Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room
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@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
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We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
It's not false, he wasn't good enough to win MVP, he didn't win it... Even at his best with all of NY media and hype around him the best he could do is first loser.
Fact: he wasn't good enough to win. If he was, he would have.
That is an Ignorant statement. Plenty of HOF and great players never won the MVP but that does not mean they were not good enough, it means other players were a little bit better That season and how the Voters saw it. The person who wins does is not always the one who should have won.
Jeter played on a team that was immensely favored in any sort of media or voting type accomplishment. His entire career he was over hyped and held on a pedestal. His team had an owner spending ungodly amount on payroll far more than any team to be competitive. He literally had every single factor wholely and completely to his favor... And yet still could never put together a year deserving of MVP because he wasn't good enough. Slapping singles with a 130 ISO isn't going to get it done kiddo.
Jeter was flat out not good enough to be an MVP. He was not that caliber player. He is the Craig Biggio in pinstripes.
He was never MVP, and never deserved to be MVP... Not good enough at his best to be the most valuable player. Even with everything in his favor.
You will never get that card
I am not talking about that stupid card that is not what this is about. It is about facts, that fact is he is a HOF player, you can not deny what he did in the post season and what he did over his career, You sound like a jealous fan who hates on a team that does what it needs to do to win, Sports is about winning championship and getting the best players to do that. the Yankees did not win anything from 79 to 95. It is his fault that he played for a Owner who wanted to win? I wonder why the media loved him and hated Bonds. He did put together a year that was good enough. He just did not win. He had over 200 hits and batting 343, he scored 118 times, who plays hard every day, stays healthly, and does not get into trouble. Comes up clutch in the playoffs. Then the 240 hitter with 35 HR and k's over 200 times. Have a guy like Bonds and Arod two of the best hitters in the game choke in the playoffs.
I do think Jeter is an overrated defensive shortstop. I am not a yankee fan. or a Jeter fan.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
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We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
It's not false, he wasn't good enough to win MVP, he didn't win it... Even at his best with all of NY media and hype around him the best he could do is first loser.
Fact: he wasn't good enough to win. If he was, he would have.
That is an Ignorant statement. Plenty of HOF and great players never won the MVP but that does not mean they were not good enough, it means other players were a little bit better That season and how the Voters saw it. The person who wins does is not always the one who should have won.
Jeter played on a team that was immensely favored in any sort of media or voting type accomplishment. His entire career he was over hyped and held on a pedestal. His team had an owner spending ungodly amount on payroll far more than any team to be competitive. He literally had every single factor wholely and completely to his favor... And yet still could never put together a year deserving of MVP because he wasn't good enough. Slapping singles with a 130 ISO isn't going to get it done kiddo.
Jeter was flat out not good enough to be an MVP. He was not that caliber player. He is the Craig Biggio in pinstripes.
He was never MVP, and never deserved to be MVP... Not good enough at his best to be the most valuable player. Even with everything in his favor.
You will never get that card
2006 finished 2nd MVP Votting with an avg of 343, 214 hits, 118 runs scored, 97 RBIs and 34 stolen bases.Won a gold glove that year as well. Only K 104 times in 623 at bats.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
It's not false, he wasn't good enough to win MVP, he didn't win it... Even at his best with all of NY media and hype around him the best he could do is first loser.
Fact: he wasn't good enough to win. If he was, he would have.
That is an Ignorant statement. Plenty of HOF and great players never won the MVP but that does not mean they were not good enough, it means other players were a little bit better That season and how the Voters saw it. The person who wins does is not always the one who should have won.
Jeter played on a team that was immensely favored in any sort of media or voting type accomplishment. His entire career he was over hyped and held on a pedestal. His team had an owner spending ungodly amount on payroll far more than any team to be competitive. He literally had every single factor wholely and completely to his favor... And yet still could never put together a year deserving of MVP because he wasn't good enough. Slapping singles with a 130 ISO isn't going to get it done kiddo.
Jeter was flat out not good enough to be an MVP. He was not that caliber player. He is the Craig Biggio in pinstripes.
He was never MVP, and never deserved to be MVP... Not good enough at his best to be the most valuable player. Even with everything in his favor.
