Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever"
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Here is an article on Cobb
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ty-cobb-numbers-article-1.2466507Cobb was the greatest all around player ever IMO.
Everyone wants to keep discluding Ruth's pitching.
I did not saying anything about his pitching, IMO which I am entitled to is Cobb, Comparing Cobb to Ruth, is do you value Power over the Best hitter ever to play the game, One of the best base runners ever to play the game, I am not discrediting anything Ruth did but IMO it is COBB so get over it that I think Cobb was the best all around player ever.
Modern mathematics literally tells us that guys who hit for power but strikeout more are much more valuable that contact hitters who rarely strikeout but hit less HRs.
Thing is, Ruth hit for power while hitting .360 still, it’s not close dude. Cobb is top ten but he’s not one.
Can you prove that or is that your opinion, I presented my side with what I think based off facts and as well as what Ruth said about Cobb himself.
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Articles are being posted every day about Ohtani having the "Greatest Season Ever". Ohtani is about to hit the impressive 9 WAR in a season club, this is an elite club that certainly gives credit to this argument, right.
Ohtani's season is on track to be 130th all-time in WAR. For my non-sabermetrics guys, that basically means it isn't the greatest season ever, it isn't even close.
But who has the greatest season ever? Babe Ruth in 1923, the man who Ohtani is often compared to, with a 14.2 WAR season, more WAR than Ohtani has amassed in his MLB career.
How about the 2nd greatest season ever? That goes to a man by the name of Babe Ruth, who in 1921 posted a 12.9 WAR season.
How about the 3rd greatest season ever? That title goes to little-known former superstar by the name of George, George Herman, or as you may know him... Babe Ruth, with 12.6 WAR in 1927.
As a matter of fact, 5 of the 10 greatest seasons ever, and 6 of the top 11, belong to Babe Ruth.
So Shohei Ohtani, "The Next Babe Ruth" is on pace to have the 130th best season ever, whereas Ruth has half of the top 10 best seasons ever, including the top 3.
Ruth had 16 years where he played at least 100 games. This Ohtani season people are calling maybe the best in MLB history, would only be Ruth's 11th best season, and a down year for him.
Let's end with some stats simpler:
Ohtani 2021 OPS: .986
Ruth career OPS: 1.164
Ruth 1919-1924 OPS: 1.262Ohtani 2021 ERA: 3.31
Babe Ruth career ERA: 2.28Let's stop comparing a .260 hitter to a dude who hit over .370 for half a dozen seasons, to a dude who hit more home runs than the entire American League in seasons, and to a dude who beats him in almost any stat. And before the argument that Ruth played in an easier time: (1) Ruth didn't chose his era and if it was so much easier, why was he vastly better than ever other player?
I’d like to see Shohei’s numbers against 1920s pitchers and hitters…
White only? Check.
Low velo? Check.
Strength training? Nah.
Hot dogs and beer? Of course.You can’t compare the hot dogs and beer today to the hot dogs and beer back then.
Today we have hot dogs with out nitrates and you have a wider selection and transparency of what goes into that Weiner. You can get an all beef dog, veggie dog, now of days at most stadiums.
Also beer has healthier options or lower cal options today.
But did they have India Pale Ale back then?
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Here is an article on Cobb
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ty-cobb-numbers-article-1.2466507Cobb was the greatest all around player ever IMO.
Everyone wants to keep discluding Ruth's pitching.
I did not saying anything about his pitching, IMO which I am entitled to is Cobb, Comparing Cobb to Ruth, is do you value Power over the Best hitter ever to play the game, One of the best base runners ever to play the game, I am not discrediting anything Ruth did but IMO it is COBB so get over it that I think Cobb was the best all around player ever.
All around includes pitching though should it not? Or is that Super all around? We are talking about it in a thread about Ohtani.
