I don’t want no stubs…
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Stubs are a buy that won’t get no love from me.
Seriously, what has happened that I am no longer just naturally accumulating stubs this year? At least last year if you would just grind BR or most other modes, you’d get multiple sellable silver or gold cards that would go for quite a bit and accumulate lots of stubs. This year my stub total seems to be crawling.
Needless to say, if the strategy is to get us to buy more stubs, I ain’t doing it!
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I’m with you 100% . It also seems flipping is harder this year . If next years game is like this year , I may not play it .
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@chuckuluck_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Stubs are a buy that won’t get no love from me.
Seriously, what has happened that I am no longer just naturally accumulating stubs this year? At least last year if you would just grind BR or most other modes, you’d get multiple sellable silver or gold cards that would go for quite a bit and accumulate lots of stubs. This year my stub total seems to be crawling.
Needless to say, if the strategy is to get us to buy more stubs, I ain’t doing it!
I’d never defend a company for over reliance on microtransactions but they are getting shafted over at Microsoft. They just give the game away for free. They gotta make up that lost revenue somewhere.
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MLB the quick sell 23
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@chuckuluck_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Stubs are a buy that won’t get no love from me.
This is comedic gold. I most heartily approve.
edit: was worried my post would look like rudeness (to the uninitiated) on my part…nothing a little TLC wouldn’t cure tho
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@chuckuluck_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Stubs are a buy that won’t get no love from me.
Seriously, what has happened that I am no longer just naturally accumulating stubs this year? At least last year if you would just grind BR or most other modes, you’d get multiple sellable silver or gold cards that would go for quite a bit and accumulate lots of stubs. This year my stub total seems to be crawling.
Needless to say, if the strategy is to get us to buy more stubs, I ain’t doing it!
There is little doubt in my mind that the goal is to get players to buy more stubs.
- Non Sellable BR Program Rewards
- Non Sellable POTM cards
- Reduced payouts in other modes.
- Showdown now pays out less takes more rounds to break even.
Couple that with the fact that there are more things than ever to spend your stubs on.
- 40K packs twice a week that are nearly guaranteed to lose you stubs
- 50K packs just as likely to end up being a loss
- Keeping 99 overalls more rare thanks to limited time Duo packs and BR program rewards being rarer since only those going 12-0 will get them.
Do you have to spend stubs to enjoy the game? No, not at all, but I don't know how anyone could ever look at these changes and not acknowledge that it is a more aggressive approach to monetization than SDS has ever done before.
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@fubar2k7_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@chuckuluck_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Stubs are a buy that won’t get no love from me.
Seriously, what has happened that I am no longer just naturally accumulating stubs this year? At least last year if you would just grind BR or most other modes, you’d get multiple sellable silver or gold cards that would go for quite a bit and accumulate lots of stubs. This year my stub total seems to be crawling.
Needless to say, if the strategy is to get us to buy more stubs, I ain’t doing it!
I’d never defend a company for over reliance on microtransactions but they are getting shafted over at Microsoft. They just give the game away for free. They gotta make up that lost revenue somewhere.
Gave the game away? Game pass is a subscription. Xbox users pay monthly for the service to ‘rent’ the game. It is not nor has it ever been free. Additionally microsoft pays the developer a lump sum of money up front for the license to put it on game pass. If they were losing money on the deal they wouldn’t have made the deal multiple years in a row. Even Phil Spencer has mentioned multiple times now that he was actually shocked by the amount of people that end up buying game pass games once they leave the rotation. Again game pass does not nor has it ever given away any games for free
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@Dolenz_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@chuckuluck_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Stubs are a buy that won’t get no love from me.
Seriously, what has happened that I am no longer just naturally accumulating stubs this year? At least last year if you would just grind BR or most other modes, you’d get multiple sellable silver or gold cards that would go for quite a bit and accumulate lots of stubs. This year my stub total seems to be crawling.
Needless to say, if the strategy is to get us to buy more stubs, I ain’t doing it!
There is little doubt in my mind that the goal is to get players to buy more stubs.
- Non Sellable BR Program Rewards
- Non Sellable POTM cards
- Reduced payouts in other modes.
- Showdown now pays out less takes more rounds to break even.
Couple that with the fact that there are more things than ever to spend your stubs on.
- 40K packs twice a week that are nearly guaranteed to lose you stubs
- 50K packs just as likely to end up being a loss
- Keeping 99 overalls more rare thanks to limited time Duo packs and BR program rewards being rarer since only those going 12-0 will get them.