You will never get that card
You should research before you open your mouth. Biggio is nowhere close to the hitter that Jeter was, Jeter has 3,400 plus hits. Had over 200 8 times to Biggio 1 and Biggio had 3,060 hits both played 20 years. Jeter career BA 310 Biggio was 282. Try again.
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@asocial_grace said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
Jeter was a great hitter, but for the entirety of his career, by every advanced fielding metric, he was a below average fielder. Not even average — he was actually a liability with his glove. Garciaparra was better. J.J. Hardy was much better. Jeter hit his way to the Hall Of Fame, but it had zero to do with his defense.
But jump throws look cool!
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@asocial_grace said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
Jeter was a great hitter, but for the entirety of his career, by every advanced fielding metric, he was a below average fielder. Not even average — he was actually a liability with his glove. Garciaparra was better. J.J. Hardy was much better. Jeter hit his way to the Hall Of Fame, but it had zero to do with his defense.
This!
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@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
How about a Mariners Milestone 30/30 club Alex Rodriguez card then?
I think the 'roids disqualifies him from ever getting a card for any team ever, which is kind of messed up since it's not like the guys who got caught were the only ones doing it. How about an all steroid team or all cheaters team? Sosa, canseco?
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@schack-nizzle_xbl said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
How about a Mariners Milestone 30/30 club Alex Rodriguez card then?
I think the 'roids disqualifies him from ever getting a card for any team ever, which is kind of messed up since it's not like the guys who got caught were the only ones doing it. How about an all steroid team or all cheaters team? Sosa, canseco?
Arod is the Only big name that got caught after they started enforcing the suspension and bans for 3 offense.
I do not have an issue with the players on Roids late 80's and 90's cause baseball turned a blind eye to it. Never enforced it because it was good for baseball and put Fans in the seat with all the HR and excitement.
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I think the "over"simulation of a lot of the animations are the real elephant in the room. Double play on every single ground ball opportunity? Balls in the dirt to the first basemen are basically 100% of the time fielded perfectly... List goes on.
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@DarthVaderLight3_PSN
Yeah you’re right about that. I remember last year the outfielders seemed to track everything down and EVERYBODY hating that. I thought they would fix that, which they tried with the whole “first step” in the right or wrong direction but it doesn’t happen enough to make a difference. I’ve never seen real MLB outfielders take a direct line to a 100MPH rocket to the right center gap. I’ve always seen them run to the fence but whatever I guess.Now it seems they’re doing the same with the infielders. They track nearly everything down unless it’s perfectly hit in the 5-6, 4-6, or 3-4 holes. And when they do get balls going away from first, their arms are fully capable of throwing the runner out regardless of their arm rating.
Even little bloopers don’t make it out to the outfield because CPU’s turn around and run perfect routes behind the infield before the ball hits the ground.
I know I know, seems like a lot to complain about but it just feels like MLB 18 or 19 had it right
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@raesone_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
Derek Jeter was good but kind of overrated
no kind of about it
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Um...I think I'd know if there was an elephant in the room. My apartment is only 600 square feet, so it would get pretty cramped in here.
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@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
It's not false, he wasn't good enough to win MVP, he didn't win it... Even at his best with all of NY media and hype around him the best he could do is first loser.
Fact: he wasn't good enough to win. If he was, he would have.
That is an Ignorant statement. Plenty of HOF and great players never won the MVP but that does not mean they were not good enough, it means other players were a little bit better That season and how the Voters saw it. The person who wins does is not always the one who should have won.
Jeter played on a team that was immensely favored in any sort of media or voting type accomplishment. His entire career he was over hyped and held on a pedestal. His team had an owner spending ungodly amount on payroll far more than any team to be competitive. He literally had every single factor wholely and completely to his favor... And yet still could never put together a year deserving of MVP because he wasn't good enough. Slapping singles with a 130 ISO isn't going to get it done kiddo.
Jeter was flat out not good enough to be an MVP. He was not that caliber player. He is the Craig Biggio in pinstripes.
He was never MVP, and never deserved to be MVP... Not good enough at his best to be the most valuable player. Even with everything in his favor.
