Food for thought
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@dcordash1 said in Food for thought:
Here is a thought. More conspiratorial than fact-based, but quite plausible. Surely would fit into a marketing strategy by a gaming company.
I believe every year SDS chooses a random set of userId's to "relax" the AI on. Perhaps set most of their online experience to "Veteran" difficulty or whatever. Those are your consistent 800 folks. And, believe me, that would easy-cheesy for the programmers to integrate into the game. A simple coded switch.
By doing this SDS has created a "point of reference" that the fan-boys can recite to argue the game-play is based on player skill not AI. Really isn't another valid argument I've ever heard than this. Don't know how many times I've seen some one type "It has to be real or so-and-so wouldn't always be 800+". Well, my response is "you have to be gullible" to believe that's any sort of quantifiable metric. Marketing...pure and simple.
I wouldn't put anything passed anyone. It doesn't matter any way because if this were true, there'd be know way to know for sure.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Food for thought:
There are an infinite number of things you do not believe despite them not being readily disprovable.
-A lack of evidence is just cause for skepticism.
-Paralysis of decision can be avoided by making common sense judgements with the credible information we do have.I'll say a few things back as it relates to The Show. Definitely not getting off the beaten trail..that's for another forum altogether.
I see a lot, perhaps the majority, of posts out here of people mentioning all the inconsistencies and "cheats" as some call it in the game. I consider my own experiences with the game. It's aligns with what "perhaps the majority" are saying. These are things I believe that ARE readily provable if you have any confidence that "perhaps the majority" aren't all lying or confused.
Is there a lack of evidence? typically personal testimony holds up in court. I realize no ones going to get cited for perjury lying about a console-game experience, but why else would they share? I see no motive. A large percentage of the stories aren't because they are "losers" (the other, aggressive and bullying, argument that the fan-boys break out). It's often just observations during play..not during losing.
Now, would folks that have a vested interest in the success of SDS sales have a motive for arguing with ALL THE MANY REPORTS ON THIS FORUM OF BS AI INTERVENTION. I believe they would.
And if AI intervenes to control the outcome of a game...ever.....that game isn't a realistic competition where the "winners" of the game should gloat about their victories and pretentiously label those on the other side of the AI curve as non-winners. It's a game that is horribly flawed..at least in the context of being representative of an authentic sports simulation. That's all.
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@dcordash1 said in Food for thought:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Food for thought:
There are an infinite number of things you do not believe despite them not being readily disprovable.
-A lack of evidence is just cause for skepticism.
-Paralysis of decision can be avoided by making common sense judgements with the credible information we do have.I'll say a few things back as it relates to The Show. Definitely not getting off the beaten trail..that's for another forum altogether.
I see a lot, perhaps the majority, of posts out here of people mentioning all the inconsistencies and "cheats" as some call it in the game. I consider my own experiences with the game. It's aligns with what "perhaps the majority" are saying. These are things I believe that ARE readily provable if you have any confidence that "perhaps the majority" aren't all lying or confused.
Is there a lack of evidence? typically personal testimony holds up in court. I realize no ones going to get cited for perjury lying about a console-game experience, but why else would they share? I see no motive. A large percentage of the stories aren't because they are "losers" (the other, aggressive and bullying, argument that the fan-boys break out). It's often just observations during play..not during losing.
Now, would folks that have a vested interest in the success of SDS sales have a motive for arguing with ALL THE MANY REPORTS ON THIS FORUM OF BS AI INTERVENTION. I believe they would.
And if AI intervenes to control the outcome of a game...ever.....that game isn't a realistic competition where the "winners" of the game should gloat about their victories and pretentiously label those on the other side of the AI curve as non-winners. It's a game that is horribly flawed..at least in the context of being representative of an authentic sports simulation. That's all.
This is an error in thinking. No, really. There is literally a name for it - the bandwagon fallacy.
I’d also note that eyewitness testimony is quite unreliable. It’s influenced by so much of our inherent biases, like biases that shift blame from one’s own shortcomings to something external.
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I wish they would pick me one of these years.
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This man acting like a lot of people in RL don't get mad about losing. Everyone is a perfect saint who's only motive in posting negative things is to better the game.