I have already stated what I think of Ohtani, We are talking about who had the best season ever and who is the best ever. You know what it comes down to opinion. You all need to get over it that I think it is Cobb. I am not arguing that you are wrong to think it is Ruth. For some reason you do not like that I said Cobb. You two are Homers.
LOL
We’re homers for thinking the guy with 32 more WAR is better, hear that?
For reference that’s the same WAR difference between Derek Jeter and Jason Heyward.
I can’t tell if your trolling by this point, you even cited that he’s 6th in WAR all time and still think he’s the best
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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Here is an article on Cobb
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ty-cobb-numbers-article-1.2466507Cobb was the greatest all around player ever IMO.
Everyone wants to keep discluding Ruth's pitching.
I did not saying anything about his pitching, IMO which I am entitled to is Cobb, Comparing Cobb to Ruth, is do you value Power over the Best hitter ever to play the game, One of the best base runners ever to play the game, I am not discrediting anything Ruth did but IMO it is COBB so get over it that I think Cobb was the best all around player ever.
Modern mathematics literally tells us that guys who hit for power but strikeout more are much more valuable that contact hitters who rarely strikeout but hit less HRs.
Thing is, Ruth hit for power while hitting .360 still, it’s not close dude. Cobb is top ten but he’s not one.
Can you prove that or is that your opinion, I presented my side with what I think based off facts and as well as what Ruth said about Cobb himself.
Can I prove that modern math values power with strikeouts over contact? Yeah it’s called WAR.
Joey Gallo is batting .201 and he’s having an amazing season this year, 4.1 WAR so far.Or an even better comparison, using the actual players. Ruth has 32 more WAR than Cobb, that’s a huge difference
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WAR - what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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Here is an article on Cobb
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ty-cobb-numbers-article-1.2466507Cobb was the greatest all around player ever IMO.
Everyone wants to keep discluding Ruth's pitching.
I did not saying anything about his pitching, IMO which I am entitled to is Cobb, Comparing Cobb to Ruth, is do you value Power over the Best hitter ever to play the game, One of the best base runners ever to play the game, I am not discrediting anything Ruth did but IMO it is COBB so get over it that I think Cobb was the best all around player ever.
All around includes pitching though should it not? Or is that Super all around? We are talking about it in a thread about Ohtani.
I have already stated what I think of Ohtani, We are talking about who had the best season ever and who is the best ever. You know what it comes down to opinion. You all need to get over it that I think it is Cobb. I am not arguing that you are wrong to think it is Ruth. For some reason you do not like that I said Cobb. You two are Homers.
LOL
We’re homers for thinking the guy with 32 more WAR is better, hear that?
For reference that’s the same WAR difference between Derek Jeter and Jason Heyward.
I can’t tell if your trolling by this point, you even cited that he’s 6th in WAR all time and still think he’s the best
Trolling I am not trolling you asked me remember why I said Cobb, you refuse to accept my opinion. I found an article that Ruth said it himself. You two are the ones Trolling. As long as you want to keep going we can, I do not think at this point there is much more to say, You should respect my opinion and move on, I have no problem that you say it is Ruth for some reason you can not get over why I said it is Cobb. At the end of the day it is an opinion is it not.
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Articles are being posted every day about Ohtani having the "Greatest Season Ever". Ohtani is about to hit the impressive 9 WAR in a season club, this is an elite club that certainly gives credit to this argument, right.
Ohtani's season is on track to be 130th all-time in WAR. For my non-sabermetrics guys, that basically means it isn't the greatest season ever, it isn't even close.
But who has the greatest season ever? Babe Ruth in 1923, the man who Ohtani is often compared to, with a 14.2 WAR season, more WAR than Ohtani has amassed in his MLB career.
How about the 2nd greatest season ever? That goes to a man by the name of Babe Ruth, who in 1921 posted a 12.9 WAR season.
How about the 3rd greatest season ever? That title goes to little-known former superstar by the name of George, George Herman, or as you may know him... Babe Ruth, with 12.6 WAR in 1927.