You will never get that card
I am not talking about that stupid card that is not what this is about. It is about facts, that fact is he is a HOF player, you can not deny what he did in the post season and what he did over his career, You sound like a jealous fan who hates on a team that does what it needs to do to win, Sports is about winning championship and getting the best players to do that. the Yankees did not win anything from 79 to 95. It is his fault that he played for a Owner who wanted to win? I wonder why the media loved him and hated Bonds. He did put together a year that was good enough. He just did not win. He had over 200 hits and batting 343, he scored 118 times, who plays hard every day, stays healthly, and does not get into trouble. Comes up clutch in the playoffs. Then the 240 hitter with 35 HR and k's over 200 times. Have a guy like Bonds and Arod two of the best hitters in the game choke in the playoffs.
I do think Jeter is an overrated defensive shortstop. I am not a yankee fan. or a Jeter fan.
I mean the MVP card is literally what this is about and what I commented on. The original post says he wants his MVP card. He never won MVP, he was never good enough to win MVP, hence why he never did. You can never get a Jeter MVP because he never was, end of story.
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@whitejw98_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
Um...I think I'd know if there was an elephant in the room. My apartment is only 600 square feet, so it would get pretty cramped in here.
lol thank you for this bit of gold in the morning
maybe a baby elephant could take up your whole kitchen and bedroom
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@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
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@gmoney-1234_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
It's not false, he wasn't good enough to win MVP, he didn't win it... Even at his best with all of NY media and hype around him the best he could do is first loser.
Fact: he wasn't good enough to win. If he was, he would have.
That is an Ignorant statement. Plenty of HOF and great players never won the MVP but that does not mean they were not good enough, it means other players were a little bit better That season and how the Voters saw it. The person who wins does is not always the one who should have won.
Jeter played on a team that was immensely favored in any sort of media or voting type accomplishment. His entire career he was over hyped and held on a pedestal. His team had an owner spending ungodly amount on payroll far more than any team to be competitive. He literally had every single factor wholely and completely to his favor... And yet still could never put together a year deserving of MVP because he wasn't good enough. Slapping singles with a 130 ISO isn't going to get it done kiddo.
Jeter was flat out not good enough to be an MVP. He was not that caliber player. He is the Craig Biggio in pinstripes.
He was never MVP, and never deserved to be MVP... Not good enough at his best to be the most valuable player. Even with everything in his favor.
You will never get that card
I am not talking about that stupid card that is not what this is about. It is about facts, that fact is he is a HOF player, you can not deny what he did in the post season and what he did over his career, You sound like a jealous fan who hates on a team that does what it needs to do to win, Sports is about winning championship and getting the best players to do that. the Yankees did not win anything from 79 to 95. It is his fault that he played for a Owner who wanted to win? I wonder why the media loved him and hated Bonds. He did put together a year that was good enough. He just did not win. He had over 200 hits and batting 343, he scored 118 times, who plays hard every day, stays healthly, and does not get into trouble. Comes up clutch in the playoffs. Then the 240 hitter with 35 HR and k's over 200 times. Have a guy like Bonds and Arod two of the best hitters in the game choke in the playoffs.
I do think Jeter is an overrated defensive shortstop. I am not a yankee fan. or a Jeter fan.
I mean the MVP card is literally what this is about and what I commented on. The original post says he wants his MVP card. He never won MVP, he was never good enough to win MVP, hence why he never did. You can never get a Jeter MVP because he never was, end of story.
You could have left the part out that he was never good enough, that is the part I am talking about. That statement is a false statement.
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If the topic is early 2000s shortstops, then let's acknowledge the true elephant in the room.
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We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
It's not false, he wasn't good enough to win MVP, he didn't win it... Even at his best with all of NY media and hype around him the best he could do is first loser.
Fact: he wasn't good enough to win. If he was, he would have.
That is an Ignorant statement. Plenty of HOF and great players never won the MVP but that does not mean they were not good enough, it means other players were a little bit better That season and how the Voters saw it. The person who wins does is not always the one who should have won.
Jeter played on a team that was immensely favored in any sort of media or voting type accomplishment. His entire career he was over hyped and held on a pedestal. His team had an owner spending ungodly amount on payroll far more than any team to be competitive. He literally had every single factor wholely and completely to his favor... And yet still could never put together a year deserving of MVP because he wasn't good enough. Slapping singles with a 130 ISO isn't going to get it done kiddo.
Jeter was flat out not good enough to be an MVP. He was not that caliber player. He is the Craig Biggio in pinstripes.
