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@th3l1ght_psn said in CBA progress:
Labor vs management should always be relatable.
This is more like Labor vs CEO.
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It goes both ways, these are grown men who are acting like babies on both ends. I don’t pick a side because both are at fault here for not being level headed. Crying over millions.
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@chrono_omega_psn said in CBA progress:
It goes both ways, these are grown men who are acting like babies on both ends. I don’t pick a side because both are at fault here for not being level headed. Crying over millions.
Hundreds of millions. The owners literally lose nothing by just agreeing to the players demands. Players demands them set up the future players of the league.
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@ikasnu_psn said in CBA progress:
@chrono_omega_psn said in CBA progress:
It goes both ways, these are grown men who are acting like babies on both ends. I don’t pick a side because both are at fault here for not being level headed. Crying over millions.
Hundreds of millions. The owners literally lose nothing by just agreeing to the players demands. Players demands them set up the future players of the league.
I was actually hoping greed would prevail in that the owners will realize they'd lose far more money by canceling some or all of the season than by capitulation to the players, and their greed would force them to compromise. I do think they both should concede a bit but starting tomorrow, they will have new things to argue, like how many games to play, how much money the players will get paid for an abbreviated season, will there be any minor league games? The game we all love is in quite a bit of danger right now.
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Minor leagues are mostly unaffected iirc. I think its everyone on the 40 man roster and in MLB FA.
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@ericulous1_psn said in CBA progress:
@ikasnu_psn said in CBA progress:
@chrono_omega_psn said in CBA progress:
It goes both ways, these are grown men who are acting like babies on both ends. I don’t pick a side because both are at fault here for not being level headed. Crying over millions.
Hundreds of millions. The owners literally lose nothing by just agreeing to the players demands. Players demands them set up the future players of the league.
I was actually hoping greed would prevail in that the owners will realize they'd lose far more money by canceling some or all of the season than by capitulation to the players, and their greed would force them to compromise. I do think they both should concede a bit but starting tomorrow, they will have new things to argue, like how many games to play, how much money the players will get paid for an abbreviated season, will there be any minor league games? The game we all love is in quite a bit of danger right now.
Oh there will be a full minor league season because the minors don’t fall under the CBA. That’s how the owners can afford to play this game of chicken because while they are stalling and negotiating in bad faith the minors will be providing the revenue for the organization and I presume we will be watching a lot of minor league baseball to fill the void that would normally be taken by mlb which will provide the owners even more additional revenue.
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@ikasnu_psn said in CBA progress:
Minor leagues are mostly unaffected iirc. I think its everyone on the 40 man roster and in MLB FA.
Only players on the 26 man roster fall under the CBA. Anybody at the minor league level has no CBA protection
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@killerpresence4 said in CBA progress:
With what happened yesterday, I think it’s time for the players union to absolutely eviscerate the owners. By this, I mean using their position to sway congress into removing MLB’s anti trust exemption. By doing this MLB would lose the ability to suppress competition. The owners have proven to be nothing more than snakes in the grass and have little interest in improving the game on the field. They would rather continue raking in the profits then improving the product that we all enjoy watching. As much as this hurts to say this, the players should at this point cease negotiations altogether and cancel the upcoming season until the owners prove they are willing to negotiate in good faith rather than trying to crush the players union. Also, the players should move to make the minor league players part of the union basically taking away the owners ability to generate any sort of revenue for the upcoming season. One last thing, the union should make the demand that for them to return to field that Rob Manfred is fired and banished from baseball for life. He is everything that is wrong with the owners and should be punished just as the owners are punished for their roles in this situation. This is a sad situation but desperate times seek desperate measures. Feel free to share your thoughts on this situation.
Yes Manfred needs to be fired
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@ericulous1_psn said in CBA progress:
@kovz88_psn said in CBA progress:
@poksey_MLBTS
While I get it I honestly hate that mind set. Boo hoo they make more money than us. In context tho the players are doing the bigger share of work and putting their bodies on the line while getting pennies compared to the owners. Anyone would be upset about thatYou are right, it's definitely the lesser of two evils in the Richie Rich world. I don't think a anyone sides with the owners here. But come on. Kirby Yates hasn't pitched a game in almost 3 years and he's made millions. Max Scherzer will make more money pitching 1 game than a school teacher makes in 15 years.
Players are incredibly greedy and egotistical too. Lindor got 341 million, exactly 1 more than Tatis so he can boast being the highest paid shortstop in the game. And you know Correa has that figure in mind. You're telling me that's not a symbolic million, does 1 million dollars really mean anything when you're in those figures? It's a greed and ego game. They all want their bag.
The owners are the ones that pay and agree, It all started with Arod and Manny Ramirez
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My very detailed, well-reasoned opinion? They will play a full 162 game season. I just know it.
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@chrono_omega_psn said in CBA progress:
It goes both ways, these are grown men who are acting like babies on both ends. I don’t pick a side because both are at fault here for not being level headed. Crying over millions.
But it doesn’t go both ways. The players are 100% at the mercy of the owners. Why do the good players always escape the small market teams. Because those teams aren’t interested in putting a winning team on the field. Why you ask, because of the Competitive Balance Tax. That’s why we have tanking and service time manipulation. It’s the owners way of not having to pay their players. And this is only an issue for a select few teams. The biggest market teams and the smallest market teams.