As a matter of fact, 5 of the 10 greatest seasons ever, and 6 of the top 11, belong to Babe Ruth.
So Shohei Ohtani, "The Next Babe Ruth" is on pace to have the 130th best season ever, whereas Ruth has half of the top 10 best seasons ever, including the top 3.
Ruth had 16 years where he played at least 100 games. This Ohtani season people are calling maybe the best in MLB history, would only be Ruth's 11th best season, and a down year for him.
Let's end with some stats simpler:
Ohtani 2021 OPS: .986
Ruth career OPS: 1.164
Ruth 1919-1924 OPS: 1.262Ohtani 2021 ERA: 3.31
Babe Ruth career ERA: 2.28Let's stop comparing a .260 hitter to a dude who hit over .370 for half a dozen seasons, to a dude who hit more home runs than the entire American League in seasons, and to a dude who beats him in almost any stat. And before the argument that Ruth played in an easier time: (1) Ruth didn't chose his era and if it was so much easier, why was he vastly better than ever other player?
I’d like to see Shohei’s numbers against 1920s pitchers and hitters…
White only? Check.
Low velo? Check.
Strength training? Nah.
Hot dogs and beer? Of course.You can’t compare the hot dogs and beer today to the hot dogs and beer back then.
Today we have hot dogs with out nitrates and you have a wider selection and transparency of what goes into that Weiner. You can get an all beef dog, veggie dog, now of days at most stadiums.
Also beer has healthier options or lower cal options today.
But did they have India Pale Ale back
Yes they did! IPAs were popular by the early 1800s in England and certainly found fans in America by the 20th Century. Though prohibition would have slowed it’s growth in the States.
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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Here is an article on Cobb
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ty-cobb-numbers-article-1.2466507Cobb was the greatest all around player ever IMO.
Everyone wants to keep discluding Ruth's pitching.
I did not saying anything about his pitching, IMO which I am entitled to is Cobb, Comparing Cobb to Ruth, is do you value Power over the Best hitter ever to play the game, One of the best base runners ever to play the game, I am not discrediting anything Ruth did but IMO it is COBB so get over it that I think Cobb was the best all around player ever.
Modern mathematics literally tells us that guys who hit for power but strikeout more are much more valuable that contact hitters who rarely strikeout but hit less HRs.
Thing is, Ruth hit for power while hitting .360 still, it’s not close dude. Cobb is top ten but he’s not one.
Can you prove that or is that your opinion, I presented my side with what I think based off facts and as well as what Ruth said about Cobb himself.
Can I prove that modern math values power with strikeouts over contact? Yeah it’s called WAR.
Joey Gallo is batting .201 and he’s having an amazing season this year, 4.1 WAR so far.Or an even better comparison, using the actual players. Ruth has 32 more WAR than Cobb, that’s a huge difference
He would have Richie Ashburn as a better hitter than Trout under his qualifications. Higher BA, more hits, lower Ks.
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Here is an article on Cobb
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ty-cobb-numbers-article-1.2466507Cobb was the greatest all around player ever IMO.
Everyone wants to keep discluding Ruth's pitching.
I did not saying anything about his pitching, IMO which I am entitled to is Cobb, Comparing Cobb to Ruth, is do you value Power over the Best hitter ever to play the game, One of the best base runners ever to play the game, I am not discrediting anything Ruth did but IMO it is COBB so get over it that I think Cobb was the best all around player ever.
All around includes pitching though should it not? Or is that Super all around? We are talking about it in a thread about Ohtani.
I have already stated what I think of Ohtani, We are talking about who had the best season ever and who is the best ever. You know what it comes down to opinion. You all need to get over it that I think it is Cobb. I am not arguing that you are wrong to think it is Ruth. For some reason you do not like that I said Cobb. You two are Homers.
LOL
We’re homers for thinking the guy with 32 more WAR is better, hear that?
For reference that’s the same WAR difference between Derek Jeter and Jason Heyward.