Not to mention, this site, reddit, and Twitter don't represent the majority of the game, most people go about playing it without ever posting, so drawing any conclusions based on posts is folly.
The reason so many people claim about the game forcing them to lose is simple, if something is repeated enough, it gets believed. I see a post that claims the game is making that person lose, I remember times I lost, and suddenly I start thinking, wait what if it's not me? Plenty of people want that excuse.
If I tell you to look for Yellow cars, suddenly you'll start seeing yellow cars everywhere because you are aware of it. Even though the amount of Yellow cars didn't actually increase, you just weren't looking for it before.
Same principle applies here. We all know the game isn't perfect and there are flaws, but if someone is looking for the game purposingly making them lose, they will see those flaws as intentional actions, and surmise the game is making them lose.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Food for thought:
This is an error in thinking. No, really. There is literally a name for it - the bandwagon fallacy.
?? Ok, you give..I get it.
Ha...but really, I like the game enuf to buy it every year...Believe it's like how women relate pregnancy. It can be horribly stressful and painful, but our memories forget the degree of pain and we do it all over again.
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@eatyum said in Food for thought:
This man acting like a lot of people in RL don't get mad about losing. Everyone is a perfect saint who's only motive in posting negative things is to better the game.
Not to mention, this site, reddit, and Twitter don't represent the majority of the game, most people go about playing it without ever posting, so drawing any conclusions based on posts is folly.
The reason so many people claim about the game forcing them to lose is simple, if something is repeated enough, it gets believed. I see a post that claims the game is making that person lose, I remember times I lost, and suddenly I start thinking, wait what if it's not me? Plenty of people want that excuse.
If I tell you to look for Yellow cars, suddenly you'll start seeing yellow cars everywhere because you are aware of it. Even though the amount of Yellow cars didn't actually increase, you just weren't looking for it before.
Same principle applies here. We all know the game isn't perfect and there are flaws, but if someone is looking for the game purposingly making them lose, they will see those flaws as intentional actions, and surmise the game is making them lose.No..just no...
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@dcordash1 said in Food for thought:
@eatyum said in Food for thought:
This man acting like a lot of people in RL don't get mad about losing. Everyone is a perfect saint who's only motive in posting negative things is to better the game.
Not to mention, this site, reddit, and Twitter don't represent the majority of the game, most people go about playing it without ever posting, so drawing any conclusions based on posts is folly.
The reason so many people claim about the game forcing them to lose is simple, if something is repeated enough, it gets believed. I see a post that claims the game is making that person lose, I remember times I lost, and suddenly I start thinking, wait what if it's not me? Plenty of people want that excuse.
If I tell you to look for Yellow cars, suddenly you'll start seeing yellow cars everywhere because you are aware of it. Even though the amount of Yellow cars didn't actually increase, you just weren't looking for it before.
Same principle applies here. We all know the game isn't perfect and there are flaws, but if someone is looking for the game purposingly making them lose, they will see those flaws as intentional actions, and surmise the game is making them lose.No..just no...
Thanks, you really disproved everything I said with that sentence.
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@eatyum said in Food for thought:
@dcordash1 said in Food for thought:
@eatyum said in Food for thought:
This man acting like a lot of people in RL don't get mad about losing. Everyone is a perfect saint who's only motive in posting negative things is to better the game.
Not to mention, this site, reddit, and Twitter don't represent the majority of the game, most people go about playing it without ever posting, so drawing any conclusions based on posts is folly.
The reason so many people claim about the game forcing them to lose is simple, if something is repeated enough, it gets believed. I see a post that claims the game is making that person lose, I remember times I lost, and suddenly I start thinking, wait what if it's not me? Plenty of people want that excuse.
If I tell you to look for Yellow cars, suddenly you'll start seeing yellow cars everywhere because you are aware of it. Even though the amount of Yellow cars didn't actually increase, you just weren't looking for it before.
Same principle applies here. We all know the game isn't perfect and there are flaws, but if someone is looking for the game purposingly making them lose, they will see those flaws as intentional actions, and surmise the game is making them lose.No..just no...
Thanks, you really disproved everything I said with that sentence.
Tell me how my logic is wrong, otherwise you are just blowing smoke.You get me.
