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@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@pscrabro_psn said in And There It Is:

@go4stros25_psn said in And There It Is:

@pscrabro_psn said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@raesone_psn said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

What does this mean for PS4 users ..won't they be completely overmatched?

If we can play at 120Hz, then yeah you're at a significant disadvantage. Time to upgrade.

See this makes me think they'll revert everything to 60hz...seems wrong to alienate a large group

I have to disagree with this and doubt they care if they alienate the PS4 users. If they hold the new console back due to the old console not having the same technology... what would be the point of paying $500 for a new console??? They wouldn't make a new car with new features, then disable the new features to be loyal to customers that paid for the previous version... that would just be bad business. They should and better be upgrading PS5 to 120hz... because that's what PS5 users paid for. PS4 users never paid for a 120hz system... so they need to buy a new console to get it. 120hz imo should have been enabled at launch and needs to be added asap because this is a Sony game and it's better to play on a Microsoft product... that is not good business for Sony.

You are spot on. Don't bother trying to have a debate with this stinky guy. It's kinda his thing to be argumentative, most people know him from one of his other accounts so we just ignore him.

You could have a written report from playstion CEO Jim Ryan and he will still argue.

A good solution to his problem is to stop playing on his obsolete console or just accept the fact it's not as good as the new one... lol

Once again...I am not arguing for the customer...I am telling you to look at it from the companies side

And likewise.... Once Again, your logic doesn't help sell new consoles, so fortunately for me on PS5, they will be updating it. I will be using my console at full 120hz capability to play The Show for now on. Glad they agree with me and not you.

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@the_dragon1912 said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@the_dragon1912 said in And There It Is:

@genopolanco_psn said in And There It Is:

@go4stros25_psn said in And There It Is:

@genopolanco_psn said in And There It Is:

All of your analogies are great but it’s not the same when you have to go on the black market to buy a PS5. If they were in stores or selling online from actual retailers, sure, move on to next gen. But they aren’t. It’s not a money issue. It’s a I don’t want to give money to shady people selling PS5s for $300 over retail.

If SONY wants to alienate the PS4 customers, then make sure you can at least produce enough to go around to everyone who wants to buy one over a year later after release.

Lol so now ebay is the black market?

Again I’m totally fine with moving on from the PS4 era if PS5s were available in store. But for Sony to not provide enough systems for everyone who wants to buy them, and then decide to advance past the PS4 era, that’s where I have a problem.

eBay isn’t necessarily the black market, but requiring your fan base to buy from scalpers is wrong in my opinion. And don’t tell me about apps and that BS. I’ve tried numerous times to buy one at retail and BS always happens. Apps will crash. I’ve had one in my cart numerous times but can’t check out because the app will crash then be sold out.

Either figure out a way for your customers to buy the systems instead of bots, or you need to keep producing an even playing field for those who don’t want to give their money to scalpers.

Just because you guys want to pay a 40% mark up, doesn’t mean everyone should have to. This game is already heavily dependent on having a monitor to be able to play at a high level, now I have to pay $800 for something that should be $500?

Tbf if somy actually charged what it cost to make them it would probably be pushing 800 anyway lmao

So their losing money on every sale?

Consoles have been like that forever. The PS5 for example is estimated $450 in parts. Throw in labor and shipping costs and its well over what they are selling them for

Hmm..seems odd... I'll have the look into that

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@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@pscrabro_psn said in And There It Is:

@go4stros25_psn said in And There It Is:

@pscrabro_psn said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@raesone_psn said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

What does this mean for PS4 users ..won't they be completely overmatched?

If we can play at 120Hz, then yeah you're at a significant disadvantage. Time to upgrade.

See this makes me think they'll revert everything to 60hz...seems wrong to alienate a large group

I have to disagree with this and doubt they care if they alienate the PS4 users. If they hold the new console back due to the old console not having the same technology... what would be the point of paying $500 for a new console??? They wouldn't make a new car with new features, then disable the new features to be loyal to customers that paid for the previous version... that would just be bad business. They should and better be upgrading PS5 to 120hz... because that's what PS5 users paid for. PS4 users never paid for a 120hz system... so they need to buy a new console to get it. 120hz imo should have been enabled at launch and needs to be added asap because this is a Sony game and it's better to play on a Microsoft product... that is not good business for Sony.

