Toxic players
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I think the point is, if your opponent is holding R2 to slow down your pitching pace, and you continue to deliver as fast as you can, you are in fact the one being toxic.
If I face an opponent like this, obviously I make the adjustment, in the same way that I do when an opponent continues to take an extra step lead off first.
Does the game allow that? Yes. Does that mean you should do it?
Absolutely not. But then, as pointed out, if you want to play like a db, go ahead. It’s on you.
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@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in Toxic players:
Maybe I’m alone on this, but, I don’t care about my ranked record, for BR I’m always grinding the program, not going for 12-0, and Events? Who cares about wins or losses really?
I just quit if someone is super toxic, I don’t care enough to put up with it anymore. Let ‘em have that win that moves them up the ranks to inevitably get smoked by someone.
Just move on with your day and don’t waste time or energy on these people. You’re more likely to match up with someone who, like yourself, just wants a good game.
I have to admit it's been hard for me to learn that lesson, because I struggle against most players, but to have a rare moment where I know I am better than the other guy and him to be rewarded with a glitch for a win is super annoying to me.
I don't gripe about it any longer but wish they could banish all the bunt/steal cheesers and the dashboarders into their own little toxic division where they all suffer from their own play style and allows normal humans to play the game as it should be.
Sadly, SDS seems to be headed into an awful mix of EA Sports and Triple Play baseball, so I don't expect to be buying anything new for a long time.
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@dewrock_PSN said in Toxic players:
@theBlindRhino said in Toxic players:
@dewrock_PSN said in Toxic players:
@theBlindRhino said in Toxic players:
I hold R2 all day if my opponent is quick pitching like a spaz. If someone is doing this to you start pacing your pitches. If your opponent continues to hold the problem is on him.
I've yet to understand this argument. First, you can't quick pitch in a video game. 2nd, it's a video game. How much time do you need between pitches? If the game allows a pitch to be thrown, why aren't you ready for it?
Hitting R2 every so often to see the pitch arsenal or to see where a pitch was just thrown is one thing. Holding it every time your opponent goes to pitch is just douchey and it borders on attempting to mess up the process of the opponent making the pitch because holding the button causes the pitch to not lock in.
Also, I still don't get the people that pause the game after batter or every couple of pitches. Just play the game. You're most likely going to beat me anyway (I'm not very good online), there's no need for shenanigans.
Part of baseball is disrupting timing. If your timing is repetitive I intend to disrupt it.
Huh? It's a video game. We're not really doing any of this (pitching, batting). There's not timing to disrupt. If you're holding a button to try and mess with the game's process of choosing, locating and throwing a pitch, that's just messed up.
i agree completely with you mate
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@theBlindRhino said in Toxic players:
@dewrock_PSN said in Toxic players:
@theBlindRhino said in Toxic players:
I hold R2 all day if my opponent is quick pitching like a spaz. If someone is doing this to you start pacing your pitches. If your opponent continues to hold the problem is on him.
I've yet to understand this argument. First, you can't quick pitch in a video game. 2nd, it's a video game. How much time do you need between pitches? If the game allows a pitch to be thrown, why aren't you ready for it?
Hitting R2 every so often to see the pitch arsenal or to see where a pitch was just thrown is one thing. Holding it every time your opponent goes to pitch is just douchey and it borders on attempting to mess up the process of the opponent making the pitch because holding the button causes the pitch to not lock in.
Also, I still don't get the people that pause the game after batter or every couple of pitches. Just play the game. You're most likely going to beat me anyway (I'm not very good online), there's no need for shenanigans.
Part of baseball is disrupting timing. If your timing is repetitive I intend to disrupt it.
“Time disruptor” should be a stat category.
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@halfbutt_PSN said in Toxic players:
I think the point is, if your opponent is holding R2 to slow down your pitching pace, and you continue to deliver as fast as you can, you are in fact the one being toxic.