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@eatyum said in Food for thought:
This man acting like a lot of people in RL don't get mad about losing. Everyone is a perfect saint who's only motive in posting negative things is to better the game.
Not to mention, this site, reddit, and Twitter don't represent the majority of the game, most people go about playing it without ever posting, so drawing any conclusions based on posts is folly.
The reason so many people claim about the game forcing them to lose is simple, if something is repeated enough, it gets believed. I see a post that claims the game is making that person lose, I remember times I lost, and suddenly I start thinking, wait what if it's not me? Plenty of people want that excuse.
If I tell you to look for Yellow cars, suddenly you'll start seeing yellow cars everywhere because you are aware of it. Even though the amount of Yellow cars didn't actually increase, you just weren't looking for it before.
Same principle applies here. We all know the game isn't perfect and there are flaws, but if someone is looking for the game purposingly making them lose, they will see those flaws as intentional actions, and surmise the game is making them lose.
I’m sorry but when there’s video/photo being shared of the game doing stupid stuff that benefits one opponent over the other, well you can’t sit and say players are just imagining it. It actually happened, it was captured and shared. Funny thing is this topic is brought up multiple times a year, every year. It’s not a coincidence that many players are “imagining” things.
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@SHOW_TIME_ryan said in Food for thought:
@eatyum said in Food for thought:
This man acting like a lot of people in RL don't get mad about losing. Everyone is a perfect saint who's only motive in posting negative things is to better the game.
Not to mention, this site, reddit, and Twitter don't represent the majority of the game, most people go about playing it without ever posting, so drawing any conclusions based on posts is folly.
The reason so many people claim about the game forcing them to lose is simple, if something is repeated enough, it gets believed. I see a post that claims the game is making that person lose, I remember times I lost, and suddenly I start thinking, wait what if it's not me? Plenty of people want that excuse.
If I tell you to look for Yellow cars, suddenly you'll start seeing yellow cars everywhere because you are aware of it. Even though the amount of Yellow cars didn't actually increase, you just weren't looking for it before.
Same principle applies here. We all know the game isn't perfect and there are flaws, but if someone is looking for the game purposingly making them lose, they will see those flaws as intentional actions, and surmise the game is making them lose.
I’m sorry but when there’s video/photo being shared of the game doing stupid stuff that benefits one opponent over the other, well you can’t sit and say players are just imagining it. It actually happened, it was captured and shared. Funny thing is this topic is brought up multiple times a year, every year. It’s not a coincidence that many players are “imagining” things.
I didn't say they were imagining flaws. Never once did I say that. And no it's not a coincidence people think the game is forcing them to lose, as I said, if something gets repeated enough it gets believed.
I'm saying the flaws are just flaws, and by their nature, they will screw one person over more then the other in any small sample size, such as in a game. Or with flaws do you think they should screw everybody equally in each individual game?
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Food for thought:
I’d also note that eyewitness testimony is quite unreliable. It’s influenced by so much of our inherent biases, like biases that shift blame from one’s own shortcomings to something external.
Oh, brother....I believe you may be putting an argument together based on a single or maybe even a couple eyewitnesses.
Start this out again with - "group-think based on mass-hysteria formulated by the shortcomings of a gaming demographic" is often quite unreliable.
Then you got an argument...albeit a pretty weak one.
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@dcordash1 said in Food for thought:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Food for thought:
I’d also note that eyewitness testimony is quite unreliable. It’s influenced by so much of our inherent biases, like biases that shift blame from one’s own shortcomings to something external.
Oh, brother....I believe you may be putting an argument together based on a single or maybe even a couple eyewitnesses.
Start this out again with - "group-think based on mass-hysteria formulated by the shortcomings of a gaming demographic" is often quite unreliable.
Then you got an argument...albeit a pretty weak one.
Yeah, because people never get influenced by other people, everyone always comes up with these things on their own. They never saw one complaint about forced outcomes before they magically came up with the concept by themselves.
Are you really going to sit there and say people are not influenced by what other people say? That people don't read things and then get unconscious bias after reading something?
