so they can disconnect the game before your 1st inning home run gets counted is rich.
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@theBlindRhino_PSN said in PLEASE ADD PETE ROSE!:
He’s only the hit king because he got to pencil himself in the lineup well past his productive years. I know being a PDF file is no longer considered a bad thing to half the country but SDS has already set a precedent on this issue. Pete Rose won’t be in the game for the same reason Wander Franco isn’t.
Buddy, you really gotta get outside more. Just because I don't like who certain people voted for doesn't mean I'm ready to label half the country monsters.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS said in PLEASE ADD PETE ROSE!:
Pete Rose is not an inner circle guy and should never be in 'best ever' discussions.
Was he a good player? Sure. Molitor seems like a fair enough comparison. Putting DiMaggio in there is pretty absurd though.
based on his career accomplishments (statwise) Joe is right there … like it or not
. I am with you, that Joe (never saw him playing the game :)) was the clear better talent EDIT: But do not take my post out of proportion. I never said „best ever“ (not even close) … I answered because some folks here stated that he was not a good baseball player. He was good and by far: not great :). Let‘s agree on that (if you want)
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they need to negotiate with Pete's family / estate. they can't just add guys. It costs money and I bet Pete would cost them a lot. SDS has a budget too. So do they want to spend a large portion of that budget on Pete Rose or spend that on maybe 5-10 different players.
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@sbchamps17_NSW They took out Mariano just for allegations of a SA cover up. Allegations, no conviction, no admission of guilt in a court but allegations. Yet some want Pete Rose in lol.
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Baseball "purists" crack me up. Lol Its the only sport that does this goofy stuff, and for SO long and with such commitment. Im in my early forties, the "steroid era" was the best era of baseball in my lifetime. And technically speaking (with VERY few exceptions, not nearly as much as some purists would like to say) EVERYONE was juicing, so it evens out. Yet, lets ban pretty much everyone from ever getting HOF consideration. Ok... Lol
Yes, i realize rose wasn't a roids thing, if anything stuff like that is even worse. And its all the same mindset.
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Funny thing about Pete Rose being 66th in all time WAR
The guy who is 67th is out of the hall of fame for being an asshole. No gambling, no links to steroids, no cheating, no uh, playing in the minor leagues. Just a world class asshole. -
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in PLEASE ADD PETE ROSE!:
Funny thing about Pete Rose being 66th in all time WAR
The guy who is 67th is out of the hall of fame for being an asshole. No gambling, no links to steroids, no cheating, no uh, playing in the minor leagues. Just a world class asshole.Had a good idea who you were referring to. Looked it up. Yep.
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@theBlindRhino_PSN said in PLEASE ADD PETE ROSE!:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in PLEASE ADD PETE ROSE!:
Funny thing about Pete Rose being 66th in all time WAR
The guy who is 67th is out of the hall of fame for being an asshole. No gambling, no links to steroids, no cheating, no uh, playing in the minor leagues. Just a world class asshole.Had a good idea who you were referring to. Looked it up. Yep.
I mean, he doesnt have the hits record so its not easy to be a direct comparison, but 3000 Ks and one of the best post season pitchers of all time makes him a no brainer HoF based on his career alone.
But after what he pulled with Wakefield he can rot.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS He was always a bad guy. Go back and watch how he was on the bench during the 93 playoffs. Bad teammate.
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@YOSHI24_XBL The "Pete Rose 15" thing is a woman who claims to have had a physical relationship with Rose when she was underage. These claims have not been verified nor substantiated in any way beyond her allegations and hearsay. These allegations were brought forth by John Dowd in 2017. So, even though Dowd had begun investigating Rose as early as 1988, these allegations were not made public for 42 years.
He may be guilty, he may not. Being guilty of gambling does not automatically make him guilty of anything else. The complete lack of any evidence is why no charges were ever filed.
Wander Franco, on the other hand faces a litany of charges beyond the Stat. charge. Additionally, there is a substantial amount of evidence to support his charges.
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@Tuke7-1_PSN said in PLEASE ADD PETE ROSE!:
@YOSHI24_XBL The "Pete Rose 15" thing is a woman who claims to have had a physical relationship with Rose when she was underage. These claims have not been verified nor substantiated in any way beyond her allegations and hearsay. These allegations were brought forth by John Dowd in 2017. So, even though Dowd had begun investigating Rose as early as 1988, these allegations were not made public for 42 years.
He may be guilty, he may not. Being guilty of gambling does not automatically make him guilty of anything else. The complete lack of any evidence is why no charges were ever filed.
Wander Franco, on the other hand faces a litany of charges beyond the Stat. charge. Additionally, there is a substantial amount of evidence to support his charges.
Rose himself admitted to the relationship and used the defense of "I thought she was 16"
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@Tuke7-1_PSN Thanks. But let‘s close that. I am glad he is unbanned now … He is the ultimate hits leader … Everything else judging-wise is not my business
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@theBlindRhino_PSN said in PLEASE ADD PETE ROSE!:
So comparing WAR between a guy whose career was curtailed with a guy who decided he got to stick around for maybe a decade too long is silly.
Last 10 years of Pete's Career. These are his batting averages
.311
.302
.331
.282
.325
.271
.245
.286
.259
.365
.264
.214Hardly the numbers of a guy who stuck around a decade too long.
He was a Top 10 MVP candidate when he was 40.
Led the league in hits when he was 40
Led the league in doubles at ages 37 and 39
Led the league in Games played at age 41I don't even really like Pete, and think he would just be another low power card that nobody would use at the higher competitive levels. I don't care if he is in the game but to dismiss his final decade is just misguided.
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The last 7 years of his career, he had -1.2 rWAR and -13.6 WAA. He had 884 hits in that time period. Without those 7 years of being an overall negative contributor to his teams, he has 3372 hits, only good for 10th all time.
During the last 7 years of Ty Cobb’s career, he had 31.6 rWAR and 17.6 WAA.
During the last 7 years of Hank Aaron’s career, he had 23.4 rWAR and 12.0 WAA.
During the last 7 years of Stan Musial’s career, he had 19.9 rWAR and 7.5 WAA.
During the last 7 years of Tris Speaker’s career, he had 37.0 rWAR and 22.5 WAA.
During the last 7 years of Derek Jeter’s career, he had 13.3 rWAR and -0.5 WAA.
During the last 7 years of Cap Anson’s career, he had 17.7 rWAR and 5.4 WAA.
During the last 7 years of Honus Wagner’s career, he had 29.1 rWAR and 17.5 WAA.
During the last 7 years of Carl Yastrzemski’s career, he had 12.0 rWAR and 0.1 WAA.
During the last 7 years of Albert Pujols’ career, he had 1.3 rWAR and -9.4 WAA.
Those are the 9 guys that would be ahead of him. All of them were better than him over their last 7 years. All of them outside of Albert Pujols were significantly better than him. No body consistently watched Pujols for those 7 years and thought he was good and he was still better than Rose.
Rose isn’t the all time hits leader because he was that good. He’s the all time hits leader because other top players retired when they felt they wouldn’t positively contribute to their team anymore. Rose didn’t care that he sucked and kept playing anyway.
But he shouldn’t be in the game for other reasons, not this.