He was never MVP, and never deserved to be MVP... Not good enough at his best to be the most valuable player. Even with everything in his favor.
You will never get that card
I am not talking about that stupid card that is not what this is about. It is about facts, that fact is he is a HOF player, you can not deny what he did in the post season and what he did over his career, You sound like a jealous fan who hates on a team that does what it needs to do to win, Sports is about winning championship and getting the best players to do that. the Yankees did not win anything from 79 to 95. It is his fault that he played for a Owner who wanted to win? I wonder why the media loved him and hated Bonds. He did put together a year that was good enough. He just did not win. He had over 200 hits and batting 343, he scored 118 times, who plays hard every day, stays healthly, and does not get into trouble. Comes up clutch in the playoffs. Then the 240 hitter with 35 HR and k's over 200 times. Have a guy like Bonds and Arod two of the best hitters in the game choke in the playoffs.
I do think Jeter is an overrated defensive shortstop. I am not a yankee fan. or a Jeter fan.
I mean the MVP card is literally what this is about and what I commented on. The original post says he wants his MVP card. He never won MVP, he was never good enough to win MVP, hence why he never did. You can never get a Jeter MVP because he never was, end of story.
You could have left the part out that he was never good enough, that is the part I am talking about. That statement is a false statement.
It's not false, it's true. If he was good enough he would have, he was in an environment where his teams success makes him a candidate every year and the media favoritism towards his team gives him a boost as well. He could not have been in a better environment, his environment actually boosted his chances. He never put together a season deserving of it, he was never the best player, he was always outplayed.
That's why he has 0 MVP awards.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room:
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We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
It's not false, he wasn't good enough to win MVP, he didn't win it... Even at his best with all of NY media and hype around him the best he could do is first loser.
Fact: he wasn't good enough to win. If he was, he would have.
That is an Ignorant statement. Plenty of HOF and great players never won the MVP but that does not mean they were not good enough, it means other players were a little bit better That season and how the Voters saw it. The person who wins does is not always the one who should have won.
Jeter played on a team that was immensely favored in any sort of media or voting type accomplishment. His entire career he was over hyped and held on a pedestal. His team had an owner spending ungodly amount on payroll far more than any team to be competitive. He literally had every single factor wholely and completely to his favor... And yet still could never put together a year deserving of MVP because he wasn't good enough. Slapping singles with a 130 ISO isn't going to get it done kiddo.
Jeter was flat out not good enough to be an MVP. He was not that caliber player. He is the Craig Biggio in pinstripes.
He was never MVP, and never deserved to be MVP... Not good enough at his best to be the most valuable player. Even with everything in his favor.
You will never get that card
I am not talking about that stupid card that is not what this is about. It is about facts, that fact is he is a HOF player, you can not deny what he did in the post season and what he did over his career, You sound like a jealous fan who hates on a team that does what it needs to do to win, Sports is about winning championship and getting the best players to do that. the Yankees did not win anything from 79 to 95. It is his fault that he played for a Owner who wanted to win? I wonder why the media loved him and hated Bonds. He did put together a year that was good enough. He just did not win. He had over 200 hits and batting 343, he scored 118 times, who plays hard every day, stays healthly, and does not get into trouble. Comes up clutch in the playoffs. Then the 240 hitter with 35 HR and k's over 200 times. Have a guy like Bonds and Arod two of the best hitters in the game choke in the playoffs.
I do think Jeter is an overrated defensive shortstop. I am not a yankee fan. or a Jeter fan.
I mean the MVP card is literally what this is about and what I commented on. The original post says he wants his MVP card. He never won MVP, he was never good enough to win MVP, hence why he never did. You can never get a Jeter MVP because he never was, end of story.
You could have left the part out that he was never good enough, that is the part I am talking about. That statement is a false statement.
It's not false, it's true. If he was good enough he would have, he was in an environment where his teams success makes him a candidate every year and the media favoritism towards his team gives him a boost as well. He could not have been in a better environment, his environment actually boosted his chances. He never put together a season deserving of it, he was never the best player, he was always outplayed.
That's why he has 0 MVP awards.