If I face an opponent like this, obviously I make the adjustment, in the same way that I do when an opponent continues to take an extra step lead off first.
Does the game allow that? Yes. Does that mean you should do it?
Absolutely not. But then, as pointed out, if you want to play like a db, go ahead. It’s on you.
i agree, its not just R2, its all the other nonsense. pausing til it is at 10 seconds, backing out the box every other pitch, bunt cheesing, etc. Toxic. I don't even mind the R2 as much as the rest.
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@theBlindRhino said in Toxic players:
@dewrock_PSN said in Toxic players:
@theBlindRhino said in Toxic players:
@dewrock_PSN said in Toxic players:
@theBlindRhino said in Toxic players:
I hold R2 all day if my opponent is quick pitching like a spaz. If someone is doing this to you start pacing your pitches. If your opponent continues to hold the problem is on him.
I've yet to understand this argument. First, you can't quick pitch in a video game. 2nd, it's a video game. How much time do you need between pitches? If the game allows a pitch to be thrown, why aren't you ready for it?
Hitting R2 every so often to see the pitch arsenal or to see where a pitch was just thrown is one thing. Holding it every time your opponent goes to pitch is just douchey and it borders on attempting to mess up the process of the opponent making the pitch because holding the button causes the pitch to not lock in.
Also, I still don't get the people that pause the game after batter or every couple of pitches. Just play the game. You're most likely going to beat me anyway (I'm not very good online), there's no need for shenanigans.
Part of baseball is disrupting timing. If your timing is repetitive I intend to disrupt it.
Huh? It's a video game. We're not really doing any of this (pitching, batting). There's not timing to disrupt. If you're holding a button to try and mess with the game's process of choosing, locating and throwing a pitch, that's just messed up.
Okay I am not going to argue with an idiot.
Fantastic argument
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@halfbutt_PSN said in Toxic players:
I think the point is, if your opponent is holding R2 to slow down your pitching pace, and you continue to deliver as fast as you can, you are in fact the one being toxic.
If I face an opponent like this, obviously I make the adjustment, in the same way that I do when an opponent continues to take an extra step lead off first.
Does the game allow that? Yes. Does that mean you should do it?
Absolutely not. But then, as pointed out, if you want to play like a db, go ahead. It’s on you.
The game establishes when a pitch can be thrown. If the opponent isn’t ready to hit, that would seem to be on them. Again, what are these people needing to do in between pitches that causes them to not be ready?
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I quit DD more because of the horrible created stadiums then the clown town players.
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@dewrock_PSN said in Toxic players:
@halfbutt_PSN said in Toxic players:
I think the point is, if your opponent is holding R2 to slow down your pitching pace, and you continue to deliver as fast as you can, you are in fact the one being toxic.
If I face an opponent like this, obviously I make the adjustment, in the same way that I do when an opponent continues to take an extra step lead off first.
Does the game allow that? Yes. Does that mean you should do it?
Absolutely not. But then, as pointed out, if you want to play like a db, go ahead. It’s on you.
The game establishes when a pitch can be thrown. If the opponent isn’t ready to hit, that would seem to be on them. Again, what are these people needing to do in between pitches that causes them to not be ready?
Lots of things. How hard is it to pitch only 85% as fast as you can?
For example, suppose I work a leadoff walk with Edgar in a close game late. I might want to go to the bench for a pinch runner.
The way the game is now, a player like you can prevent me from doing that and/or force me into a disadvantage count before I am able.
Your entire argument is based on not respecting your opponent, which is kinda poor sportsmanship IMO.
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@dewrock_PSN said in Toxic players:
@halfbutt_PSN said in Toxic players:
I think the point is, if your opponent is holding R2 to slow down your pitching pace, and you continue to deliver as fast as you can, you are in fact the one being toxic.
If I face an opponent like this, obviously I make the adjustment, in the same way that I do when an opponent continues to take an extra step lead off first.
Does the game allow that? Yes. Does that mean you should do it?