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April generates the least amount of revenue vs what owners pay in salary we won’t see baseball until May/June
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So I won't say much on this because I believe both sides are ridiculously greedy, but I will say this. I love to read the comments of KILLER because most of the time they are completely based on nothing true and are completely from his imagination or some fantasy world he lives in. Since that has been said now I will say my piece about both sides. I believe baseball has doomed itself because of this greed from both the players and the owners. We are probably going to see in baseball what happened with hockey years ago, and it will probably be the only way it saves the game. I for one don't believe that unproven minor league players deserve larger guaranteed contracts. If that does happen then the cost of those contracts will be passed on to the consumers, and who wants to pay nba prices to go see a baseball game. I also believe that the owners need to set up a personal retirement plan for every individual player that plays at the mlb level for their team based on time with the team and contract pay. That will ensure each player at the mlb level will have guaranteed money when they leave baseball. Minor league players do not deserve large contracts or guaranteed money. Why anyone would believe someone who hasn't proven themselves in a job deserves big money is just beyond me. No other business, and remember it's a business first and foremost, would ever pay someone a large contract for an unproven record. Both sides are very greedy and it is ruining the game. Last and not least Rob Manfred has no business being commissioner. He should be fired.
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@hockey4all2001 said in CBA progress:
So I won't say much on this because I believe both sides are ridiculously greedy, but I will say this. I love to read the comments of KILLER because most of the time they are completely based on nothing true and are completely from his imagination or some fantasy world he lives in. Since that has been said now I will say my piece about both sides. I believe baseball has doomed itself because of this greed from both the players and the owners. We are probably going to see in baseball what happened with hockey years ago, and it will probably be the only way it saves the game. I for one don't believe that unproven minor league players deserve larger guaranteed contracts. If that does happen then the cost of those contracts will be passed on to the consumers, and who wants to pay nba prices to go see a baseball game. I also believe that the owners need to set up a personal retirement plan for every individual player that plays at the mlb level for their team based on time with the team and contract pay. That will ensure each player at the mlb level will have guaranteed money when they leave baseball. Minor league players do not deserve large contracts or guaranteed money. Why anyone would believe someone who hasn't proven themselves in a job deserves big money is just beyond me. No other business, and remember it's a business first and foremost, would ever pay someone a large contract for an unproven record. Both sides are very greedy and it is ruining the game. Last and not least Rob Manfred has no business being commissioner. He should be fired.
The minor league players are not getting a Large contract. The top minor league players are already placed in a bracket of what they get. The MLPA wants those numbers to go a little higher. The Owners came back with counter offer but the union denied that offer. The other issue is how long the team has control of a minor leaguer. When they make it to the major right now it is 6 years but if the owner brings them up 2 weeks after opening day they get a 7th year out of the minor leaguer on min salary. The Padres could still be paying Tatis Jr the min salary. The Cubs kept Kris Bryant down to get an extra year out of him. The the problem is the few players that become stars early, are not getting paid what they deserve. The Players Union wants to change the the service time. This was brought to light because of how the Cubs treated Kris Bryant.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in CBA progress:
The Cubs kept Kris Bryant down to get an extra year out of him.
They also gave him a 6.9 million dollar signing bonus. He was making almost 20 million a season by the time the Cubs traded him. He made 59 million in his career as a Cub. Yes, he could have made more if the cubs had not played with his service time but it is still hard to empathize or feel bad for someone who made 59 million before the age of 30.
I am not defending the practice of manipulating service time I am simply stating why I have a hard time rooting for either side.
Again, if any of this was helping the career minor leaguers, the ones who never get called up, then I would have more sympathy for the MLBPA but right now I can't drum up much support for either side.
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@dolenz_psn said in CBA progress:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in CBA progress:
The Cubs kept Kris Bryant down to get an extra year out of him.
They also gave him a 6.9 million dollar signing bonus. He was making almost 20 million a season by the time the Cubs traded him. He made 59 million in his career as a Cub. Yes, he could have made more if the cubs had not played with his service time but it is still hard to empathize or feel bad for someone who made 59 million before the age of 30.
I am not defending the practice of manipulating service time I am simply stating why I have a hard time rooting for either side.
Again, if any of this was helping the career minor leaguers, the ones who never get called up, then I would have more sympathy for the MLBPA but right now I can't drum up much support for either side.
It does actually help ones that will not get called up if they fall in the 3 catagories of what they already make, they would make more but the two sides can not agree on the salary. There are three different salaries for top minor leaguers from what I understand and that is one of the things that has to be settled
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The other issue that the players union wants to fix is guys are ready for the major but get stuck in the minors because of the pos they play and no where to move them up. The dodgers had Paul Lo Duca in the minors for I believe it was 10 years before he got called up.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in CBA progress:
The other issue that the players union wants to fix is guys are ready for the major but get stuck in the minors because of the pos they play and no where to move them up. The dodgers had Paul Lo Duca in the minors for I believe it was 10 years before he got called up.
Once again you never know if a player is ready to be called up to the MLB. You hope the player is ready but it is always a chance that is taken by the club. Their are thousands of players who were deemed ready for the big club but could never get it going and then became career minor leaguers. It happens more often than not. So why should they receive more money while they are still unproven at a MLB level.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in CBA progress:
The other issue that the players union wants to fix is guys are ready for the major but get stuck in the minors because of the pos they play and no where to move them up. The dodgers had Paul Lo Duca in the minors for I believe it was 10 years before he got called up.
And let's all get on the same page here. The players union only wants them to be included in the players union the same as the MLB players because then the players union receives more money, much more money. They truly do not give a [censored] about players, they are a business also and are in it for money. The reason they want the years of service reduced is because the faster a player can get to free agency the higher their potential for making money. And that means more money for the players union. So it is greed all around on both sides and it is only the fans who suffer.
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Probably could have stopped at 59M lol
