How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?

SDS

Obviously I'm hoping the millionaires and billionaires can shake hands and sit together at lunch again but in the event that this Lockout drags on, I'm curious to know what types of programs, if any there will be in DD.

I know Covid was a different animal, but it's the closest example we have to the game having no real life material to work with. Was DD still fun? Were there a solid selection of programs and if so, what were they?

I'm as eager for 22s version as anyone here and am just curious how it may play out if this little squabble continues.

SDS

No Inside Edge, no roster updates, no TN cards or moments were seen until the season started. The first few POTM programs just had classic POTM cards. Pretty much everything else was ran the same. With no roster changes made it easier for people to complete the LS collection up until the roster moves and then there were the common and bronze cards that were hard to get. The Inning Programs, TA programs, and Player programs were dropped as scheduled.

SDS

This is a different deal.

The reason we haven't heard from MLB 22 is likely due to no collective bargain in place as such you can't have players be shown in MLB team uniforms.

The last MLB game that was impacted by a lockout were in 1994 and in that year the games were MLBPA branded game and no actual MLB teams

There is a good chance that MLB 22 is delayed until the lockout is ended then released a week later if this extends into the season. MLB the show is based on an agreement signed by MLB and MLBPA so been collective bargaining when so did any agreements in place and are frozen

SDS

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

This is a different deal.

The reason we haven't heard from MLB 22 is likely due to no collective bargain in place as such you can't have players be shown in MLB team uniforms.

The last MLB game that was impacted by a lockout were in 1994 and in that year the games were MLBPA branded game and no actual MLB teams

There is a good chance that MLB 22 is delayed until the lockout is ended then released a week later if this extends into the season. MLB the show is based on an agreement signed by MLB and MLBPA so been collective bargaining when so did any agreements in place and are frozen

But everyone else is saying that all the player likenesses come through a contract with Topps (or something along those lines), which means that the game could go on like it did in 2020, just no roster updates or Topps Now until it begins.

SDS

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

This is a different deal.

The reason we haven't heard from MLB 22 is likely due to no collective bargain in place as such you can't have players be shown in MLB team uniforms.

The last MLB game that was impacted by a lockout were in 1994 and in that year the games were MLBPA branded game and no actual MLB teams

There is a good chance that MLB 22 is delayed until the lockout is ended then released a week later if this extends into the season. MLB the show is based on an agreement signed by MLB and MLBPA so been collective bargaining when so did any agreements in place and are frozen

But everyone else is saying that all the player likenesses come through a contract with Topps (or something along those lines), which means that the game could go on like it did in 2020, just no roster updates or Topps Now until it begins.

That's definitely not true

https://twitter.com/MLB_PR/status/1204219506253451264?t=Cwyz6jfA8kI9X30Owu8Mug&s=19

Here is the statement from when the newest deal was signed. Since the MLB and Players do not have a deal in place any joint projects can not continue as they don't have a deal. I hope I'm wrong but the fact the teams can do any articles or features for players on their website it's responsible to assume this extends to digital repenstaions of players on that team.

SDS

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

This is a different deal.

The reason we haven't heard from MLB 22 is likely due to no collective bargain in place as such you can't have players be shown in MLB team uniforms.

The last MLB game that was impacted by a lockout were in 1994 and in that year the games were MLBPA branded game and no actual MLB teams

There is a good chance that MLB 22 is delayed until the lockout is ended then released a week later if this extends into the season. MLB the show is based on an agreement signed by MLB and MLBPA so been collective bargaining when so did any agreements in place and are frozen

But everyone else is saying that all the player likenesses come through a contract with Topps (or something along those lines), which means that the game could go on like it did in 2020, just no roster updates or Topps Now until it begins.

That's definitely not true

https://twitter.com/MLB_PR/status/1204219506253451264?t=Cwyz6jfA8kI9X30Owu8Mug&s=19

Here is the statement from when the newest deal was signed. Since the MLB and Players do not have a deal in place any joint projects can not continue as they don't have a deal. I hope I'm wrong but the fact the teams can do any articles or features for players on their website it's responsible to assume this extends to digital repenstaions of players on that team.

