This is the patch that will turn people away
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@aaronjw76_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
I'd love to see some video examples of all these meatballs happening with pin point because majority of people here tend to exaggerate their feedback by about 200%
And if PPP is harder to execute perfect pitches then that's a good thing. The most accurate pitching mechanic SHOULD be the hardest to perfect.
I agree but the problem is not that the execution got harder. That's fine and it's a welcome change. The problem is the result when you do end up missing the perfect. How far will it be off from the mark? Does it depend on how much you miss and with what angle? Or does the game simply punish you for missing by throwing a very hittable pitch belt high?
As you can see it's not as simple as you and others before you are putting it. In my sample size so far, it is more random than it was before. And I don't like the randomness, that was THE issue last year.
Let's say if I miss by 5° on a late release, it will always end up in the same spot if I miss by those numbers. That's something I can work with, because I can calculate the margins and risk of throwing a certain pitch in a certain spot. I felt like that was present before but it isn't now. And that not knowing when the game will force one down the middle, THAT is my issue.
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@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@aaronjw76_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
I'd love to see some video examples of all these meatballs happening with pin point because majority of people here tend to exaggerate their feedback by about 200%
And if PPP is harder to execute perfect pitches then that's a good thing. The most accurate pitching mechanic SHOULD be the hardest to perfect.
I agree but the problem is not that the execution got harder. That's fine and it's a welcome change. The problem is the result when you do end up missing the perfect. How far will it be off from the mark? Does it depend on how much you miss and with what angle? Or does the game simply punish you for missing by throwing a very hittable pitch belt high?
As you can see it's not as simple as you and others before you are putting it. In my sample size so far, it is more random than it was before. And I don't like the randomness, that was THE issue last year.
Let's say if I miss by 5° on a late release, it will always end up in the same spot if I miss by those numbers. That's something I can work with, because I can calculate the margins and risk of throwing a certain pitch in a certain spot. I felt like that was present before but it isn't now. And that not knowing when the game will force one down the middle, THAT is my issue.
That makes sense to me. It definitely is completely random when you miss perfect. I really like that there’s a higher probability that you get punished when you mess up but I agree about how it would be nice to know what the risks are if you miss a certain way.
Like IRL if a pitcher is trying to throw a slider away but releases too early you know the risk is a hanger. In this game it could be a hanger, it could hit the black perfectly, or it could be in the dirt. No way of knowing
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Well obviously the patch DID break other things. Freeze offs caused by me doing a mound visit. I guess just don't do a mound visit and you'll be fine.
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SDS does this every year they have never gotten a game of thier s working properly until about 3/4 of the way through the season. Diseased chimps could do a better job than what SDS employs.
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@worterror_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
SDS does this every year they have never gotten a game of thier s working properly until about 3/4 of the way through the season. Diseased chimps could do a better job than what SDS employs.
You had to expect this with cross play and old gen and next gen consoles going against each other. It will smooth out once they phase out the older systems. Yeah, a long time to wait, but it should be better next year. I hope!
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Hopefully an earthquake takes thier headquarters down and causes all employees to be replaced
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Is it me or are exit velos on normal swings way lower now too
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@ny_giants4_life said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
Is it me or are exit velos on normal swings way lower now too
I noticed a similar trend, but my sample size wasn't great. So I figured I'd share and wait what the rest of the community experiences.
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@nash_524_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@aaronjw76_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
I'd love to see some video examples of all these meatballs happening with pin point because majority of people here tend to exaggerate their feedback by about 200%
And if PPP is harder to execute perfect pitches then that's a good thing. The most accurate pitching mechanic SHOULD be the hardest to perfect.
I agree but the problem is not that the execution got harder. That's fine and it's a welcome change. The problem is the result when you do end up missing the perfect. How far will it be off from the mark? Does it depend on how much you miss and with what angle? Or does the game simply punish you for missing by throwing a very hittable pitch belt high?