Do you have to spend stubs to enjoy the game? No, not at all, but I don't know how anyone could ever look at these changes and not acknowledge that it is a more aggressive approach to monetization than SDS has ever done before.
Hmmm, I've said almost the same exact thing and was told to 'git gud'. One of the reasons I haven't touched BR this program.
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@Dolenz_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Do you have to spend stubs to enjoy the game? No, not at all, but I don't know how anyone could ever look at these changes and not acknowledge that it is a more aggressive approach to monetization than SDS has ever done before.
Yet the white knights of SDS will rip you to shreds for daring to complain about the product. Their two main replies are "get gud" or "at least it's not like EA or 2K"
You can be good at this game (I am not) and find plenty to complain about, and if people take an honest look at what they put out this year, they clearly WANT to be like EA/2K.
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Hey if they make enough money to afford Bonds and Arod then I’m cool with it. However I won’t be buying anymore stubs.
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Yes, these horrible for-profit companies need to be stopped. It is ridiculous that they actually want to turn a profit on something they produce. I can't understand why they don't just release all of the cards for the year on day one and just give them out to everyone.
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@baseball229056_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Yes, these horrible for-profit companies need to be stopped. It is ridiculous that they actually want to turn a profit on something they produce. I can't understand why they don't just release all of the cards for the year on day one and just give them out to everyone.
C’mon man, you’re better than this. No one is attacking capitalism here and we ain’t falling for it. Go to Reddit or twitter for that will ya? There are many good, informed opinions on this forum and, excluding mine and your previous posts, there is an actual intelligent point being argued.
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@BxnnyMxn__PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@baseball229056_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Yes, these horrible for-profit companies need to be stopped. It is ridiculous that they actually want to turn a profit on something they produce. I can't understand why they don't just release all of the cards for the year on day one and just give them out to everyone.
C’mon man, you’re better than this. No one is attacking capitalism here and we ain’t falling for it. Go to Reddit or twitter for that will ya? There are many good, informed opinions on this forum and, excluding mine and your previous posts, there is an actual intelligent point being argued.
Where exactly is the intelligent point in constantly whining about a company that is doing what it can to increase profitability?
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@urbanphilosophy_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@fubar2k7_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@chuckuluck_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Stubs are a buy that won’t get no love from me.
Seriously, what has happened that I am no longer just naturally accumulating stubs this year? At least last year if you would just grind BR or most other modes, you’d get multiple sellable silver or gold cards that would go for quite a bit and accumulate lots of stubs. This year my stub total seems to be crawling.
Needless to say, if the strategy is to get us to buy more stubs, I ain’t doing it!
I’d never defend a company for over reliance on microtransactions but they are getting shafted over at Microsoft. They just give the game away for free. They gotta make up that lost revenue somewhere.
Gave the game away? Game pass is a subscription. Xbox users pay monthly for the service to ‘rent’ the game. It is not nor has it ever been free. Additionally microsoft pays the developer a lump sum of money up front for the license to put it on game pass. If they were losing money on the deal they wouldn’t have made the deal multiple years in a row. Even Phil Spencer has mentioned multiple times now that he was actually shocked by the amount of people that end up buying game pass games once they leave the rotation. Again game pass does not nor has it ever given away any games for free
If you think the lump sum they paid equals the amount they can get per copy at $100 per game then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you. From what I understand they pay $2.5 million to developers which is 25,000 copies of their $100 version or slightly less than 36,000 of their $70 version.
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It's hard to believe that '21 was only two years ago. That was most 'play and get rewarded' in the entire series. They may have gone overboard to lure in new xbox players, I dunno. I do know that game was infinitely more fun than MLB The Skint 23.
I've been fully aware of the hard turn toward monetization from the go this year, but yesterday's Yordan Alvarez 99 release really bugged me. Yet another card that I can't earn that I would like to have. But I'm not buying god-awful Duo packs, and last I checked he was north of 150k.
On the bright side, I'll be able to afford him if I do the next 600 Weekly Wonders programs.
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@baseball229056_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Yes, these horrible for-profit companies need to be stopped. It is ridiculous that they actually want to turn a profit on something they produce. I can't understand why they don't just release all of the cards for the year on day one and just give them out to everyone.
That is an oversimplification of the argument.
I have not seen anyone say that they are against SDS or Sony making a profit. I have not even seen anyone say that the ability to buy stubs is bad. Nor have I seen anyone say that they expect the cards to be free.
