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I know this topic gets brought up over and over again...but I have to admit I'm a little concerned about the legends for 2023. I feel like last year they teased us with a slew of new legends (which was pretty cool)....and it seems like this year more than half of them are gone.
Has SDS came out and given a legit, real explanation as to why they are losing players rights and why they can't acquire certain players? Is it possible that some of these legends we all have been dying for simply have no idea that they aren't in the game? Is SDS doing their best to get as many in the game as possible?
Who are we kidding, were all going to buy the game regardless....but I'd have to say my biggest disappointment in this game this year is the recycling of legend cards and especially the introduction of retro finest.
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SDS does not have an unlimited budget, so they have to pick and choose who gets added and who gets dropped. That budget has increased (especially with the switch/Xbox money), but it’s still not infinity.
Certain players are more than likely to be one and done (looking at YOU, Justin Morneau), but I imagine a lot depends on usage. If a legend isn’t ever getting any usage by the community, there’s a good chance he’ll be shown the virtual door to make way for someone new.
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@jonblaze2424_PSN said in Players Rights:
I know this topic gets brought up over and over again...but I have to admit I'm a little concerned about the legends for 2023. I feel like last year they teased us with a slew of new legends (which was pretty cool)....and it seems like this year more than half of them are gone.
Has SDS came out and given a legit, real explanation as to why they are losing players rights and why they can't acquire certain players? Is it possible that some of these legends we all have been dying for simply have no idea that they aren't in the game? Is SDS doing their best to get as many in the game as possible?
Who are we kidding, were all going to buy the game regardless....but I'd have to say my biggest disappointment in this game this year is the recycling of legend cards and especially the introduction of retro finest.
Someone produced a list at the beginning of the year of all new or returning legends and all legends that were no longer in the game this year and in my opinion the new far outweighed the old. To my knowledge the biggest names we lost were guys like George Foster and Fred McGriff. We gained Randy Johnson, Roy Halladay, Mussina etc.
To be honest, I haven't really noticed any of the absent players from last year other than the two who were removed mid year last year Puckett and Alomar.
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@SaveFarris_PSN said in Players Rights:
SDS does not have an unlimited budget, so they have to pick and choose who gets added and who gets dropped. That budget has increased (especially with the switch/Xbox money), but it’s still not infinity.
Certain players are more than likely to be one and done (looking at YOU, Justin Morneau), but I imagine a lot depends on usage. If a legend isn’t ever getting any usage by the community, there’s a good chance he’ll be shown the virtual door to make way for someone new.
I'm actually not sure that more than a couple of this years new ones are one and done. The HRDX guys are the most likely 1 and done because I'm honestly not sure if thats just a one time deal for the real life event. I was Certain Brandon Webb and Huston Street were going to be one and done and they weren't. There were only 4 last year(Puckett, Bell, Tanana, Hampton)
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@Ericulous1_PSN said in Players Rights:
@jonblaze2424_PSN said in Players Rights:
I know this topic gets brought up over and over again...but I have to admit I'm a little concerned about the legends for 2023. I feel like last year they teased us with a slew of new legends (which was pretty cool)....and it seems like this year more than half of them are gone.
Has SDS came out and given a legit, real explanation as to why they are losing players rights and why they can't acquire certain players? Is it possible that some of these legends we all have been dying for simply have no idea that they aren't in the game? Is SDS doing their best to get as many in the game as possible?
Who are we kidding, were all going to buy the game regardless....but I'd have to say my biggest disappointment in this game this year is the recycling of legend cards and especially the introduction of retro finest.
Someone produced a list at the beginning of the year of all new or returning legends and all legends that were no longer in the game this year and in my opinion the new far outweighed the old. To my knowledge the biggest names we lost were guys like George Foster and Fred McGriff. We gained Randy Johnson, Roy Halladay, Mussina etc.
To be honest, I haven't really noticed any of the absent players from last year other than the two who were removed mid year last year Puckett and Alomar.
Ted Williams is offended at your remark sir.
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@tmichae10_PSN said in Players Rights:
@Ericulous1_PSN said in Players Rights:
@jonblaze2424_PSN said in Players Rights:
I know this topic gets brought up over and over again...but I have to admit I'm a little concerned about the legends for 2023. I feel like last year they teased us with a slew of new legends (which was pretty cool)....and it seems like this year more than half of them are gone.
Has SDS came out and given a legit, real explanation as to why they are losing players rights and why they can't acquire certain players? Is it possible that some of these legends we all have been dying for simply have no idea that they aren't in the game? Is SDS doing their best to get as many in the game as possible?
Who are we kidding, were all going to buy the game regardless....but I'd have to say my biggest disappointment in this game this year is the recycling of legend cards and especially the introduction of retro finest.