As you can see it's not as simple as you and others before you are putting it. In my sample size so far, it is more random than it was before. And I don't like the randomness, that was THE issue last year.
Let's say if I miss by 5° on a late release, it will always end up in the same spot if I miss by those numbers. That's something I can work with, because I can calculate the margins and risk of throwing a certain pitch in a certain spot. I felt like that was present before but it isn't now. And that not knowing when the game will force one down the middle, THAT is my issue.
That makes sense to me. It definitely is completely random when you miss perfect. I really like that there’s a higher probability that you get punished when you mess up but I agree about how it would be nice to know what the risks are if you miss a certain way.
Like IRL if a pitcher is trying to throw a slider away but releases too early you know the risk is a hanger. In this game it could be a hanger, it could hit the black perfectly, or it could be in the dirt. No way of knowing
Exactly. People assume I have issues with the input being made harder, but that's not the issue at all. It's the output for when you do not get a perfect or good release and how predictable the outcome will be. Throwing a pitch in the dirt or right down the middle on the exact same input where you missed with the same margins in the same location, that is the problem.
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@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@nash_524_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@letsgotopr_xbl said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
It’s way better. I only threw a handful of “perfects” the entire game. I wasn’t cheesed to death by contact swing, and if you don’t know how to pitch sequence, you’re gonna get touched up. This is the way it should be.
I'm referring to the fact that last year the game was horrible due to pitching being so random. Good releases could go down the middle. And now they fixed that issue, and yes pinpoint was very accurate. But if you can hit, you can hit those pitches on the black too. Has nothing to do with sequencing and everything to do with the ability to hit. And now they go I'm reverse to make it more random, because the average hitters cried hard. Again.
How is pitching more random? They just tightened up the thresholds to get perfect or good input. It didn’t increase the perfect radius from what I can see so far. That’s not adding randomness but rather adding skill imo
Just play man you'll see what I mean. A bit off makes pitches sail and go down the middle, very much like last year and even the year before to a certain extent. Missing a perfect is now punished heavier and having a "good" release doesn't mean anything, it can be a meatball if the game decides to do so. Again, just play a few games and you'll see.
To each their own, but I like the change. You’re basically telling people to get better at hitting pitches on the back while saying pitching needs to remain how easy it was. You still have control over your pitches. Get perfect every time. The strike zone isn’t that big so if you miss there’s a chance it will go back over the plate. Do you just want bad input to miss outside the zone every time for a ball? Completely different than last year because you didn’t have control. As you said good input got hung.
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@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@aaronjw76_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
I'd love to see some video examples of all these meatballs happening with pin point because majority of people here tend to exaggerate their feedback by about 200%
And if PPP is harder to execute perfect pitches then that's a good thing. The most accurate pitching mechanic SHOULD be the hardest to perfect.
I agree but the problem is not that the execution got harder. That's fine and it's a welcome change. The problem is the result when you do end up missing the perfect. How far will it be off from the mark? Does it depend on how much you miss and with what angle? Or does the game simply punish you for missing by throwing a very hittable pitch belt high?
As you can see it's not as simple as you and others before you are putting it. In my sample size so far, it is more random than it was before. And I don't like the randomness, that was THE issue last year.
Let's say if I miss by 5° on a late release, it will always end up in the same spot if I miss by those numbers. That's something I can work with, because I can calculate the margins and risk of throwing a certain pitch in a certain spot. I felt like that was present before but it isn't now. And that not knowing when the game will force one down the middle, THAT is my issue.
I see what you’re saying and that would be the ideal setup. But it’s kinda like the hitting. There is RNG involved. I guess since the PCI doesn’t represent the barrel the PPP system doesn’t represent the actual delivery
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@washednd_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@nash_524_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@letsgotopr_xbl said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
It’s way better. I only threw a handful of “perfects” the entire game. I wasn’t cheesed to death by contact swing, and if you don’t know how to pitch sequence, you’re gonna get touched up. This is the way it should be.