You are spot on. Don't bother trying to have a debate with this stinky guy. It's kinda his thing to be argumentative, most people know him from one of his other accounts so we just ignore him.

You could have a written report from playstion CEO Jim Ryan and he will still argue.

A good solution to his problem is to stop playing on his obsolete console or just accept the fact it's not as good as the new one... lol

What is my problem that I need a solution for?

Your problem is you think PS5 should be held back to 60hz and it's not happening... that is your problem. I don't have a problem because they did what I wanted them to do.

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@pscrabro_psn said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@pscrabro_psn said in And There It Is:

@go4stros25_psn said in And There It Is:

@pscrabro_psn said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@raesone_psn said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

What does this mean for PS4 users ..won't they be completely overmatched?

If we can play at 120Hz, then yeah you're at a significant disadvantage. Time to upgrade.

See this makes me think they'll revert everything to 60hz...seems wrong to alienate a large group

I have to disagree with this and doubt they care if they alienate the PS4 users. If they hold the new console back due to the old console not having the same technology... what would be the point of paying $500 for a new console??? They wouldn't make a new car with new features, then disable the new features to be loyal to customers that paid for the previous version... that would just be bad business. They should and better be upgrading PS5 to 120hz... because that's what PS5 users paid for. PS4 users never paid for a 120hz system... so they need to buy a new console to get it. 120hz imo should have been enabled at launch and needs to be added asap because this is a Sony game and it's better to play on a Microsoft product... that is not good business for Sony.

You are spot on. Don't bother trying to have a debate with this stinky guy. It's kinda his thing to be argumentative, most people know him from one of his other accounts so we just ignore him.

You could have a written report from playstion CEO Jim Ryan and he will still argue.

A good solution to his problem is to stop playing on his obsolete console or just accept the fact it's not as good as the new one... lol

What is my problem that I need a solution for?

Your problem is you think PS5 should be held back to 60hz and it's not happening... that is your problem. I don't have a problem because they did what I wanted them to do.

I never said I thought. It should be ..I stated why I thought it would be

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@pscrabro_psn said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@pscrabro_psn said in And There It Is:

@go4stros25_psn said in And There It Is:

@pscrabro_psn said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@raesone_psn said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

What does this mean for PS4 users ..won't they be completely overmatched?

If we can play at 120Hz, then yeah you're at a significant disadvantage. Time to upgrade.

See this makes me think they'll revert everything to 60hz...seems wrong to alienate a large group

I have to disagree with this and doubt they care if they alienate the PS4 users. If they hold the new console back due to the old console not having the same technology... what would be the point of paying $500 for a new console??? They wouldn't make a new car with new features, then disable the new features to be loyal to customers that paid for the previous version... that would just be bad business. They should and better be upgrading PS5 to 120hz... because that's what PS5 users paid for. PS4 users never paid for a 120hz system... so they need to buy a new console to get it. 120hz imo should have been enabled at launch and needs to be added asap because this is a Sony game and it's better to play on a Microsoft product... that is not good business for Sony.

You are spot on. Don't bother trying to have a debate with this stinky guy. It's kinda his thing to be argumentative, most people know him from one of his other accounts so we just ignore him.

You could have a written report from playstion CEO Jim Ryan and he will still argue.

A good solution to his problem is to stop playing on his obsolete console or just accept the fact it's not as good as the new one... lol

Once again...I am not arguing for the customer...I am telling you to look at it from the companies side

And likewise.... Once Again, your logic doesn't help sell new consoles, so fortunately for me on PS5, they will be updating it. I will be using my console at full 120hz capability to play The Show for now on. Glad they agree with me and not you.

You really are having difficulty comprehending aren't you.....

  1. help sell new console that are not available? Good job

  2. You keep boasting about you having a PS5 and I have a PS4...which isn't my point at all

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@raesone_psn said in And There It Is:

It is funny that all the people who are against PS5 being able to use 120hz/VRR are the PS4 owners. Yes it sucks you don't have a PS5. We all get that. Hopefully you'll get one soon, either because of availability or because of financial matters. In the meantime, let people have and enjoy nice things. Thank you.

I'm not against PS5 owners being able to use those options. I'm just saying that if they're available to be used online then PS 5 owners should only be allowed to match up with other PS5 owners.