I admit I know very little about the legal nature of these contracts and how they are influenced by the Lockout. Wouldn't it stand to reason that if SDS didn't have the right to present their likeness in a new game that they also couldn't use them in the "old game". In other words, why are we allowed to see these players likenesses in MLBTS 21? Shouldn't that be taken down since there is no agreement in place? Wouldn't they have to discontinue sales of the 21 game as it has Tatis on the cover?

Again, I'm not trying to be snarky or prove a point. It honestly makes no sense to me. If SDS can't release a new game with the active players likeness, why are they allowed to have them on 21 or any year prior?

SDS

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

This is a different deal.

The reason we haven't heard from MLB 22 is likely due to no collective bargain in place as such you can't have players be shown in MLB team uniforms.

The last MLB game that was impacted by a lockout were in 1994 and in that year the games were MLBPA branded game and no actual MLB teams

There is a good chance that MLB 22 is delayed until the lockout is ended then released a week later if this extends into the season. MLB the show is based on an agreement signed by MLB and MLBPA so been collective bargaining when so did any agreements in place and are frozen

But everyone else is saying that all the player likenesses come through a contract with Topps (or something along those lines), which means that the game could go on like it did in 2020, just no roster updates or Topps Now until it begins.

My understanding is that Topps lost the license that lets them make cards of major leaguers, to Fanatics, a company known for mass-produced, low quality teamwear.

My further understanding is that this means there will be no Topps now, and no Topps of any kind, in 22 (might kick in later though(?)).

I further understand SDS would have to contract with Fanatics to use these Fanatics baseball cards that are coming in the game itself, and I kinda doubt they'll bother.

So I conclude that the days of real-life cards being in the game are either already over, or numbered, and we'll have SDS-produced cards. We're already 85% there anyway.

SDS

@vk_ratliff_psn said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

This is a different deal.

The reason we haven't heard from MLB 22 is likely due to no collective bargain in place as such you can't have players be shown in MLB team uniforms.

The last MLB game that was impacted by a lockout were in 1994 and in that year the games were MLBPA branded game and no actual MLB teams

There is a good chance that MLB 22 is delayed until the lockout is ended then released a week later if this extends into the season. MLB the show is based on an agreement signed by MLB and MLBPA so been collective bargaining when so did any agreements in place and are frozen

But everyone else is saying that all the player likenesses come through a contract with Topps (or something along those lines), which means that the game could go on like it did in 2020, just no roster updates or Topps Now until it begins.

My understanding is that Topps lost the license that lets them make cards of major leaguers, to Fanatics, a company known for mass-produced, low quality teamwear.

My further understanding is that this means there will be no Topps now, and no Topps of any kind, in 22 (might kick in later though(?)).

I further understand SDS would have to contract with Fanatics to use these Fanatics baseball cards that are coming in the game itself, and I kinda doubt they'll bother.

So I conclude that the days of real-life cards being in the game are either already over, or numbered, and we'll have SDS-produced cards. We're already 85% there anyway.

Fanatics ending up buying Topps, and even if they hadn't, they wouldn't have lost the license until 2026. Topps will continue.

SDS

@eatyum_psn said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@vk_ratliff_psn said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

This is a different deal.

The reason we haven't heard from MLB 22 is likely due to no collective bargain in place as such you can't have players be shown in MLB team uniforms.

The last MLB game that was impacted by a lockout were in 1994 and in that year the games were MLBPA branded game and no actual MLB teams

There is a good chance that MLB 22 is delayed until the lockout is ended then released a week later if this extends into the season. MLB the show is based on an agreement signed by MLB and MLBPA so been collective bargaining when so did any agreements in place and are frozen

But everyone else is saying that all the player likenesses come through a contract with Topps (or something along those lines), which means that the game could go on like it did in 2020, just no roster updates or Topps Now until it begins.

My understanding is that Topps lost the license that lets them make cards of major leaguers, to Fanatics, a company known for mass-produced, low quality teamwear.

My further understanding is that this means there will be no Topps now, and no Topps of any kind, in 22 (might kick in later though(?)).

I further understand SDS would have to contract with Fanatics to use these Fanatics baseball cards that are coming in the game itself, and I kinda doubt they'll bother.