I'm referring to the fact that last year the game was horrible due to pitching being so random. Good releases could go down the middle. And now they fixed that issue, and yes pinpoint was very accurate. But if you can hit, you can hit those pitches on the black too. Has nothing to do with sequencing and everything to do with the ability to hit. And now they go I'm reverse to make it more random, because the average hitters cried hard. Again.
How is pitching more random? They just tightened up the thresholds to get perfect or good input. It didn’t increase the perfect radius from what I can see so far. That’s not adding randomness but rather adding skill imo
Just play man you'll see what I mean. A bit off makes pitches sail and go down the middle, very much like last year and even the year before to a certain extent. Missing a perfect is now punished heavier and having a "good" release doesn't mean anything, it can be a meatball if the game decides to do so. Again, just play a few games and you'll see.
You’re basically telling people to get better at hitting pitches on the back while saying pitching needs to remain how easy it was.
That's not what I said, don't put words in my mouth. Read my comments again if you have to.
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@washednd_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@aaronjw76_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
I'd love to see some video examples of all these meatballs happening with pin point because majority of people here tend to exaggerate their feedback by about 200%
And if PPP is harder to execute perfect pitches then that's a good thing. The most accurate pitching mechanic SHOULD be the hardest to perfect.
I agree but the problem is not that the execution got harder. That's fine and it's a welcome change. The problem is the result when you do end up missing the perfect. How far will it be off from the mark? Does it depend on how much you miss and with what angle? Or does the game simply punish you for missing by throwing a very hittable pitch belt high?
As you can see it's not as simple as you and others before you are putting it. In my sample size so far, it is more random than it was before. And I don't like the randomness, that was THE issue last year.
Let's say if I miss by 5° on a late release, it will always end up in the same spot if I miss by those numbers. That's something I can work with, because I can calculate the margins and risk of throwing a certain pitch in a certain spot. I felt like that was present before but it isn't now. And that not knowing when the game will force one down the middle, THAT is my issue.
I see what you’re saying and that would be the ideal setup. But it’s kinda like the hitting. There is RNG involved. I guess since the PCI doesn’t represent the barrel the PPP system doesn’t represent the actual delivery
Like I said, it's not about the input but about the output. I think it needs to be consistent based on the input and right now it doesn't seem that way. That's all I'm arguing.
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@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@aaronjw76_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
I'd love to see some video examples of all these meatballs happening with pin point because majority of people here tend to exaggerate their feedback by about 200%
And if PPP is harder to execute perfect pitches then that's a good thing. The most accurate pitching mechanic SHOULD be the hardest to perfect.
I agree but the problem is not that the execution got harder. That's fine and it's a welcome change. The problem is the result when you do end up missing the perfect. How far will it be off from the mark? Does it depend on how much you miss and with what angle? Or does the game simply punish you for missing by throwing a very hittable pitch belt high?
As you can see it's not as simple as you and others before you are putting it. In my sample size so far, it is more random than it was before. And I don't like the randomness, that was THE issue last year.
Let's say if I miss by 5° on a late release, it will always end up in the same spot if I miss by those numbers. That's something I can work with, because I can calculate the margins and risk of throwing a certain pitch in a certain spot. I felt like that was present before but it isn't now. And that not knowing when the game will force one down the middle, THAT is my issue.
Thank gawd the game isn't like how you want it. How sterile that would be. You seriously want to be able to predict baseball outcomes to that degree? You want the ball to ALWAYS end up in the same spot if you miss similarly with perfect pitching input? You want to be able to "calculate" how off a pitch is going to be? I think you, and people who want the game like you do, is why they fixed it.
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@vipersneak_mlbts said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@aaronjw76_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
I'd love to see some video examples of all these meatballs happening with pin point because majority of people here tend to exaggerate their feedback by about 200%
And if PPP is harder to execute perfect pitches then that's a good thing. The most accurate pitching mechanic SHOULD be the hardest to perfect.