You do not know how MVP's work, Many players had season where they deserved it and did not win. Every player in every sport who never who an MVP was not good enough to do so because the voters did not vote for them. You know nothing about sports and voters when it comes to these rewards. I see you just hate the yankees. You do not seem to know how to do research and post any facts to back up your statement. the 2006 team on paper really was not that great. Had a ton of Vet who knew how to win. You should try researching info stop with your opinion. Stop being jealous of teams that build winning culture aka environments.
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We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
It's not false, he wasn't good enough to win MVP, he didn't win it... Even at his best with all of NY media and hype around him the best he could do is first loser.
Fact: he wasn't good enough to win. If he was, he would have.
That is an Ignorant statement. Plenty of HOF and great players never won the MVP but that does not mean they were not good enough, it means other players were a little bit better That season and how the Voters saw it. The person who wins does is not always the one who should have won.
Jeter played on a team that was immensely favored in any sort of media or voting type accomplishment. His entire career he was over hyped and held on a pedestal. His team had an owner spending ungodly amount on payroll far more than any team to be competitive. He literally had every single factor wholely and completely to his favor... And yet still could never put together a year deserving of MVP because he wasn't good enough. Slapping singles with a 130 ISO isn't going to get it done kiddo.
Jeter was flat out not good enough to be an MVP. He was not that caliber player. He is the Craig Biggio in pinstripes.
He was never MVP, and never deserved to be MVP... Not good enough at his best to be the most valuable player. Even with everything in his favor.
You will never get that card
I am not talking about that stupid card that is not what this is about. It is about facts, that fact is he is a HOF player, you can not deny what he did in the post season and what he did over his career, You sound like a jealous fan who hates on a team that does what it needs to do to win, Sports is about winning championship and getting the best players to do that. the Yankees did not win anything from 79 to 95. It is his fault that he played for a Owner who wanted to win? I wonder why the media loved him and hated Bonds. He did put together a year that was good enough. He just did not win. He had over 200 hits and batting 343, he scored 118 times, who plays hard every day, stays healthly, and does not get into trouble. Comes up clutch in the playoffs. Then the 240 hitter with 35 HR and k's over 200 times. Have a guy like Bonds and Arod two of the best hitters in the game choke in the playoffs.
I do think Jeter is an overrated defensive shortstop. I am not a yankee fan. or a Jeter fan.
I mean the MVP card is literally what this is about and what I commented on. The original post says he wants his MVP card. He never won MVP, he was never good enough to win MVP, hence why he never did. You can never get a Jeter MVP because he never was, end of story.
You could have left the part out that he was never good enough, that is the part I am talking about. That statement is a false statement.
It's not false, it's true. If he was good enough he would have, he was in an environment where his teams success makes him a candidate every year and the media favoritism towards his team gives him a boost as well. He could not have been in a better environment, his environment actually boosted his chances. He never put together a season deserving of it, he was never the best player, he was always outplayed.
That's why he has 0 MVP awards.
You do not know how MVP's work, Many players had season where they deserved it and did not win. Every player in every sport who never who an MVP was not good enough to do so because the voters did not vote for them. You know nothing about sports and voters when it comes to these rewards. I see you just hate the yankees. You do not seem to know how to do research and post any facts to back up your statement. the 2006 team on paper really was not that great. Had a ton of Vet who knew how to win. You should try researching info stop with your opinion. Stop being jealous of teams that build winning culture aka environments.
I know exactly how MVPs work and why Jeter doesn't have one. He literally was never good enough. Long career, hall of famer, sure, but he was never anywhere close to best player in the league or most valuable, let alone he was never even the best SS in the AL.
He spent his career slapping singles (130 ISO) in one of the most hitter friendly parks on the most stacked teams of the steroid era.
You're literally arguing about a guy that never one MVP who couldn't have been in a better environment his entire career.
0 MVPs, sorry to break your heart kiddo.
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We all know the biggest issue this game faces is the fact all 2nd basemen and shortstops have Derek Jeter power and accuracy behind their arms when moving the opposite direction from and throwing to 1st base lol
Thousands upon thousands of hits stolen on what should be a rare play. And speaking of Jeter, when we gonna get an All-Star or Prime or MVP Jeter card??
Derek Jeter never won an MVP because he was never good enough to. So you won't ever see an MVP card of him.
He did finish top 3 three times in his career.
Funny way of saying he never won. The MVP card can't exist because he was never MVP.