I can’t tell if your trolling by this point, you even cited that he’s 6th in WAR all time and still think he’s the best
Trolling I am not trolling you asked me remember why I said Cobb, you refuse to accept my opinion. I found an article that Ruth said it himself. You two are the ones Trolling. As long as you want to keep going we can, I do not think at this point there is much more to say, You should respect my opinion and move on, I have no problem that you say it is Ruth for some reason you can not get over why I said it is Cobb. At the end of the day it is an opinion is it not.
I accept that it’s your opinion, I also know that it’s wrong. My opinion could be that Brett Gardner is better than Ty Cobb and it would be a bad take if math and stats proves me wrong.
Like that’s like you showing me the stats that say Cobb is better than Gardner and I’m just responding with “Yes but my opinion is that Gardner is better” that’s not how debates work.
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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Here is an article on Cobb
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ty-cobb-numbers-article-1.2466507Cobb was the greatest all around player ever IMO.
Everyone wants to keep discluding Ruth's pitching.
I did not saying anything about his pitching, IMO which I am entitled to is Cobb, Comparing Cobb to Ruth, is do you value Power over the Best hitter ever to play the game, One of the best base runners ever to play the game, I am not discrediting anything Ruth did but IMO it is COBB so get over it that I think Cobb was the best all around player ever.
All around includes pitching though should it not? Or is that Super all around? We are talking about it in a thread about Ohtani.
I have already stated what I think of Ohtani, We are talking about who had the best season ever and who is the best ever. You know what it comes down to opinion. You all need to get over it that I think it is Cobb. I am not arguing that you are wrong to think it is Ruth. For some reason you do not like that I said Cobb. You two are Homers.
LOL
We’re homers for thinking the guy with 32 more WAR is better, hear that?
For reference that’s the same WAR difference between Derek Jeter and Jason Heyward.
I can’t tell if your trolling by this point, you even cited that he’s 6th in WAR all time and still think he’s the best
WAR is not the End All be All, I was pointing out that 1-6 is not a huge difference. Get off your high horse already man. Understand that I THINK COBB IS THE BEST EVER i WILL SAY IT AGAIN I THINK COBB IS THE BEST EVER and again I THINK COBB IS THE BEST EVER, DO YOU GET IT YET OR DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE.
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He says we can’t dispute him because it’s his opinion but then when we make an objective argument using numbers it’s “yankee bias”, crazy
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Here is an article on Cobb
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ty-cobb-numbers-article-1.2466507Cobb was the greatest all around player ever IMO.
Everyone wants to keep discluding Ruth's pitching.
I did not saying anything about his pitching, IMO which I am entitled to is Cobb, Comparing Cobb to Ruth, is do you value Power over the Best hitter ever to play the game, One of the best base runners ever to play the game, I am not discrediting anything Ruth did but IMO it is COBB so get over it that I think Cobb was the best all around player ever.
All around includes pitching though should it not? Or is that Super all around? We are talking about it in a thread about Ohtani.
I have already stated what I think of Ohtani, We are talking about who had the best season ever and who is the best ever. You know what it comes down to opinion. You all need to get over it that I think it is Cobb. I am not arguing that you are wrong to think it is Ruth. For some reason you do not like that I said Cobb. You two are Homers.
LOL
We’re homers for thinking the guy with 32 more WAR is better, hear that?
For reference that’s the same WAR difference between Derek Jeter and Jason Heyward.
I can’t tell if your trolling by this point, you even cited that he’s 6th in WAR all time and still think he’s the best
Trolling I am not trolling you asked me remember why I said Cobb, you refuse to accept my opinion. I found an article that Ruth said it himself. You two are the ones Trolling. As long as you want to keep going we can, I do not think at this point there is much more to say, You should respect my opinion and move on, I have no problem that you say it is Ruth for some reason you can not get over why I said it is Cobb. At the end of the day it is an opinion is it not.