Someone produced a list at the beginning of the year of all new or returning legends and all legends that were no longer in the game this year and in my opinion the new far outweighed the old. To my knowledge the biggest names we lost were guys like George Foster and Fred McGriff. We gained Randy Johnson, Roy Halladay, Mussina etc.
To be honest, I haven't really noticed any of the absent players from last year other than the two who were removed mid year last year Puckett and Alomar.
Ted Williams is offended at your remark sir.
He wasn’t in last year either. He was removed after 20 along with Cobb and Hornsby
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@tmichae10_PSN said in Players Rights:
@Ericulous1_PSN said in Players Rights:
@jonblaze2424_PSN said in Players Rights:
I know this topic gets brought up over and over again...but I have to admit I'm a little concerned about the legends for 2023. I feel like last year they teased us with a slew of new legends (which was pretty cool)....and it seems like this year more than half of them are gone.
Has SDS came out and given a legit, real explanation as to why they are losing players rights and why they can't acquire certain players? Is it possible that some of these legends we all have been dying for simply have no idea that they aren't in the game? Is SDS doing their best to get as many in the game as possible?
Who are we kidding, were all going to buy the game regardless....but I'd have to say my biggest disappointment in this game this year is the recycling of legend cards and especially the introduction of retro finest.
Someone produced a list at the beginning of the year of all new or returning legends and all legends that were no longer in the game this year and in my opinion the new far outweighed the old. To my knowledge the biggest names we lost were guys like George Foster and Fred McGriff. We gained Randy Johnson, Roy Halladay, Mussina etc.
To be honest, I haven't really noticed any of the absent players from last year other than the two who were removed mid year last year Puckett and Alomar.
Ted Williams is offended at your remark sir.
Oh man, if Hornsby or Teddy Ballgame were in the game and then left I'd be bereft. But alas I started in 21 and never knew such cards. Cobb would be a ton of fun too but Hornsby being a Cardinals great and Teddy being a local San Diego boy would be really cool.
But from 21 to 22 I can't think of any HOFers who left (I guess Puckett and Alomar but they were erased mid year last year).
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There is also an element that some player will say no, no matter what amount is thrown at them.
Bonds would be the prime example of this he does not license his likeness to anything.
There is also a likely hood that other ask for way to much and SDS doesn't see the value in giving that kind of money for that player when it could be use on another that would be a bigger draw
I think SDS does a pretty good job on getting legends for the most part, could they get more sure but with how many people brag about being NMS they can only do so much
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@CDNmoneymaker93_MLBTS said in Players Rights:
There is also an element that some player will say no, no matter what amount is thrown at them.
Bonds would be the prime example of this he does not license his likeness to anything.
There is also a likely hood that other ask for way to much and SDS doesn't see the value in giving that kind of money for that player when it could be use on another that would be a bigger draw
I think SDS does a pretty good job on getting legends for the most part, could they get more sure but with how many people brag about being NMS they can only do so much
I'm just sad no Scott Rolen with it being Pujols last year. Can't get the mv3 together
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@eatyum_PSN said in Players Rights:
@CDNmoneymaker93_MLBTS said in Players Rights:
There is also an element that some player will say no, no matter what amount is thrown at them.
Bonds would be the prime example of this he does not license his likeness to anything.
There is also a likely hood that other ask for way to much and SDS doesn't see the value in giving that kind of money for that player when it could be use on another that would be a bigger draw
I think SDS does a pretty good job on getting legends for the most part, could they get more sure but with how many people brag about being NMS they can only do so much
I'm just sad no Scott Rolen with it being Pujols last year. Can't get the mv3 together
At this point I'll just be happy to get top level Arenado and Goldschmidt cards. But I do admit that MV2 just does not have the same ring.
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@eatyum_PSN said in Players Rights:
@CDNmoneymaker93_MLBTS said in Players Rights:
There is also an element that some player will say no, no matter what amount is thrown at them.
Bonds would be the prime example of this he does not license his likeness to anything.
There is also a likely hood that other ask for way to much and SDS doesn't see the value in giving that kind of money for that player when it could be use on another that would be a bigger draw
I think SDS does a pretty good job on getting legends for the most part, could they get more sure but with how many people brag about being NMS they can only do so much
I'm just sad no Scott Rolen with it being Pujols last year. Can't get the mv3 together
Right???? Especially with the level of Cards (pun intended) that Jimmy and Pujols just got. At least we can throw a cool Lou Brock in the mix tomorrow. But I miss that MV3!!!!!
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@SaveFarris_PSN said in Players Rights:
SDS does not have an unlimited budget, so they have to pick and choose who gets added and who gets dropped. That budget has increased (especially with the switch/Xbox money), but it’s still not infinity.