I agree but the problem is not that the execution got harder. That's fine and it's a welcome change. The problem is the result when you do end up missing the perfect. How far will it be off from the mark? Does it depend on how much you miss and with what angle? Or does the game simply punish you for missing by throwing a very hittable pitch belt high?
As you can see it's not as simple as you and others before you are putting it. In my sample size so far, it is more random than it was before. And I don't like the randomness, that was THE issue last year.
Let's say if I miss by 5° on a late release, it will always end up in the same spot if I miss by those numbers. That's something I can work with, because I can calculate the margins and risk of throwing a certain pitch in a certain spot. I felt like that was present before but it isn't now. And that not knowing when the game will force one down the middle, THAT is my issue.
Thank gawd the game isn't like how you want it. How sterile that would be. You seriously want to be able to predict baseball outcomes to that degree? You want the ball to ALWAYS end up in the same spot if you miss similarly with perfect pitching input? You want to be able to "calculate" how off a pitch is going to be? I think you, and people who want the game like you do, is why they fixed it.
Yes, I do want that. And I'm not alone in that regard, pretty much every competitive player out there wants it this way and less RNG. That's why most of us hated last year's game. The only people who DON'T want this, are the average Joe's who need a RNG meatball down the middle every once in a while to get on the board.
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@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@vipersneak_mlbts said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@aaronjw76_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
I'd love to see some video examples of all these meatballs happening with pin point because majority of people here tend to exaggerate their feedback by about 200%
And if PPP is harder to execute perfect pitches then that's a good thing. The most accurate pitching mechanic SHOULD be the hardest to perfect.
I agree but the problem is not that the execution got harder. That's fine and it's a welcome change. The problem is the result when you do end up missing the perfect. How far will it be off from the mark? Does it depend on how much you miss and with what angle? Or does the game simply punish you for missing by throwing a very hittable pitch belt high?
As you can see it's not as simple as you and others before you are putting it. In my sample size so far, it is more random than it was before. And I don't like the randomness, that was THE issue last year.
Let's say if I miss by 5° on a late release, it will always end up in the same spot if I miss by those numbers. That's something I can work with, because I can calculate the margins and risk of throwing a certain pitch in a certain spot. I felt like that was present before but it isn't now. And that not knowing when the game will force one down the middle, THAT is my issue.
Thank gawd the game isn't like how you want it. How sterile that would be. You seriously want to be able to predict baseball outcomes to that degree? You want the ball to ALWAYS end up in the same spot if you miss similarly with perfect pitching input? You want to be able to "calculate" how off a pitch is going to be? I think you, and people who want the game like you do, is why they fixed it.
Yes, I do want that. And I'm not alone in that regard, pretty much every competitive player out there wants it this way and less RNG. That's why most of us hated last year's game. The only people who DON'T want this, are the average Joe's who need a RNG meatball down the middle every once in a while to get on the board.
I'm probably worse than an average joe, but I agree, I honestly want the output to match the input a lot more. I don't mind losing to better players at all, but it drives me up the wall to have even match-ups (or worse) clearly decided on things that are wholly computer-determined. Even if it would help me, I don't want the RNG meatballs in the game.
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@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@vipersneak_mlbts said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@aaronjw76_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
I'd love to see some video examples of all these meatballs happening with pin point because majority of people here tend to exaggerate their feedback by about 200%
And if PPP is harder to execute perfect pitches then that's a good thing. The most accurate pitching mechanic SHOULD be the hardest to perfect.
I agree but the problem is not that the execution got harder. That's fine and it's a welcome change. The problem is the result when you do end up missing the perfect. How far will it be off from the mark? Does it depend on how much you miss and with what angle? Or does the game simply punish you for missing by throwing a very hittable pitch belt high?
As you can see it's not as simple as you and others before you are putting it. In my sample size so far, it is more random than it was before. And I don't like the randomness, that was THE issue last year.
Let's say if I miss by 5° on a late release, it will always end up in the same spot if I miss by those numbers. That's something I can work with, because I can calculate the margins and risk of throwing a certain pitch in a certain spot. I felt like that was present before but it isn't now. And that not knowing when the game will force one down the middle, THAT is my issue.