Absolutely not. But then, as pointed out, if you want to play like a db, go ahead. It’s on you.
The game establishes when a pitch can be thrown. If the opponent isn’t ready to hit, that would seem to be on them. Again, what are these people needing to do in between pitches that causes them to not be ready?
absolutely mate - you are right - one of the guys replied to you saying to pitch at "85% of the speed allowed" lol
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i agree its the worst to face players like this that have to resort to the so called "bunt dancing" Examples SDS should take into consideration is:
- Allow just one bunt attempt per batter, therefore no "bunt dancing" will take place
- If they can't do that then "penalize that player" for excessing the button which the cpu will input that they were using "toxic play" as an advantage
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@TheHungryHole said in Toxic players:
@dewrock_PSN said in Toxic players:
@halfbutt_PSN said in Toxic players:
I think the point is, if your opponent is holding R2 to slow down your pitching pace, and you continue to deliver as fast as you can, you are in fact the one being toxic.
If I face an opponent like this, obviously I make the adjustment, in the same way that I do when an opponent continues to take an extra step lead off first.
Does the game allow that? Yes. Does that mean you should do it?
Absolutely not. But then, as pointed out, if you want to play like a db, go ahead. It’s on you.
The game establishes when a pitch can be thrown. If the opponent isn’t ready to hit, that would seem to be on them. Again, what are these people needing to do in between pitches that causes them to not be ready?
absolutely mate - you are right - one of the guys replied to you saying to pitch at "85% of the speed allowed" lol
While I think complaining about “quick pitching” is extremely overblown I do agree that some guys are just dbags and spam the pitch button so you can’t pinch hit/run. That can be frustrating but usually I can call time and pause before they do it again
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Ideally, you can get to the pause menu in an 0-0 count, but it is not a given, especially when your opponent is pitching as fast as they can. I won’t say “quick pitching” because this seems to trigger some of y’all, but this can prevent getting to the pause menu.
I recently played a game where my opponent was able to prevent me from pinch running for an entire inning.
Obviously, this is not the norm, but if my opponent took literally one or two seconds before pitching occasionally, this would be impossible.
Every online game has two players. IMO, the games work best when both keep the douchebaggery to a minimum.
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@halfbutt_PSN said in Toxic players:
@dewrock_PSN said in Toxic players:
@halfbutt_PSN said in Toxic players:
I think the point is, if your opponent is holding R2 to slow down your pitching pace, and you continue to deliver as fast as you can, you are in fact the one being toxic.
If I face an opponent like this, obviously I make the adjustment, in the same way that I do when an opponent continues to take an extra step lead off first.
Does the game allow that? Yes. Does that mean you should do it?
Absolutely not. But then, as pointed out, if you want to play like a db, go ahead. It’s on you.
The game establishes when a pitch can be thrown. If the opponent isn’t ready to hit, that would seem to be on them. Again, what are these people needing to do in between pitches that causes them to not be ready?
Lots of things. How hard is it to pitch only 85% as fast as you can?
For example, suppose I work a leadoff walk with Edgar in a close game late. I might want to go to the bench for a pinch runner.
The way the game is now, a player like you can prevent me from doing that and/or force me into a disadvantage count before I am able.
Your entire argument is based on not respecting your opponent, which is kinda poor sportsmanship IMO.
Again, you can only pitch as quickly as the game allows. If you can’t manage to hit up arrow before that, again that seems to be your problem. The people you’re complaining about are doing nothing but playing the game within the constraints of the programming. Meanwhile you’re spamming R2 for no real reason. I don’t even mean that it should never be hit, of course it should. But certain people that hit it incessantly between every pitch, are a problem.
Bottom line, you guys agree to play someone online and then spam a button to stop the pace of play because your opponent doesn’t dilly dally enough for you. But we’re the poor sports who don’t respect the opponent.