We are simply stating a fact that SDS is being more aggressive on the monetization front this year by reducing the amount of stubs you earn simply by playing and doing the content. I am not sure how anyone can deny that is happening.
For those who play a lot of hours or spend time flipping cards it may not be that big of a deal. For those of us who play fewer hours the squeeze is more noticeable. It's a fine line that companies need to walk between trying to entice people to spend extra money while not making progression so slow that those who are not interested in buying stubs simply give up and stop playing.
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Definately a little more difficult to flip, mainly because it can be time consuming. Also, getting to the sellable bosses and selling at the peak price seems to be a plus, and sticking to a plan you want to go with. Hard to work all programs to accumulate players to knock out all the sets. Maybe stockpiling golds and hoping they go diamond will work out...
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@Dolenz_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@baseball229056_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Yes, these horrible for-profit companies need to be stopped. It is ridiculous that they actually want to turn a profit on something they produce. I can't understand why they don't just release all of the cards for the year on day one and just give them out to everyone.
That is an oversimplification of the argument.
I have not seen anyone say that they are against SDS or Sony making a profit. I have not even seen anyone say that the ability to buy stubs is bad. Nor have I seen anyone say that they expect the cards to be free.
We are simply stating a fact that SDS is being more aggressive on the monetization front this year by reducing the amount of stubs you earn simply by playing and doing the content. I am not sure how anyone can deny that is happening.
For those who play a lot of hours or spend time flipping cards it may not be that big of a deal. For those of us who play fewer hours the squeeze is more noticeable. It's a fine line that companies need to walk between trying to entice people to spend extra money while not making progression so slow that those who are not interested in buying stubs simply give up and stop playing.
That’s exactly why the numerous posts each year about this topic are so silly. This is pretty standard practice. A company has a product and will test things out to see how they can increase profitability especially as that product ages. At the end of the game cycle SDS will analyze everything, They will look at revenue, they will look at profitability, they will look for trends. If things are moving in the right direction they may push the envelope more next year. If the market pushes back they may reverse. The really silly part is nobody on the forums has really any idea what the revenue looks like, has never seen any kind of profit and loss statement from sds. Has no idea of any internal communications between sds and Sony about financial expectations. The general theme of most of the posts are I can’t get the card I want for free so sds is greedy.
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@baseball229056_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
That’s exactly why the numerous posts each year about this topic are so silly. This is pretty standard practice. A company has a product and will test things out to see how they can increase profitability especially as that product ages.
But, on the flip side I see no reason to sit quietly and not speak up about it either. While I am not naïve and realize that the their profits will drive their decisions more than a random post on a forum, I also don't see why people should not post their opinion on the subject. If it is the reason people quit playing then they should have the right to say so.
The reduced stub payouts and increase in both the quantity and cost of the good cards, coupled with their limited lifespan makes me worried about my ability to keep up with even my modest goal of collecting all the desirable cards from the Cardinals.
If my theme team is wrecked come July 7th (season 3) and I am faced with needing to spend hundreds of thousands more stubs to get back to where it already was then I will most likely be done at that point and I may well point out that fact here when that happens.
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@baseball229056_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@Dolenz_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@baseball229056_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Yes, these horrible for-profit companies need to be stopped. It is ridiculous that they actually want to turn a profit on something they produce. I can't understand why they don't just release all of the cards for the year on day one and just give them out to everyone.
That is an oversimplification of the argument.
I have not seen anyone say that they are against SDS or Sony making a profit. I have not even seen anyone say that the ability to buy stubs is bad. Nor have I seen anyone say that they expect the cards to be free.
The general theme of most of the posts are I can’t get the card I want for free so sds is greedy.
You are correct, sir. Should you ever come across such a post, you would certainly not find my overfed self in such discussions.
I feel like you sort of ‘answered your own question’ so to speak and you gave an excellent response. I believe a key part of the whole “let’s overreach” phase…possibly the key metric even….is the “hey, you went TOO far, mugsy” portion of the discussion.
I have a beautiful Frankenstein analogy I’d love to drop in right here but by the time it took me the hour to type the 8 sentence response, I truly fear I’ll have forgotten the topic, nor would anyone read it.
Summation: like my brotato chip said….oversimplification of the topic at hand.
PS I’m just going to say what I believe a lot of people just MAY be thinking….this is all beginning to coalesce imho. Maybe just maybe upon coalescing, something may take root….of the GRASS variety…