So I conclude that the days of real-life cards being in the game are either already over, or numbered, and we'll have SDS-produced cards. We're already 85% there anyway.

Fanatics ending up buying Topps, and even if they hadn't, they wouldn't have lost the license until 2026. Topps will continue.

good to hear and good to know!

SDS

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

The reason we haven't heard from MLB 22 is likely due to no collective bargain in place as such you can't have players be shown in MLB team uniforms.

Biggest impediment here. SDS could release the game, but they couldn't promote it, which kind of defeats the purpose.

SDS

@eatyum_psn said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@vk_ratliff_psn said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

This is a different deal.

The reason we haven't heard from MLB 22 is likely due to no collective bargain in place as such you can't have players be shown in MLB team uniforms.

The last MLB game that was impacted by a lockout were in 1994 and in that year the games were MLBPA branded game and no actual MLB teams

There is a good chance that MLB 22 is delayed until the lockout is ended then released a week later if this extends into the season. MLB the show is based on an agreement signed by MLB and MLBPA so been collective bargaining when so did any agreements in place and are frozen

But everyone else is saying that all the player likenesses come through a contract with Topps (or something along those lines), which means that the game could go on like it did in 2020, just no roster updates or Topps Now until it begins.

My understanding is that Topps lost the license that lets them make cards of major leaguers, to Fanatics, a company known for mass-produced, low quality teamwear.

My further understanding is that this means there will be no Topps now, and no Topps of any kind, in 22 (might kick in later though(?)).

I further understand SDS would have to contract with Fanatics to use these Fanatics baseball cards that are coming in the game itself, and I kinda doubt they'll bother.

So I conclude that the days of real-life cards being in the game are either already over, or numbered, and we'll have SDS-produced cards. We're already 85% there anyway.

Fanatics ending up buying Topps, and even if they hadn't, they wouldn't have lost the license until 2026. Topps will continue.

I wouldn't exclude Fanatics still release cards under the Topps brand since they now own that brand.

Like the other poster stated; Topps would still be able to produce cards until 2026, if the company wasn't bought by Fanatics. This purchase just allows Fanatics to produce cards with actual MLB team names.

SDS

they did all they could w/ 20. topps now programs were limited since the season was only 2 mo. but they did pack a lot in there with player programs and rewards - more than any previous mlb the show game.

SDS

Turns out that the agreement in place for the game operates outside of the collective bargain agreement so the lockout and no deal in place has no impact of the games release. SDS has gone silent since the release of the new showdown and the schedule not updated. The likely hood is that the next time we here from SDS will be about 22 in some capacity

SDS

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

This is a different deal.

The reason we haven't heard from MLB 22 is likely due to no collective bargain in place as such you can't have players be shown in MLB team uniforms.

The last MLB game that was impacted by a lockout were in 1994 and in that year the games were MLBPA branded game and no actual MLB teams

There is a good chance that MLB 22 is delayed until the lockout is ended then released a week later if this extends into the season. MLB the show is based on an agreement signed by MLB and MLBPA so been collective bargaining when so did any agreements in place and are frozen

But everyone else is saying that all the player likenesses come through a contract with Topps (or something along those lines), which means that the game could go on like it did in 2020, just no roster updates or Topps Now until it begins.

That's definitely not true

https://twitter.com/MLB_PR/status/1204219506253451264?t=Cwyz6jfA8kI9X30Owu8Mug&s=19

Here is the statement from when the newest deal was signed. Since the MLB and Players do not have a deal in place any joint projects can not continue as they don't have a deal. I hope I'm wrong but the fact the teams can do any articles or features for players on their website it's responsible to assume this extends to digital repenstaions of players on that team.

completely false, the lockout has zero impact on mlb ts22 outside of roster updates and programs

SDS

@guccigangchuck said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

This is a different deal.

The reason we haven't heard from MLB 22 is likely due to no collective bargain in place as such you can't have players be shown in MLB team uniforms.

The last MLB game that was impacted by a lockout were in 1994 and in that year the games were MLBPA branded game and no actual MLB teams

There is a good chance that MLB 22 is delayed until the lockout is ended then released a week later if this extends into the season. MLB the show is based on an agreement signed by MLB and MLBPA so been collective bargaining when so did any agreements in place and are frozen

But everyone else is saying that all the player likenesses come through a contract with Topps (or something along those lines), which means that the game could go on like it did in 2020, just no roster updates or Topps Now until it begins.