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@dcordash1 said in Food for thought:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Food for thought:
I’d also note that eyewitness testimony is quite unreliable. It’s influenced by so much of our inherent biases, like biases that shift blame from one’s own shortcomings to something external.
Oh, brother....I believe you may be putting an argument together based on a single or maybe even a couple eyewitnesses.
Start this out again with - "group-think based on mass-hysteria formulated by the shortcomings of a gaming demographic" is often quite unreliable.
Then you got an argument...albeit a pretty weak one.
More smoke.
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@eatyum said in Food for thought:
@SHOW_TIME_ryan said in Food for thought:
@eatyum said in Food for thought:
This man acting like a lot of people in RL don't get mad about losing. Everyone is a perfect saint who's only motive in posting negative things is to better the game.
Not to mention, this site, reddit, and Twitter don't represent the majority of the game, most people go about playing it without ever posting, so drawing any conclusions based on posts is folly.
The reason so many people claim about the game forcing them to lose is simple, if something is repeated enough, it gets believed. I see a post that claims the game is making that person lose, I remember times I lost, and suddenly I start thinking, wait what if it's not me? Plenty of people want that excuse.
If I tell you to look for Yellow cars, suddenly you'll start seeing yellow cars everywhere because you are aware of it. Even though the amount of Yellow cars didn't actually increase, you just weren't looking for it before.
Same principle applies here. We all know the game isn't perfect and there are flaws, but if someone is looking for the game purposingly making them lose, they will see those flaws as intentional actions, and surmise the game is making them lose.
I’m sorry but when there’s video/photo being shared of the game doing stupid stuff that benefits one opponent over the other, well you can’t sit and say players are just imagining it. It actually happened, it was captured and shared. Funny thing is this topic is brought up multiple times a year, every year. It’s not a coincidence that many players are “imagining” things.
I didn't say they were imagining flaws. Never once did I say that. And no it's not a coincidence people think the game is forcing them to lose, as I said, if something gets repeated enough it gets believed.
I'm saying the flaws are just flaws, and by their nature, they will screw one person over more then the other in any small sample size, such as in a game. Or with flaws do you think they should screw everybody equally in each individual game?
You don’t have to believe anything when you are able to record it, it’s a fact at that point that it happened. Players post bs happening in this game all year, every year.
Why hasn’t SDS been able to fix these “flaws” then?
Good players can overcome those “flaws” by giving the RNG hitting a higher number to work with. These “flaws” are determining games for the average/below average players....surely you can understand their frustration with tha
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@SHOW_TIME_ryan said in Food for thought:
@eatyum said in Food for thought:
@SHOW_TIME_ryan said in Food for thought:
@eatyum said in Food for thought:
This man acting like a lot of people in RL don't get mad about losing. Everyone is a perfect saint who's only motive in posting negative things is to better the game.
Not to mention, this site, reddit, and Twitter don't represent the majority of the game, most people go about playing it without ever posting, so drawing any conclusions based on posts is folly.
The reason so many people claim about the game forcing them to lose is simple, if something is repeated enough, it gets believed. I see a post that claims the game is making that person lose, I remember times I lost, and suddenly I start thinking, wait what if it's not me? Plenty of people want that excuse.
If I tell you to look for Yellow cars, suddenly you'll start seeing yellow cars everywhere because you are aware of it. Even though the amount of Yellow cars didn't actually increase, you just weren't looking for it before.
Same principle applies here. We all know the game isn't perfect and there are flaws, but if someone is looking for the game purposingly making them lose, they will see those flaws as intentional actions, and surmise the game is making them lose.
I’m sorry but when there’s video/photo being shared of the game doing stupid stuff that benefits one opponent over the other, well you can’t sit and say players are just imagining it. It actually happened, it was captured and shared. Funny thing is this topic is brought up multiple times a year, every year. It’s not a coincidence that many players are “imagining” things.
I didn't say they were imagining flaws. Never once did I say that. And no it's not a coincidence people think the game is forcing them to lose, as I said, if something gets repeated enough it gets believed.
I'm saying the flaws are just flaws, and by their nature, they will screw one person over more then the other in any small sample size, such as in a game. Or with flaws do you think they should screw everybody equally in each individual game?