Thank gawd the game isn't like how you want it. How sterile that would be. You seriously want to be able to predict baseball outcomes to that degree? You want the ball to ALWAYS end up in the same spot if you miss similarly with perfect pitching input? You want to be able to "calculate" how off a pitch is going to be? I think you, and people who want the game like you do, is why they fixed it.
Yes, I do want that. And I'm not alone in that regard, pretty much every competitive player out there wants it this way and less RNG. That why most of us hated last year's game. The only people who DON'T want this, are the average Joe's who need a RNG meatball down the middle every once in a while to get on the board.
I don't think every competitive player wants easy pitching and difficult hitting. Has to be a balance. I think you are just better at hitting so you want pitching to be easier than hitting. Pitching was too easy. That said, yes they are going to cater to the most players and not to a handful of elite joystick controllers who want sterile gameplay.
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@cbpm72_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@vipersneak_mlbts said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@aaronjw76_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
I'd love to see some video examples of all these meatballs happening with pin point because majority of people here tend to exaggerate their feedback by about 200%
And if PPP is harder to execute perfect pitches then that's a good thing. The most accurate pitching mechanic SHOULD be the hardest to perfect.
I agree but the problem is not that the execution got harder. That's fine and it's a welcome change. The problem is the result when you do end up missing the perfect. How far will it be off from the mark? Does it depend on how much you miss and with what angle? Or does the game simply punish you for missing by throwing a very hittable pitch belt high?
As you can see it's not as simple as you and others before you are putting it. In my sample size so far, it is more random than it was before. And I don't like the randomness, that was THE issue last year.
Let's say if I miss by 5° on a late release, it will always end up in the same spot if I miss by those numbers. That's something I can work with, because I can calculate the margins and risk of throwing a certain pitch in a certain spot. I felt like that was present before but it isn't now. And that not knowing when the game will force one down the middle, THAT is my issue.
Thank gawd the game isn't like how you want it. How sterile that would be. You seriously want to be able to predict baseball outcomes to that degree? You want the ball to ALWAYS end up in the same spot if you miss similarly with perfect pitching input? You want to be able to "calculate" how off a pitch is going to be? I think you, and people who want the game like you do, is why they fixed it.
Yes, I do want that. And I'm not alone in that regard, pretty much every competitive player out there wants it this way and less RNG. That's why most of us hated last year's game. The only people who DON'T want this, are the average Joe's who need a RNG meatball down the middle every once in a while to get on the board.
I'm probably worse than an average joe, but I agree, I honestly want the output to match the input a lot more. I don't mind losing to better players at all, but it drives me up the wall to have even match-ups (or worse) clearly decided on things that are wholly computer-determined. Even if it would help me, I don't want the RNG meatballs in the game.
Odd. I want to even be the pitcher who throws RNG meatballs. Why? Because that happens in baseball. Pitchers do that all the time.
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@vipersneak_mlbts said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@vipersneak_mlbts said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@aaronjw76_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
I'd love to see some video examples of all these meatballs happening with pin point because majority of people here tend to exaggerate their feedback by about 200%
And if PPP is harder to execute perfect pitches then that's a good thing. The most accurate pitching mechanic SHOULD be the hardest to perfect.
I agree but the problem is not that the execution got harder. That's fine and it's a welcome change. The problem is the result when you do end up missing the perfect. How far will it be off from the mark? Does it depend on how much you miss and with what angle? Or does the game simply punish you for missing by throwing a very hittable pitch belt high?
As you can see it's not as simple as you and others before you are putting it. In my sample size so far, it is more random than it was before. And I don't like the randomness, that was THE issue last year.
Let's say if I miss by 5° on a late release, it will always end up in the same spot if I miss by those numbers. That's something I can work with, because I can calculate the margins and risk of throwing a certain pitch in a certain spot. I felt like that was present before but it isn't now. And that not knowing when the game will force one down the middle, THAT is my issue.