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@dewrock_PSN said in Toxic players:
@halfbutt_PSN said in Toxic players:
@dewrock_PSN said in Toxic players:
@halfbutt_PSN said in Toxic players:
I think the point is, if your opponent is holding R2 to slow down your pitching pace, and you continue to deliver as fast as you can, you are in fact the one being toxic.
If I face an opponent like this, obviously I make the adjustment, in the same way that I do when an opponent continues to take an extra step lead off first.
Does the game allow that? Yes. Does that mean you should do it?
Absolutely not. But then, as pointed out, if you want to play like a db, go ahead. It’s on you.
The game establishes when a pitch can be thrown. If the opponent isn’t ready to hit, that would seem to be on them. Again, what are these people needing to do in between pitches that causes them to not be ready?
Lots of things. How hard is it to pitch only 85% as fast as you can?
For example, suppose I work a leadoff walk with Edgar in a close game late. I might want to go to the bench for a pinch runner.
The way the game is now, a player like you can prevent me from doing that and/or force me into a disadvantage count before I am able.
Your entire argument is based on not respecting your opponent, which is kinda poor sportsmanship IMO.
Again, you can only pitch as quickly as the game allows. If you can’t manage to hit up arrow before that, again that seems to be your problem. The people you’re complaining about are doing nothing but playing the game within the constraints of the programming. Meanwhile you’re spamming R2 for no real reason. I don’t even mean that it should never be hit, of course it should. But certain people that hit it incessantly between every pitch, are a problem.
Bottom line, you guys agree to play someone online and then spam a button to stop the pace of play because your opponent doesn’t dilly dally enough for you. But we’re the poor sports who don’t respect the opponent.
I never said I was spamming R2. I said I was unable to pause for an entire inning because of my opponent pitching. I’m sure a poor connection played a role. For the record, I was winning 2-0 and no-hitting him through 8.2.
This argument is kind of like an online game. It works better for everyone if a modicum of consideration for the other guy is exercised.
And yes, if you don’t allow your opponent enough time to enter the pause menu, then you are being a poor sport IMO.
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@dewrock_PSN said in Toxic players:
@halfbutt_PSN said in Toxic players:
@dewrock_PSN said in Toxic players:
@halfbutt_PSN said in Toxic players:
I think the point is, if your opponent is holding R2 to slow down your pitching pace, and you continue to deliver as fast as you can, you are in fact the one being toxic.
If I face an opponent like this, obviously I make the adjustment, in the same way that I do when an opponent continues to take an extra step lead off first.
Does the game allow that? Yes. Does that mean you should do it?
Absolutely not. But then, as pointed out, if you want to play like a db, go ahead. It’s on you.
The game establishes when a pitch can be thrown. If the opponent isn’t ready to hit, that would seem to be on them. Again, what are these people needing to do in between pitches that causes them to not be ready?
Lots of things. How hard is it to pitch only 85% as fast as you can?
For example, suppose I work a leadoff walk with Edgar in a close game late. I might want to go to the bench for a pinch runner.
The way the game is now, a player like you can prevent me from doing that and/or force me into a disadvantage count before I am able.
Your entire argument is based on not respecting your opponent, which is kinda poor sportsmanship IMO.
Again, you can only pitch as quickly as the game allows. If you can’t manage to hit up arrow before that, again that seems to be your problem. The people you’re complaining about are doing nothing but playing the game within the constraints of the programming. Meanwhile you’re spamming R2 for no real reason. I don’t even mean that it should never be hit, of course it should. But certain people that hit it incessantly between every pitch, are a problem.
Bottom line, you guys agree to play someone online and then spam a button to stop the pace of play because your opponent doesn’t dilly dally enough for you. But we’re the poor sports who don’t respect the opponent.