You don’t have to believe anything when you are able to record it, it’s a fact at that point that it happened. Players post bs happening in this game all year, every year.
Why hasn’t SDS been able to fix these “flaws” then.
Good players can overcome those “flaws” by giving the RNG hitting a higher number to work with. These “flaws” are determining games for the average/below average players....surely you can understand their frustration with that.
I understand their frustration, your trying to twist my words here. Yes, people record weird stuff that shouldn't happen, that's not shocking at all, THERE ARE FLAWS IN THE GAME, SO OF COURSE PEOPLE WILL HAVE PICTURES OF SUCH AN OCCURENCE.
That doesn't = the game is forcing them to lose, so again, I ask you "Or with flaws do you think they should screw everybody equally in each individual game?" PLEASE ANSWER THAT.
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@SHOW_TIME_ryan said in Food for thought:
@eatyum said in Food for thought:
@SHOW_TIME_ryan said in Food for thought:
@eatyum said in Food for thought:
This man acting like a lot of people in RL don't get mad about losing. Everyone is a perfect saint who's only motive in posting negative things is to better the game.
Not to mention, this site, reddit, and Twitter don't represent the majority of the game, most people go about playing it without ever posting, so drawing any conclusions based on posts is folly.
The reason so many people claim about the game forcing them to lose is simple, if something is repeated enough, it gets believed. I see a post that claims the game is making that person lose, I remember times I lost, and suddenly I start thinking, wait what if it's not me? Plenty of people want that excuse.
If I tell you to look for Yellow cars, suddenly you'll start seeing yellow cars everywhere because you are aware of it. Even though the amount of Yellow cars didn't actually increase, you just weren't looking for it before.
Same principle applies here. We all know the game isn't perfect and there are flaws, but if someone is looking for the game purposingly making them lose, they will see those flaws as intentional actions, and surmise the game is making them lose.
I’m sorry but when there’s video/photo being shared of the game doing stupid stuff that benefits one opponent over the other, well you can’t sit and say players are just imagining it. It actually happened, it was captured and shared. Funny thing is this topic is brought up multiple times a year, every year. It’s not a coincidence that many players are “imagining” things.
I didn't say they were imagining flaws. Never once did I say that. And no it's not a coincidence people think the game is forcing them to lose, as I said, if something gets repeated enough it gets believed.
I'm saying the flaws are just flaws, and by their nature, they will screw one person over more then the other in any small sample size, such as in a game. Or with flaws do you think they should screw everybody equally in each individual game?
You don’t have to believe anything when you are able to record it, it’s a fact at that point that it happened. Players post bs happening in this game all year, every year.
Why hasn’t SDS been able to fix these “flaws” then.
Good players can overcome those “flaws” by giving the RNG hitting a higher number to work with. These “flaws” are determining games for the average/below average players....surely you can understand their frustration with that.
I can respect this POV. I just can’t respect the OP’s conspiracy.
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@eatyum said in Food for thought:
Are you really going to sit there and say people are not influenced by what other people say? That people don't read things and then get unconscious bias after reading something?
Nope, not gonna say that because that's a solid point. But, ya also gotta look at the potential, and more likely, other-side of that ticket.
People are saying stuff, venting their frustration, because they have a supportive team of many others that share identical stories. More stories and various AI interventions than I can put a number to. They are sick and tired of being bamboozled, flim-flammed, conned and told "you just need to practice". So, they speak out. That is more likely, but what do I know.
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@dcordash1 said in Food for thought:
@eatyum said in Food for thought:
Are you really going to sit there and say people are not influenced by what other people say? That people don't read things and then get unconscious bias after reading something?
Nope, not gonna say that because that's a solid point. But, ya also gotta look at the potential, and more likely, other-side of that ticket.
People are saying stuff, venting their frustration, because they have a supportive team of many others that share identical stories. More stories and various AI interventions than I can put a number to. They are sick and tired of being bamboozled, flim-flammed, conned and told "you just need to practice". So, they speak out. That is more likely, but what do I know.
So again with the Halo theory, everyone is just perfect, they don't get mad about losing, no one does. No one ever rage posts because they are mad. Every post is just an altruistic method of trying to better the game.
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I think this thread calls for another cigar on the deck.