Again I was just making a statement in response to saying he was never good enough. Not about him getting a card in a Video game. He did finish 2nd one of those years. To say he was never good enough is false statement.
It's not false, he wasn't good enough to win MVP, he didn't win it... Even at his best with all of NY media and hype around him the best he could do is first loser.
Fact: he wasn't good enough to win. If he was, he would have.
That is an Ignorant statement. Plenty of HOF and great players never won the MVP but that does not mean they were not good enough, it means other players were a little bit better That season and how the Voters saw it. The person who wins does is not always the one who should have won.
Jeter played on a team that was immensely favored in any sort of media or voting type accomplishment. His entire career he was over hyped and held on a pedestal. His team had an owner spending ungodly amount on payroll far more than any team to be competitive. He literally had every single factor wholely and completely to his favor... And yet still could never put together a year deserving of MVP because he wasn't good enough. Slapping singles with a 130 ISO isn't going to get it done kiddo.
Jeter was flat out not good enough to be an MVP. He was not that caliber player. He is the Craig Biggio in pinstripes.
He was never MVP, and never deserved to be MVP... Not good enough at his best to be the most valuable player. Even with everything in his favor.
You will never get that card
I am not talking about that stupid card that is not what this is about. It is about facts, that fact is he is a HOF player, you can not deny what he did in the post season and what he did over his career, You sound like a jealous fan who hates on a team that does what it needs to do to win, Sports is about winning championship and getting the best players to do that. the Yankees did not win anything from 79 to 95. It is his fault that he played for a Owner who wanted to win? I wonder why the media loved him and hated Bonds. He did put together a year that was good enough. He just did not win. He had over 200 hits and batting 343, he scored 118 times, who plays hard every day, stays healthly, and does not get into trouble. Comes up clutch in the playoffs. Then the 240 hitter with 35 HR and k's over 200 times. Have a guy like Bonds and Arod two of the best hitters in the game choke in the playoffs.
I do think Jeter is an overrated defensive shortstop. I am not a yankee fan. or a Jeter fan.
I mean the MVP card is literally what this is about and what I commented on. The original post says he wants his MVP card. He never won MVP, he was never good enough to win MVP, hence why he never did. You can never get a Jeter MVP because he never was, end of story.
You could have left the part out that he was never good enough, that is the part I am talking about. That statement is a false statement.
It's not false, it's true. If he was good enough he would have, he was in an environment where his teams success makes him a candidate every year and the media favoritism towards his team gives him a boost as well. He could not have been in a better environment, his environment actually boosted his chances. He never put together a season deserving of it, he was never the best player, he was always outplayed.
That's why he has 0 MVP awards.
You do not know how MVP's work, Many players had season where they deserved it and did not win. Every player in every sport who never who an MVP was not good enough to do so because the voters did not vote for them. You know nothing about sports and voters when it comes to these rewards. I see you just hate the yankees. You do not seem to know how to do research and post any facts to back up your statement. the 2006 team on paper really was not that great. Had a ton of Vet who knew how to win. You should try researching info stop with your opinion. Stop being jealous of teams that build winning culture aka environments.
I know exactly how MVPs work and why Jeter doesn't have one. He literally was never good enough. Long career, hall of famer, sure, but he was never anywhere close to best player in the league or most valuable, let alone he was never even the best SS in the AL.
He spent his career slapping singles (130 ISO) in one of the most hitter friendly parks on the most stacked teams of the steroid era.
You're literally arguing about a guy that never one MVP who couldn't have been in a better environment his entire career.
0 MVPs, sorry to break your heart kiddo.
First off I am not no kiddo you moron, second you have no clue. No point in continuing this conversation with someone who does not know baseball. You really should do your research. The 2006 team was not stacked. You should really go look at stuff before you just assume things. Why do you have a problem with how winning teams are built. Most teams that win are stacked with good players. Is'nt the point to build the best possible team to win. You just refuse to actually research stuff and just give your bias opinion. I already said he was an overrated Defensively SS. You should get your head out of you A$$
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The 2006 team was not stacked.
Team featured 4 HOF (w/ ARod a shoe-in for #5).
Add in "Hall of Very Good" Legends like Bernie, Posada, Cano, Abreu, Damon & Sheffield.
Not sure you can call that team anything but "stacked".