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@mrxbaseballx2k22_psn said in And There It Is:

@raesone_psn said in And There It Is:

It is funny that all the people who are against PS5 being able to use 120hz/VRR are the PS4 owners. Yes it sucks you don't have a PS5. We all get that. Hopefully you'll get one soon, either because of availability or because of financial matters. In the meantime, let people have and enjoy nice things. Thank you.

I'm not against PS5 owners being able to use those options. I'm just saying that if they're available to be used online then PS 5 owners should only be allowed to match up with other PS5 owners.

PS4 users can just turn off crossplay

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@raesone_psn said in And There It Is:

It is funny that all the people who are against PS5 being able to use 120hz/VRR are the PS4 owners. Yes it sucks you don't have a PS5. We all get that. Hopefully you'll get one soon, either because of availability or because of financial matters. In the meantime, let people have and enjoy nice things. Thank you.

I’m not against it at all. I’m against isolating a large portion of the community with the choice of having to pay 40% more to a scalper or not be able to play on the same playing field in a game I could 2 days ago.

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@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@mrxbaseballx2k22_psn said in And There It Is:

@raesone_psn said in And There It Is:

It is funny that all the people who are against PS5 being able to use 120hz/VRR are the PS4 owners. Yes it sucks you don't have a PS5. We all get that. Hopefully you'll get one soon, either because of availability or because of financial matters. In the meantime, let people have and enjoy nice things. Thank you.

I'm not against PS5 owners being able to use those options. I'm just saying that if they're available to be used online then PS 5 owners should only be allowed to match up with other PS5 owners.

PS4 users can just turn off crossplay

That only eliminates PS v Xbox/switch…..PS4 would still match with PS5

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@the_dragon1912 said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@the_dragon1912 said in And There It Is:

@genopolanco_psn said in And There It Is:

@go4stros25_psn said in And There It Is:

@genopolanco_psn said in And There It Is:

All of your analogies are great but it’s not the same when you have to go on the black market to buy a PS5. If they were in stores or selling online from actual retailers, sure, move on to next gen. But they aren’t. It’s not a money issue. It’s a I don’t want to give money to shady people selling PS5s for $300 over retail.

If SONY wants to alienate the PS4 customers, then make sure you can at least produce enough to go around to everyone who wants to buy one over a year later after release.

Lol so now ebay is the black market?

Again I’m totally fine with moving on from the PS4 era if PS5s were available in store. But for Sony to not provide enough systems for everyone who wants to buy them, and then decide to advance past the PS4 era, that’s where I have a problem.

eBay isn’t necessarily the black market, but requiring your fan base to buy from scalpers is wrong in my opinion. And don’t tell me about apps and that BS. I’ve tried numerous times to buy one at retail and BS always happens. Apps will crash. I’ve had one in my cart numerous times but can’t check out because the app will crash then be sold out.

Either figure out a way for your customers to buy the systems instead of bots, or you need to keep producing an even playing field for those who don’t want to give their money to scalpers.

Just because you guys want to pay a 40% mark up, doesn’t mean everyone should have to. This game is already heavily dependent on having a monitor to be able to play at a high level, now I have to pay $800 for something that should be $500?

Tbf if somy actually charged what it cost to make them it would probably be pushing 800 anyway lmao

So their losing money on every sale?

Consoles have been like that forever. The PS5 for example is estimated $450 in parts. Throw in labor and shipping costs and its well over what they are selling them for

Let’s be honest, labour is about 10 cents an hour

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@tmichae10_psn said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@mrxbaseballx2k22_psn said in And There It Is:

@raesone_psn said in And There It Is:

It is funny that all the people who are against PS5 being able to use 120hz/VRR are the PS4 owners. Yes it sucks you don't have a PS5. We all get that. Hopefully you'll get one soon, either because of availability or because of financial matters. In the meantime, let people have and enjoy nice things. Thank you.

I'm not against PS5 owners being able to use those options. I'm just saying that if they're available to be used online then PS 5 owners should only be allowed to match up with other PS5 owners.

PS4 users can just turn off crossplay

That only eliminates PS v Xbox/switch…..PS4 would still match with PS5

No, cross play is both gen and company

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@tmichae10_psn said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@mrxbaseballx2k22_psn said in And There It Is:

@raesone_psn said in And There It Is:

It is funny that all the people who are against PS5 being able to use 120hz/VRR are the PS4 owners. Yes it sucks you don't have a PS5. We all get that. Hopefully you'll get one soon, either because of availability or because of financial matters. In the meantime, let people have and enjoy nice things. Thank you.