Thank gawd the game isn't like how you want it. How sterile that would be. You seriously want to be able to predict baseball outcomes to that degree? You want the ball to ALWAYS end up in the same spot if you miss similarly with perfect pitching input? You want to be able to "calculate" how off a pitch is going to be? I think you, and people who want the game like you do, is why they fixed it.
Yes, I do want that. And I'm not alone in that regard, pretty much every competitive player out there wants it this way and less RNG. That why most of us hated last year's game. The only people who DON'T want this, are the average Joe's who need a RNG meatball down the middle every once in a while to get on the board.
I don't think every competitive player wants easy pitching and difficult hitting. Has to be a balance. I think you are just better at hitting so you want pitching to be easier than hitting. Pitching was too easy. That said, yes they are going to cater to the most players and not to a handful of elite joystick controllers who want sterile gameplay.
Let me clarify again, for the gazillionth time, that I agree with the argument that there needs to be more balance. There are two different things involved though and that is input and output. RNG is solely connected to output, not on the input. So if you make the perfect input harder to achieve but leave the output the way it was before, that would do the trick. A similar example in regards to hitting would be narrowing the perfect area on the barrel when you swing the bat - but when you do get that perfect hit the outcome will still be a good result. Do you understand what I'm trying to explain? These two things input and output are not the same but both are calculated for a result. Change the input parameters all you want, but leave the output alone.
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@vipersneak_mlbts said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@cbpm72_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@vipersneak_mlbts said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@raesone_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
@aaronjw76_psn said in This is the patch that will turn people away:
I'd love to see some video examples of all these meatballs happening with pin point because majority of people here tend to exaggerate their feedback by about 200%
And if PPP is harder to execute perfect pitches then that's a good thing. The most accurate pitching mechanic SHOULD be the hardest to perfect.
I agree but the problem is not that the execution got harder. That's fine and it's a welcome change. The problem is the result when you do end up missing the perfect. How far will it be off from the mark? Does it depend on how much you miss and with what angle? Or does the game simply punish you for missing by throwing a very hittable pitch belt high?
As you can see it's not as simple as you and others before you are putting it. In my sample size so far, it is more random than it was before. And I don't like the randomness, that was THE issue last year.
Let's say if I miss by 5° on a late release, it will always end up in the same spot if I miss by those numbers. That's something I can work with, because I can calculate the margins and risk of throwing a certain pitch in a certain spot. I felt like that was present before but it isn't now. And that not knowing when the game will force one down the middle, THAT is my issue.
Thank gawd the game isn't like how you want it. How sterile that would be. You seriously want to be able to predict baseball outcomes to that degree? You want the ball to ALWAYS end up in the same spot if you miss similarly with perfect pitching input? You want to be able to "calculate" how off a pitch is going to be? I think you, and people who want the game like you do, is why they fixed it.
Yes, I do want that. And I'm not alone in that regard, pretty much every competitive player out there wants it this way and less RNG. That's why most of us hated last year's game. The only people who DON'T want this, are the average Joe's who need a RNG meatball down the middle every once in a while to get on the board.
I'm probably worse than an average joe, but I agree, I honestly want the output to match the input a lot more. I don't mind losing to better players at all, but it drives me up the wall to have even match-ups (or worse) clearly decided on things that are wholly computer-determined. Even if it would help me, I don't want the RNG meatballs in the game.
Odd. I want to even be the pitcher who throws RNG meatballs. Why? Because that happens in baseball. Pitchers do that all the time.
Why is it odd? If we're being picky, you're wrong, because pitchers don't throw RNG meatballs in real life. They make mistakes in real life. It's not algorithmed that their pitches are going to hang. I'd like to see the game reflect genuine mistakes (of course the hitter still has to hit it) but altering the criteria of what contributes to those mistakes and when those mistakes when happen is a layer of artifice the real-life pitcher does not need to navigate.