That's definitely not true

https://twitter.com/MLB_PR/status/1204219506253451264?t=Cwyz6jfA8kI9X30Owu8Mug&s=19

Here is the statement from when the newest deal was signed. Since the MLB and Players do not have a deal in place any joint projects can not continue as they don't have a deal. I hope I'm wrong but the fact the teams can do any articles or features for players on their website it's responsible to assume this extends to digital repenstaions of players on that team.

completely false, the lockout has zero impact on mlb ts22 outside of roster updates and programs

Did you see his post that is right above yours?

SDS

@dap1234567890 said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@guccigangchuck said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

This is a different deal.

The reason we haven't heard from MLB 22 is likely due to no collective bargain in place as such you can't have players be shown in MLB team uniforms.

The last MLB game that was impacted by a lockout were in 1994 and in that year the games were MLBPA branded game and no actual MLB teams

There is a good chance that MLB 22 is delayed until the lockout is ended then released a week later if this extends into the season. MLB the show is based on an agreement signed by MLB and MLBPA so been collective bargaining when so did any agreements in place and are frozen

But everyone else is saying that all the player likenesses come through a contract with Topps (or something along those lines), which means that the game could go on like it did in 2020, just no roster updates or Topps Now until it begins.

That's definitely not true

https://twitter.com/MLB_PR/status/1204219506253451264?t=Cwyz6jfA8kI9X30Owu8Mug&s=19

Here is the statement from when the newest deal was signed. Since the MLB and Players do not have a deal in place any joint projects can not continue as they don't have a deal. I hope I'm wrong but the fact the teams can do any articles or features for players on their website it's responsible to assume this extends to digital repenstaions of players on that team.

completely false, the lockout has zero impact on mlb ts22 outside of roster updates and programs

Did you see his post that is right above yours?

no i did not

SDS

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

Turns out that the agreement in place for the game operates outside of the collective bargain agreement so the lockout and no deal in place has no impact of the games release. SDS has gone silent since the release of the new showdown and the schedule not updated. The likely hood is that the next time we here from SDS will be about 22 in some capacity

That's great news, where or how did you find this out? I'm not questioning the validity, I would just love to learn more about the whole thing. Thanks for posting.

SDS

@ericulous1_psn said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

Turns out that the agreement in place for the game operates outside of the collective bargain agreement so the lockout and no deal in place has no impact of the games release. SDS has gone silent since the release of the new showdown and the schedule not updated. The likely hood is that the next time we here from SDS will be about 22 in some capacity

That's great news, where or how did you find this out? I'm not questioning the validity, I would just love to learn more about the whole thing. Thanks for posting.

I read the same thing in the news today. It's actually making MLB level headlines. It's true. The Show will go on!

ETA I could be wrong now that I tried to search a link for you, and this was all I could find:

https://gamerant.com/mlb-the-show-22-lockout-impact-possible-delay-cancelation/

Ruh-roh....

SDS

@vk_ratliff_psn said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

@ericulous1_psn said in [How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?](/postthat /458505):

@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in How was MLBTS 20 aka, covid Show?:

Turns out that the agreement in place for the game operates outside of the collective bargain agreement so the lockout and no deal in place has no impact of the games release. SDS has gone silent since the release of the new showdown and the schedule not updated. The likely hood is that the next time we here from SDS will be about 22 in some capacity

That's great news, where or how did you find this out? I'm not questioning the validity, I would just love to learn more about the whole thing. Thanks for posting.

I read the same thing in the news today. It's actually making MLB level headlines. It's true. The Show will go on!

ETA I could be wrong now that I tried to search a link for you, and this was all I could find:

https://gamerant.com/mlb-the-show-22-lockout-impact-possible-delay-cancelation/

Ruh-roh....

That game rant article was what kinda started this debate in another thread. But as several people mentioned, they are kinda just click bait and have no facts to back them up. I don't know, I never really read their stuff.

SDS

I seriously read an article that said the Show has a separate agreement and they'll be fine. I was surprised when I couldn't find it on google.