I'm not against PS5 owners being able to use those options. I'm just saying that if they're available to be used online then PS 5 owners should only be allowed to match up with other PS5 owners.

PS4 users can just turn off crossplay

That only eliminates PS v Xbox/switch…..PS4 would still match with PS5

Oh yeah...oops

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@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@tmichae10_psn said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@mrxbaseballx2k22_psn said in And There It Is:

@raesone_psn said in And There It Is:

It is funny that all the people who are against PS5 being able to use 120hz/VRR are the PS4 owners. Yes it sucks you don't have a PS5. We all get that. Hopefully you'll get one soon, either because of availability or because of financial matters. In the meantime, let people have and enjoy nice things. Thank you.

I'm not against PS5 owners being able to use those options. I'm just saying that if they're available to be used online then PS 5 owners should only be allowed to match up with other PS5 owners.

PS4 users can just turn off crossplay

That only eliminates PS v Xbox/switch…..PS4 would still match with PS5

Oh yeah...oops

Ok maybe...maybe not

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@flamexjd20_psn said in And There It Is:

PS 4 users still being matched up with ps5 userss even after crossplay is turned off?
Huge disadvantage for ps4 users

We don’t know ps5 users at at 120. There’s been zero confirmation from Sds on this and it’s not on the list of ps5 games that support 120. It’s most likely placebo effect from people posting on this forum. Why would sds abandon more than half their player base? Bad business if you ask me.

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@mrwonderful95 said in And There It Is:

@flamexjd20_psn said in And There It Is:

PS 4 users still being matched up with ps5 userss even after crossplay is turned off?
Huge disadvantage for ps4 users

We don’t know ps5 users at at 120. There’s been zero confirmation from Sds on this and it’s not on the list of ps5 games that support 120. It’s most likely placebo effect from people posting on this forum. Why would sds abandon more than half their player base? Bad business if you ask me.

They are giving people who paid for something what they paid for, not abandoning anyone. Game still plays as intended on other platforms.

And just because a cat is standing in front of you doesnt mean you need a zoologist to tell you it is a cat. There are plenty other ways to tell.

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@ecureuil2011_psn said in And There It Is:

@tmichae10_psn said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@mrxbaseballx2k22_psn said in And There It Is:

@raesone_psn said in And There It Is:

It is funny that all the people who are against PS5 being able to use 120hz/VRR are the PS4 owners. Yes it sucks you don't have a PS5. We all get that. Hopefully you'll get one soon, either because of availability or because of financial matters. In the meantime, let people have and enjoy nice things. Thank you.

I'm not against PS5 owners being able to use those options. I'm just saying that if they're available to be used online then PS 5 owners should only be allowed to match up with other PS5 owners.

PS4 users can just turn off crossplay

That only eliminates PS v Xbox/switch…..PS4 would still match with PS5

No, cross play is both gen and company

I would challenge this….the cross-platform compatibility is delineated between the login account of respective users: PlayStation Network (PSN) and Xbox Live Arcade (XBLA)

PS4 + PS5 are still on the same “platform” while utilizing different “consoles”.

I did a little searching now to help validate further but it’s a little jumbled out there….any definitive reference on your end?

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@go4stros25_psn said in And There It Is:

@tmichae10_psn said in And There It Is:

@go4stros25_psn said in And There It Is:

@raesone_psn

People who say "I don't wanna spend X amount of money" sound extremely entitled to me, because if they don't wanna spend money that's totally fine. Nobody is forcing anyone to do so. But you can not expect the premium while not willing to pay for it and it's basically a big F you to all those who did put down that money. Consider yourself being one of those people for a minute and you hear PS4 owners make these arguments.

I remember when the PS4 came out. I was in college and had no money to upgrade right away from my PS3. I understood that I would not have the same benefits as those PS4 users and never even thought of complaining about it, because that's how the world works.

Brilliantly said good sir. If you don't want to spend the extra money for a first class ticket that's fine you can fly coach, but we aren't grounding the plane because you don't have the same leg room.

I think for a lot of people it’s not that they don’t want to fly first class, it’s that there aren’t enough seats.

We just bought one last week for my father-in-law from ebay. They are out there, they just cost more than most are willing to spend. It's unfortunate, but it's not like you absolutely can't buy one, becasue you can.
Can you purchase plane tickets on EBAY?

