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@dolenz_psn said in CBA progress:
If the minor leaguers were in the union then I might actually care which side wins because those are the guys that need the most help. Right now it is just two sides of unrelatable rich people wanting a bigger piece of the pie.
Agree with this. Millionaires arguing with billionaires.
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@poksey_MLBTS
While I get it I honestly hate that mind set. Boo hoo they make more money than us. In context tho the players are doing the bigger share of work and putting their bodies on the line while getting pennies compared to the owners. Anyone would be upset about that -
@kovz88_psn said in CBA progress:
@poksey_MLBTS
While I get it I honestly hate that mind set. Boo hoo they make more money than us. In context tho the players are doing the bigger share of work and putting their bodies on the line while getting pennies compared to the owners. Anyone would be upset about thatYou are right, it's definitely the lesser of two evils in the Richie Rich world. I don't think a anyone sides with the owners here. But come on. Kirby Yates hasn't pitched a game in almost 3 years and he's made millions. Max Scherzer will make more money pitching 1 game than a school teacher makes in 15 years.
Players are incredibly greedy and egotistical too. Lindor got 341 million, exactly 1 more than Tatis so he can boast being the highest paid shortstop in the game. And you know Correa has that figure in mind. You're telling me that's not a symbolic million, does 1 million dollars really mean anything when you're in those figures? It's a greed and ego game. They all want their bag.
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@Ericulous1_PSN
I agree teachers should definitely make more money but it's not Max Scherzer's fault that they don't. Yah some players are definitely greedy but you also have to think that some of them probably don't have a huge money making plan for after baseball. They are just trying to get their money now so they can be set and take care of the next generation in their family. They also don't know if they will get injured tomorrow and never have the chance to make that money again. -
I feel bad for everyone who has jobs with the league like workers at ballparks etc. sucks for us fans too but people need to work.
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@soonermagic78_xbl said in CBA progress:
I feel bad for everyone who has jobs with the league like workers at ballparks etc. sucks for us fans too but people need to work.
My brother in law is one the managers of concessions for the Orioles and Ravens so I wonder how he’s going to deal with it. He does get other work when there are other events like Billy Joel coming to Camden Yards but I’m sure it’s going to put a good dent in his paycheck if there is no baseball.
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Labor vs management should always be relatable.
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@th3l1ght_psn said in CBA progress:
Labor vs management should always be relatable.
This is more like Labor vs CEO.
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It goes both ways, these are grown men who are acting like babies on both ends. I don’t pick a side because both are at fault here for not being level headed. Crying over millions.
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@chrono_omega_psn said in CBA progress:
It goes both ways, these are grown men who are acting like babies on both ends. I don’t pick a side because both are at fault here for not being level headed. Crying over millions.
Hundreds of millions. The owners literally lose nothing by just agreeing to the players demands. Players demands them set up the future players of the league.
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@ikasnu_psn said in CBA progress:
@chrono_omega_psn said in CBA progress:
It goes both ways, these are grown men who are acting like babies on both ends. I don’t pick a side because both are at fault here for not being level headed. Crying over millions.
Hundreds of millions. The owners literally lose nothing by just agreeing to the players demands. Players demands them set up the future players of the league.
I was actually hoping greed would prevail in that the owners will realize they'd lose far more money by canceling some or all of the season than by capitulation to the players, and their greed would force them to compromise. I do think they both should concede a bit but starting tomorrow, they will have new things to argue, like how many games to play, how much money the players will get paid for an abbreviated season, will there be any minor league games? The game we all love is in quite a bit of danger right now.
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Minor leagues are mostly unaffected iirc. I think its everyone on the 40 man roster and in MLB FA.
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@ericulous1_psn said in CBA progress:
@ikasnu_psn said in CBA progress:
@chrono_omega_psn said in CBA progress:
It goes both ways, these are grown men who are acting like babies on both ends. I don’t pick a side because both are at fault here for not being level headed. Crying over millions.
Hundreds of millions. The owners literally lose nothing by just agreeing to the players demands. Players demands them set up the future players of the league.
I was actually hoping greed would prevail in that the owners will realize they'd lose far more money by canceling some or all of the season than by capitulation to the players, and their greed would force them to compromise. I do think they both should concede a bit but starting tomorrow, they will have new things to argue, like how many games to play, how much money the players will get paid for an abbreviated season, will there be any minor league games? The game we all love is in quite a bit of danger right now.