I don’t have anything to say about the rest but you are definitely wrong about having time to press up. There are times I’ve played toxic people and knew they were going to try and stop me from pinch hitting so I would start spamming up on the d pad super early and just spamming it but if they hit their pitch fast enough the game doesn’t give you a chance. It’s a rare occasion with the rare super epic he but it does happen
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@theBlindRhino said in Toxic players:
I hold R2 all day if my opponent is quick pitching like a spaz. If someone is doing this to you start pacing your pitches. If your opponent continues to hold the problem is on him.
Question here: How do you define, “quick pitching,” and what do you think the intent behind your opponent doing that is?
Might sound like a dumb question, but there are times that I think my opponent has used R2 to, “slow me down,” however, my pace isn’t done to try and trick or limit my opponent. Instead, I just work fast. I know what I want to pitch, where I want to pitch it, and go. Why wait?
Obviously, in the game I don’t need to look in and get signs from a catcher, go to a rosin bag, etc. Therefore it’s going to be a quicker pace, right?
Is this what you are referring to or something different?
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@QuakesSJQT_PSN said in Toxic players:
@theBlindRhino said in Toxic players:
I hold R2 all day if my opponent is quick pitching like a spaz. If someone is doing this to you start pacing your pitches. If your opponent continues to hold the problem is on him.
Question here: How do you define, “quick pitching,” and what do you think the intent behind your opponent doing that is?
Might sound like a dumb question, but there are times that I think my opponent has used R2 to, “slow me down,” however, my pace isn’t done to try and trick or limit my opponent. Instead, I just work fast. I know what I want to pitch, where I want to pitch it, and go. Why wait?
Obviously, in the game I don’t need to look in and get signs from a catcher, go to a rosin bag, etc. Therefore it’s going to be a quicker pace, right?
Is this what you are referring to or something different?
Exactly my point. If the game is ready for you to pitch, then the opponent should be ready as well. I'm not pitching "fast", as some guys like to whine about, because I'm trying to screw them over and keep them from doing something. I'm just not trying to take forever to play a video game.
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@mjfc_363_PSN said in Toxic players:
Just quit if you don’t like what your opponent is doing. I do! I mean, SDS has this game so f’d up, what does a loss really mean anyway?? I started a game last night against a guy who consistently pressed R2 at the same moment each batter. He would then step out. He would then call time. He would then hit pause. Dude wasn’t that good. It was clear he was doing all of this to F with my pitcher mechanism timing. So I quit and I was winning 1-0.
I play this game to enjoy myself and relax….not to put up with this silly nonsense.Rewarding bad behavior reinforces bad behavior. If you want to quit, that's fine, but all you did was encourage your opponent to pull the same nonsense in their next game since it worked. In my experience, the best way to stop an opponent from acting like a fool is to beat them senseless. They usually either stop and focus on the game once they realize they can't get under your skin, or they quit which allows me to match up with someone who isn't 8 years old.
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@QuakesSJQT_PSN said in Toxic players:
@theBlindRhino said in Toxic players:
I hold R2 all day if my opponent is quick pitching like a spaz. If someone is doing this to you start pacing your pitches. If your opponent continues to hold the problem is on him.
Question here: How do you define, “quick pitching,” and what do you think the intent behind your opponent doing that is?
Might sound like a dumb question, but there are times that I think my opponent has used R2 to, “slow me down,” however, my pace isn’t done to try and trick or limit my opponent. Instead, I just work fast. I know what I want to pitch, where I want to pitch it, and go. Why wait?
Obviously, in the game I don’t need to look in and get signs from a catcher, go to a rosin bag, etc. Therefore it’s going to be a quicker pace, right?
Is this what you are referring to or something different?
If you get the ball and throw it without ever coming set. If I can time when you are about to start the pinpoint process I'll tap the R2 button to try to mess up your timing. If I am needing a moment to guess where your next pitch will be I will hold the R2 for the time limit. Most of the time I don't press it at all because a lot of players vary their delivery. I don't condone bunt dancing or bunting every at bat or pausing constantly. But if someone is spamming the pitch button I have no qualms with using R2, and if my opponent does it to me, I take it as a sign to slow down a bit.