I accept that it’s your opinion, I also know that it’s wrong. My opinion could be that Brett Gardner is better than Ty Cobb and it would be a bad take if math and stats proves me wrong.
Like that’s like you showing me the stats that say Cobb is better than Gardner and I’m just responding with “Yes but my opinion is that Gardner is better” that’s not how debates work.
LOL OPINION can not be wrong, RUTH said it himself so I guess he was wrong to right.
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Here is an article on Cobb
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ty-cobb-numbers-article-1.2466507Cobb was the greatest all around player ever IMO.
Everyone wants to keep discluding Ruth's pitching.
I did not saying anything about his pitching, IMO which I am entitled to is Cobb, Comparing Cobb to Ruth, is do you value Power over the Best hitter ever to play the game, One of the best base runners ever to play the game, I am not discrediting anything Ruth did but IMO it is COBB so get over it that I think Cobb was the best all around player ever.
All around includes pitching though should it not? Or is that Super all around? We are talking about it in a thread about Ohtani.
I have already stated what I think of Ohtani, We are talking about who had the best season ever and who is the best ever. You know what it comes down to opinion. You all need to get over it that I think it is Cobb. I am not arguing that you are wrong to think it is Ruth. For some reason you do not like that I said Cobb. You two are Homers.
LOL
We’re homers for thinking the guy with 32 more WAR is better, hear that?
For reference that’s the same WAR difference between Derek Jeter and Jason Heyward.
I can’t tell if your trolling by this point, you even cited that he’s 6th in WAR all time and still think he’s the best
Trolling I am not trolling you asked me remember why I said Cobb, you refuse to accept my opinion. I found an article that Ruth said it himself. You two are the ones Trolling. As long as you want to keep going we can, I do not think at this point there is much more to say, You should respect my opinion and move on, I have no problem that you say it is Ruth for some reason you can not get over why I said it is Cobb. At the end of the day it is an opinion is it not.
I accept that it’s your opinion, I also know that it’s wrong. My opinion could be that Brett Gardner is better than Ty Cobb and it would be a bad take if math and stats proves me wrong.
Like that’s like you showing me the stats that say Cobb is better than Gardner and I’m just responding with “Yes but my opinion is that Gardner is better” that’s not how debates work.
LOL OPINION can not be wrong, RUTH said it himself so I guess he was wrong to right.
There would be nothing to debate if you said that, it would be what you think and would not be worth the time to argue that.
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Here is an article on Cobb
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ty-cobb-numbers-article-1.2466507Cobb was the greatest all around player ever IMO.
Everyone wants to keep discluding Ruth's pitching.
I did not saying anything about his pitching, IMO which I am entitled to is Cobb, Comparing Cobb to Ruth, is do you value Power over the Best hitter ever to play the game, One of the best base runners ever to play the game, I am not discrediting anything Ruth did but IMO it is COBB so get over it that I think Cobb was the best all around player ever.
All around includes pitching though should it not? Or is that Super all around? We are talking about it in a thread about Ohtani.
I have already stated what I think of Ohtani, We are talking about who had the best season ever and who is the best ever. You know what it comes down to opinion. You all need to get over it that I think it is Cobb. I am not arguing that you are wrong to think it is Ruth. For some reason you do not like that I said Cobb. You two are Homers.
LOL
We’re homers for thinking the guy with 32 more WAR is better, hear that?
For reference that’s the same WAR difference between Derek Jeter and Jason Heyward.
I can’t tell if your trolling by this point, you even cited that he’s 6th in WAR all time and still think he’s the best
WAR is not the End All be All, I was pointing out that 1-6 is not a huge difference. Get off your high horse already man. Understand that I THINK COBB IS THE BEST EVER i WILL SAY IT AGAIN I THINK COBB IS THE BEST EVER and again I THINK COBB IS THE BEST EVER, DO YOU GET IT YET OR DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE.
WAR isn’t the end all be all, that’s hits, batting average, and strikeouts, right?