Oh there will be a full minor league season because the minors don’t fall under the CBA. That’s how the owners can afford to play this game of chicken because while they are stalling and negotiating in bad faith the minors will be providing the revenue for the organization and I presume we will be watching a lot of minor league baseball to fill the void that would normally be taken by mlb which will provide the owners even more additional revenue.
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@ikasnu_psn said in CBA progress:
Minor leagues are mostly unaffected iirc. I think its everyone on the 40 man roster and in MLB FA.
Only players on the 26 man roster fall under the CBA. Anybody at the minor league level has no CBA protection
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@killerpresence4 said in CBA progress:
With what happened yesterday, I think it’s time for the players union to absolutely eviscerate the owners. By this, I mean using their position to sway congress into removing MLB’s anti trust exemption. By doing this MLB would lose the ability to suppress competition. The owners have proven to be nothing more than snakes in the grass and have little interest in improving the game on the field. They would rather continue raking in the profits then improving the product that we all enjoy watching. As much as this hurts to say this, the players should at this point cease negotiations altogether and cancel the upcoming season until the owners prove they are willing to negotiate in good faith rather than trying to crush the players union. Also, the players should move to make the minor league players part of the union basically taking away the owners ability to generate any sort of revenue for the upcoming season. One last thing, the union should make the demand that for them to return to field that Rob Manfred is fired and banished from baseball for life. He is everything that is wrong with the owners and should be punished just as the owners are punished for their roles in this situation. This is a sad situation but desperate times seek desperate measures. Feel free to share your thoughts on this situation.
Yes Manfred needs to be fired
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@ericulous1_psn said in CBA progress:
@kovz88_psn said in CBA progress:
@poksey_MLBTS
While I get it I honestly hate that mind set. Boo hoo they make more money than us. In context tho the players are doing the bigger share of work and putting their bodies on the line while getting pennies compared to the owners. Anyone would be upset about thatYou are right, it's definitely the lesser of two evils in the Richie Rich world. I don't think a anyone sides with the owners here. But come on. Kirby Yates hasn't pitched a game in almost 3 years and he's made millions. Max Scherzer will make more money pitching 1 game than a school teacher makes in 15 years.
Players are incredibly greedy and egotistical too. Lindor got 341 million, exactly 1 more than Tatis so he can boast being the highest paid shortstop in the game. And you know Correa has that figure in mind. You're telling me that's not a symbolic million, does 1 million dollars really mean anything when you're in those figures? It's a greed and ego game. They all want their bag.
The owners are the ones that pay and agree, It all started with Arod and Manny Ramirez
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My very detailed, well-reasoned opinion? They will play a full 162 game season. I just know it.
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@chrono_omega_psn said in CBA progress:
It goes both ways, these are grown men who are acting like babies on both ends. I don’t pick a side because both are at fault here for not being level headed. Crying over millions.
But it doesn’t go both ways. The players are 100% at the mercy of the owners. Why do the good players always escape the small market teams. Because those teams aren’t interested in putting a winning team on the field. Why you ask, because of the Competitive Balance Tax. That’s why we have tanking and service time manipulation. It’s the owners way of not having to pay their players. And this is only an issue for a select few teams. The biggest market teams and the smallest market teams.
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April generates the least amount of revenue vs what owners pay in salary we won’t see baseball until May/June
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So I won't say much on this because I believe both sides are ridiculously greedy, but I will say this. I love to read the comments of KILLER because most of the time they are completely based on nothing true and are completely from his imagination or some fantasy world he lives in. Since that has been said now I will say my piece about both sides. I believe baseball has doomed itself because of this greed from both the players and the owners. We are probably going to see in baseball what happened with hockey years ago, and it will probably be the only way it saves the game. I for one don't believe that unproven minor league players deserve larger guaranteed contracts. If that does happen then the cost of those contracts will be passed on to the consumers, and who wants to pay nba prices to go see a baseball game. I also believe that the owners need to set up a personal retirement plan for every individual player that plays at the mlb level for their team based on time with the team and contract pay. That will ensure each player at the mlb level will have guaranteed money when they leave baseball. Minor league players do not deserve large contracts or guaranteed money. Why anyone would believe someone who hasn't proven themselves in a job deserves big money is just beyond me. No other business, and remember it's a business first and foremost, would ever pay someone a large contract for an unproven record. Both sides are very greedy and it is ruining the game. Last and not least Rob Manfred has no business being commissioner. He should be fired.