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@chuckclc_psn said in And There It Is:

@mrwonderful95 said in And There It Is:

@flamexjd20_psn said in And There It Is:

PS 4 users still being matched up with ps5 userss even after crossplay is turned off?
Huge disadvantage for ps4 users

We don’t know ps5 users at at 120. There’s been zero confirmation from Sds on this and it’s not on the list of ps5 games that support 120. It’s most likely placebo effect from people posting on this forum. Why would sds abandon more than half their player base? Bad business if you ask me.

They are giving people who paid for something what they paid for, not abandoning anyone. Game still plays as intended on other platforms.

And just because a cat is standing in front of you doesnt mean you need a zoologist to tell you it is a cat. There are plenty other ways to tell.

I kick them and listen to what sound comes out.

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@tmichae10_psn said in And There It Is:

@ecureuil2011_psn said in And There It Is:

@tmichae10_psn said in And There It Is:

@stinkysman77_mlbts said in And There It Is:

@mrxbaseballx2k22_psn said in And There It Is:

@raesone_psn said in And There It Is:

It is funny that all the people who are against PS5 being able to use 120hz/VRR are the PS4 owners. Yes it sucks you don't have a PS5. We all get that. Hopefully you'll get one soon, either because of availability or because of financial matters. In the meantime, let people have and enjoy nice things. Thank you.

I'm not against PS5 owners being able to use those options. I'm just saying that if they're available to be used online then PS 5 owners should only be allowed to match up with other PS5 owners.

PS4 users can just turn off crossplay

That only eliminates PS v Xbox/switch…..PS4 would still match with PS5

No, cross play is both gen and company

I would challenge this….the cross-platform compatibility is delineated between the login account of respective users: PlayStation Network (PSN) and Xbox Live Arcade (XBLA)

PS4 + PS5 are still on the same “platform” while utilizing different “consoles”.

I did a little searching now to help validate further but it’s a little jumbled out there….any definitive reference on your end?

Can only go by what was said by the devs on pre-launch streams last year and this year. They specifically said that cross play is cross gen AND cross platform, and that if you want to play people from the same platform, turn cross play off.

And to your point about user types, it works for created stadiums

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@pscrabro_psn said in And There It Is:

@ecureuil2011_psn said in And There It Is:

@go4stros25_psn said in And There It Is:

@tmichae10_psn said in And There It Is:

@go4stros25_psn said in And There It Is:

@tmichae10_psn said in And There It Is:

@go4stros25_psn said in And There It Is:

@raesone_psn

People who say "I don't wanna spend X amount of money" sound extremely entitled to me, because if they don't wanna spend money that's totally fine. Nobody is forcing anyone to do so. But you can not expect the premium while not willing to pay for it and it's basically a big F you to all those who did put down that money. Consider yourself being one of those people for a minute and you hear PS4 owners make these arguments.

I remember when the PS4 came out. I was in college and had no money to upgrade right away from my PS3. I understood that I would not have the same benefits as those PS4 users and never even thought of complaining about it, because that's how the world works.

Brilliantly said good sir. If you don't want to spend the extra money for a first class ticket that's fine you can fly coach, but we aren't grounding the plane because you don't have the same leg room.

I think for a lot of people it’s not that they don’t want to fly first class, it’s that there aren’t enough seats.

We just bought one last week for my father-in-law from ebay. They are out there, they just cost more than most are willing to spend. It's unfortunate, but it's not like you absolutely can't buy one, becasue you can.

But again it’s availability….yes “some” exist but there is clearly a distinct shortage that has been documented from the last almost 2 years. I don’t have the personal recollection from previous initial launches, but while there may be instances of short supply at a given location, there was never anything on a scale as there is today.

There is a big difference between going into 1 of any dozen brick + mortar places or their respective online retailer vs having to scour the internet, be first notice on releases/stocking, etc.

Lol "scour the internet"?

Just Googled "ps5 ebay" and boom I could have one here thursday for $695 + $20 shipping, in box, form a seller with 98.8% positive feedback, and backed by ebays money back guarantee. $200 over retail, I would hardly call that scouring.

That’s a 40% markup, for something that isn’t being exploited to its potential yet by your own admission.

You also have to factor in that a lot of players are from outside the US, so the already rare availability is even worse depending on where you live.

This is still not a good reason to hold back PS5 features. If some countries are suffering from lack of food... should we here not be able to access groceries?

WOW.