So ignore WAR, go look at OPS, OPS+, wRC+ Then… all stats which are generally accepted to paint a much better picture than batting average
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Here is an article on Cobb
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ty-cobb-numbers-article-1.2466507Cobb was the greatest all around player ever IMO.
Everyone wants to keep discluding Ruth's pitching.
I did not saying anything about his pitching, IMO which I am entitled to is Cobb, Comparing Cobb to Ruth, is do you value Power over the Best hitter ever to play the game, One of the best base runners ever to play the game, I am not discrediting anything Ruth did but IMO it is COBB so get over it that I think Cobb was the best all around player ever.
All around includes pitching though should it not? Or is that Super all around? We are talking about it in a thread about Ohtani.
I have already stated what I think of Ohtani, We are talking about who had the best season ever and who is the best ever. You know what it comes down to opinion. You all need to get over it that I think it is Cobb. I am not arguing that you are wrong to think it is Ruth. For some reason you do not like that I said Cobb. You two are Homers.
LOL
We’re homers for thinking the guy with 32 more WAR is better, hear that?
For reference that’s the same WAR difference between Derek Jeter and Jason Heyward.
I can’t tell if your trolling by this point, you even cited that he’s 6th in WAR all time and still think he’s the best
Trolling I am not trolling you asked me remember why I said Cobb, you refuse to accept my opinion. I found an article that Ruth said it himself. You two are the ones Trolling. As long as you want to keep going we can, I do not think at this point there is much more to say, You should respect my opinion and move on, I have no problem that you say it is Ruth for some reason you can not get over why I said it is Cobb. At the end of the day it is an opinion is it not.
I accept that it’s your opinion, I also know that it’s wrong. My opinion could be that Brett Gardner is better than Ty Cobb and it would be a bad take if math and stats proves me wrong.
Like that’s like you showing me the stats that say Cobb is better than Gardner and I’m just responding with “Yes but my opinion is that Gardner is better” that’s not how debates work.
LOL OPINION can not be wrong, RUTH said it himself so I guess he was wrong to right.
So if I said Gardner is the GOAT I can’t be wrong since it’s my opinion? So I am in fact right that Gardner is the greatest baseball player ever by your logic
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
He says we can’t dispute him because it’s his opinion but then when we make an objective argument using numbers it’s “yankee bias”, crazy
You can dispute all you want, all you want, what it is it you are looking for, it is not going to change anything, I stated why and you do not like it, yes you are a homer that why you brought up Jeter and then Gallo who both are were Yankees.
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@jellyroll198_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
Articles are being posted every day about Ohtani having the "Greatest Season Ever". Ohtani is about to hit the impressive 9 WAR in a season club, this is an elite club that certainly gives credit to this argument, right.
Ohtani's season is on track to be 130th all-time in WAR. For my non-sabermetrics guys, that basically means it isn't the greatest season ever, it isn't even close.
But who has the greatest season ever? Babe Ruth in 1923, the man who Ohtani is often compared to, with a 14.2 WAR season, more WAR than Ohtani has amassed in his MLB career.
How about the 2nd greatest season ever? That goes to a man by the name of Babe Ruth, who in 1921 posted a 12.9 WAR season.
How about the 3rd greatest season ever? That title goes to little-known former superstar by the name of George, George Herman, or as you may know him... Babe Ruth, with 12.6 WAR in 1927.
As a matter of fact, 5 of the 10 greatest seasons ever, and 6 of the top 11, belong to Babe Ruth.
So Shohei Ohtani, "The Next Babe Ruth" is on pace to have the 130th best season ever, whereas Ruth has half of the top 10 best seasons ever, including the top 3.
Ruth had 16 years where he played at least 100 games. This Ohtani season people are calling maybe the best in MLB history, would only be Ruth's 11th best season, and a down year for him.