Certain players are more than likely to be one and done (looking at YOU, Justin Morneau), but I imagine a lot depends on usage. If a legend isn’t ever getting any usage by the community, there’s a good chance he’ll be shown the virtual door to make way for someone new.
As a Twins fan, I am wondering why you said that about Morneau. Did something happen that I didn't hear about?
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@roosr_NSW said in Players Rights:
I’m surprised they don’t have a blanket agreement with the HoF for all of those players.
I think this is where madden differs because they can include any of the past players it seems
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@rickchic_PSN said in Players Rights:
As a Twins fan, I am wondering why you said that about Morneau. Did something happen that I didn't hear about?
Outside the top 1000 MLB Career WAR
Barely hanging on Top 25 Career WAR for Twins (till Buxton gets there)
Received 1.3% in his only appearance on HOF Ballot
Lefty 1B are a dime a dozen in the annals of MLB HistoryDon't get me wrong, he had a career most would envy. And I'm eternally grateful he stole an MVP from Jeter. But is he selling any units outside the immediate Morneau household (which is what SDS cares most about)? Probably not.
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@roosr_NSW said in Players Rights:
I’m surprised they don’t have a blanket agreement with the HoF for all of those players.
They do, and the players alumni association.
The loading screen before the game starts says as much.
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@roosr_NSW said in Players Rights:
I’m surprised they don’t have a blanket agreement with the HoF for all of those players.
I don't think players being inducted into the HOF gives the HOF any rights as far as licensing their likenesses the way the MLBPA does for current players.
And let's be clear that is the hurdle here. Look at a game like Out Of The Park baseball and their Perfect Team mode. They have many more legends in their games. How can they pull that off? Only their live series cards have actual pictures of the players (thanks to the MLBPA agreement) for all legend and flashback cards they use generic cards with no pictures of the players.
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@Dolenz_PSN said in Players Rights:
@roosr_NSW said in Players Rights:
I’m surprised they don’t have a blanket agreement with the HoF for all of those players.
I don't think players being inducted into the HOF gives the HOF any rights as far as licensing their likenesses the way the MLBPA does for current players.
And let's be clear that is the hurdle here. Look at a game like Out Of The Park baseball and their Perfect Team mode. They have many more legends in their games. How can they pull that off? Only their live series cards have actual pictures of the players (thanks to the MLBPA agreement) for all legend and flashback cards they use generic cards with no pictures of the players.
No the HoF or the alumni association for that matter doesnt automatically get representation rights.
there is a blanket representation available from both that players belonging to either can sign up for, it works similar to the way the mlbpa one does, except that the pa one is automatic and these arent.
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I remember back before DD was as big as it is and probably actually before it became a thing. I think this was around 2010 the show had the golden era team and the silver era team. You could only play with the charactersin exhibitions or online exhibitions.
Golden era had legends like
Cy Young
Ted Williams
Babe Ruth
Tris Speaker
Joe DiMaggio
Satchel Paige
Bob Feller
Grover Cleveland Alexander
Gil HodgesSilver Era had:
Nolan Ryan
Tom Seaver
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@OreoRockstar_PSN said in Players Rights:
@tmichae10_PSN said in Players Rights:
@Ericulous1_PSN said in Players Rights:
@jonblaze2424_PSN said in Players Rights:
I know this topic gets brought up over and over again...but I have to admit I'm a little concerned about the legends for 2023. I feel like last year they teased us with a slew of new legends (which was pretty cool)....and it seems like this year more than half of them are gone.
Has SDS came out and given a legit, real explanation as to why they are losing players rights and why they can't acquire certain players? Is it possible that some of these legends we all have been dying for simply have no idea that they aren't in the game? Is SDS doing their best to get as many in the game as possible?
Who are we kidding, were all going to buy the game regardless....but I'd have to say my biggest disappointment in this game this year is the recycling of legend cards and especially the introduction of retro finest.
Someone produced a list at the beginning of the year of all new or returning legends and all legends that were no longer in the game this year and in my opinion the new far outweighed the old. To my knowledge the biggest names we lost were guys like George Foster and Fred McGriff. We gained Randy Johnson, Roy Halladay, Mussina etc.
To be honest, I haven't really noticed any of the absent players from last year other than the two who were removed mid year last year Puckett and Alomar.
Ted Williams is offended at your remark sir.
He wasn’t in last year either. He was removed after 20 along with Cobb and Hornsby
COBB was the other name I was trying to pull for my throwaway comment…..I definitely remember him being in almost every lineup….only time he wasn’t in is if there was a specific non-Cobb squad like, no power or no speed or…I’m fine losing.