Let's end with some stats simpler:
Ohtani 2021 OPS: .986
Ruth career OPS: 1.164
Ruth 1919-1924 OPS: 1.262Ohtani 2021 ERA: 3.31
Babe Ruth career ERA: 2.28Let's stop comparing a .260 hitter to a dude who hit over .370 for half a dozen seasons, to a dude who hit more home runs than the entire American League in seasons, and to a dude who beats him in almost any stat. And before the argument that Ruth played in an easier time: (1) Ruth didn't chose his era and if it was so much easier, why was he vastly better than ever other player?
I’d like to see Shohei’s numbers against 1920s pitchers and hitters…
White only? Check.
Low velo? Check.
Strength training? Nah.
Hot dogs and beer? Of course.You can’t compare the hot dogs and beer today to the hot dogs and beer back then.
Today we have hot dogs with out nitrates and you have a wider selection and transparency of what goes into that Weiner. You can get an all beef dog, veggie dog, now of days at most stadiums.
Also beer has healthier options or lower cal options today.
But did they have India Pale Ale back
Yes they did! IPAs were popular by the early 1800s in England and certainly found fans in America by the 20th Century. Though prohibition would have slowed it’s growth in the States.
Thanks for that history!
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
He says we can’t dispute him because it’s his opinion but then when we make an objective argument using numbers it’s “yankee bias”, crazy
You can dispute all you want, all you want, what it is it you are looking for, it is not going to change anything, I stated why and you do not like it, yes you are a homer that why you brought up Jeter and then Gallo who both are were Yankees.
Gardner is the greatest player ever and I can’t be wrong since it’s an opinion.
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Here is an article on Cobb
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ty-cobb-numbers-article-1.2466507Cobb was the greatest all around player ever IMO.
Everyone wants to keep discluding Ruth's pitching.
I did not saying anything about his pitching, IMO which I am entitled to is Cobb, Comparing Cobb to Ruth, is do you value Power over the Best hitter ever to play the game, One of the best base runners ever to play the game, I am not discrediting anything Ruth did but IMO it is COBB so get over it that I think Cobb was the best all around player ever.
All around includes pitching though should it not? Or is that Super all around? We are talking about it in a thread about Ohtani.
I have already stated what I think of Ohtani, We are talking about who had the best season ever and who is the best ever. You know what it comes down to opinion. You all need to get over it that I think it is Cobb. I am not arguing that you are wrong to think it is Ruth. For some reason you do not like that I said Cobb. You two are Homers.
LOL
We’re homers for thinking the guy with 32 more WAR is better, hear that?
For reference that’s the same WAR difference between Derek Jeter and Jason Heyward.
I can’t tell if your trolling by this point, you even cited that he’s 6th in WAR all time and still think he’s the best
WAR is not the End All be All, I was pointing out that 1-6 is not a huge difference. Get off your high horse already man. Understand that I THINK COBB IS THE BEST EVER i WILL SAY IT AGAIN I THINK COBB IS THE BEST EVER and again I THINK COBB IS THE BEST EVER, DO YOU GET IT YET OR DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE.
WAR isn’t the end all be all, that’s hits, batting average, and strikeouts, right?
So ignore WAR, go look at OPS, OPS+, wRC+ Then… all stats which are generally accepted to paint a much better picture than batting average
there is more to WAR AND OPS you idiot get over it man Read what Ruth said in the article I posted enough said, There is nothing to win here, No stat you post will change what I think. You can think what ever you want. You act like Cobb is nothing compared to Ruth, Ruth stated Cobb is the best he ever saw.
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
He says we can’t dispute him because it’s his opinion but then when we make an objective argument using numbers it’s “yankee bias”, crazy
You can dispute all you want, all you want, what it is it you are looking for, it is not going to change anything, I stated why and you do not like it, yes you are a homer that why you brought up Jeter and then Gallo who both are were Yankees.
Gardner is the greatest player ever and I can’t be wrong since it’s an opinion.
Yes it is and you are entitled to that
