Why this game is a disgrace for baseball
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@arealxswiftkill_xbl said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Im a game developer, so trust me Im not. Thing is you see things other people maybe not because you know the tools of the trade. But when you claim to be a realistic simulation, and have parameters in the batters like "plate discipline" its not just a game. Surely poses like one. My point is that they are luring baseball fans with a supposed great simulation experience, just to cash grab on everybody manipulating the outcome with shady mechanics like lowering the hitting positive outcome, so people are way more time playing because most of the games are low scoring games, like soccer. And then if you winn like 3 in a row, magically everything goes wrong on your next game, no matter what. Unless you find somebody who just bought the game.
what's your online record?
https://mlb21.theshow.com/universal_profiles/newPlayerOne257
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@tgn848_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
This is a video game dude, it’s not that serious
Funny, because when most people say something about the game playing poorly a lot of people on here say practice more….which indicates this board takes it way too seriously
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@hustlinowl_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Sorry but I disagree with a lot of your points and you seem to be all over the place. Just looking at your profile I have tons of questions
https://mlb21.theshow.com/universal_profiles/newPlayerOne257Whats wrong with my profile? and what points do you disagree on? Careful, being all over the place and hard to understand can be easily mistaken one with the other.
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@arealxswiftkill_xbl said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Im a game developer, so trust me Im not. Thing is you see things other people maybe not because you know the tools of the trade. But when you claim to be a realistic simulation, and have parameters in the batters like "plate discipline" its not just a game. Surely poses like one. My point is that they are luring baseball fans with a supposed great simulation experience, just to cash grab on everybody manipulating the outcome with shady mechanics like lowering the hitting positive outcome, so people are way more time playing because most of the games are low scoring games, like soccer. And then if you winn like 3 in a row, magically everything goes wrong on your next game, no matter what. Unless you find somebody who just bought the game.
what's your online record?
you mean playing this game? its low, I don't play often, just like 2-3 games a week at most. I think it's like 1680-something I wont take the time to find the number sorry, its around that. and no matter the score, I have no trouble with losing, its just the game its not what its selling out to be, if I may repeat myself. Getting used to swinging blindessly to supposedly hit the fastball in time, its not baseball, is batting lottery.
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@locutusofburg said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@tgn848_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
This is a video game dude, it’s not that serious
Funny, because when most people say something about the game playing poorly a lot of people on here say practice more….which indicates this board takes it way too seriously
Well if you practice into getting accustomed to things that are wrong, you are inbound to find some skill after a while. But I don't understand why when the changes required to make this a REAL baseball are so simple, we have to unlearn baseball to play this? I have a friend who was a ballplayer on his youth, and bought both the ps4 and the goddamn game just to relive the baseball experience, but he just told me, "I can't hit"
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@crimson_monk_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Most of your post is a frustration for me too. But using the pci is much more realistic than directional because you actually have to use hand eye coordination. I don’t care which one you use, they both have the same bs tho. Lots of questionable results. Pitching does make you hang pitches across the board unless you are able to be perfect every time on pinpoint.
The most frustrating thing is that if you try and play or pitch like real life, it isn’t as effective.. well pitching is for me at least but I coached college ball, but some of the results are laughable compared to the real. And most guys throw the same every with every pitcher and every at bat. It’s frustrating that I literally have my pci set on the spot yet the ball never goes anywhere 90 percent of the time .( yeah I’m looking at you high inside sinker or fastball guy) I can’t time it or if I do it is a weak pop up or a 490 foot foul homerun lol
lol yes man its laughable really, thats the sad thing, most of these kids that don't know what real baseball is, they are being misled! and then, when they go to the real thing, we may be losing a lot of maybe future pro players because they feel frustrated and ashamed, that they cannot use even 5% of whatever batting skill for instance they may have acquired in the game. I'm not saying that videogames or this one in particular should become your next virtual trainer haha, but at least give the kids a chance to understand a little of what baseball is really all about. If you gonna brag you are the real thing, act like it no?
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@nobuntcheese_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Cash grab? ive a 93 rated team from just playing the game, but i agree with hitting contact needs nerfed, Ive lost many games where the guy has bad pci placement just cause contact is so broken
yes, but how many hours? but forget about your team rating, congrats on that btw since its been an effort on your part nonetheless.
My point is: you want the player stats to influence the outcome? ok, I can live with that, but for instance, it should influence in the type of contact according to the landing zone of the pitch, its unbearable to see, some people think its a good pitching strategy throw you letter high fastball right down Broadway, just because its a mayor popup/ flyball producer.
My point in regards to the cash grab, is that if you observe, playing with people who has spent money on the game vs people that has not, you will see that the game heuristics (or backstage outcome handling) start to decline against you really quickly. they try not to be too obvious of course, but its there. If you pay enough attention you see it. If the other guy makes a serious effort, you will end up losing or in very very bad situations out of the blue.
Also in Dinasty mode, no matter who you have in the roster, if you pitching is bad and your batting timing is bad, you just likely lose, instead of magically win when you happen to do this right, and in the meantime the engine is holding the other guy back.
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Thats an awful lot of words to say "I suck at this game and i probably shouldn't be playing it"
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@tgn848_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
I think you’re really just overthinking a video game
you are right and we didn't even have to read his diatribe of an essay - just skimmed all the way down - surprised by the effort and time spent - typical TSN forum at its best lol
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Boy, this is a creepy post to look at. Sure, the guy may be upset, but he makes some valid points, some ideas that relate to how to make the game better, some things that he thinks occur in baseball that are not reflector in this simulation game. I could see debating with him, but you people gang up on anyone who looks at the game this way. "It's just a game?" No, way really? If it's so meaningless why are you reading a post on its message board. It's just a condescending way to speak to anyone. What does his score have to do with anything? He bought the game just like you, these are his consumer thoughts. You debate and discuss like children in junior high and honestly, I would have thought that a group of men playing a baseball game would have some level of decency and intelligence, I guess I was thinking of the real sorry not the video version. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, or my gamer score isn't high enough to be included in such a high brow discussion, but I can't say I'm impressed. At least one guy finished a book once and learned the word diatribe... It doesn't really fit here, but it's really pretentious, points for that.
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Hmm, i agree with you OP. I dislike trying to throw a pitch at the corner of the strike zone only to have it thrown down the middle for a homerun. I'm using the pitchers #1 pitch with 99 control. This happens way too much.
I also hate giving up a homerun on a pitch close to hitting the dirt. I know your pci can't reach that low under the zone, yet i give up a homerun. No a swing and miss, fowl tip or ground ball. Especially if its a sinker. I've had home runs hit on sliders, change ups, and sinkers clearly un hittable.
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That fact that you get to use the best of the best over the last 50+ years kind of throws a wrench in the whole wanting a true sim experience kind of thing.
And tldr but after a brief glance I didn't really see any valid ways to "fix" the game. You don't like zone hitting and you get mad about how useless directional is. So what's your solution? You dont want the part that takes skill and you don't want the part where you simply press x to swing.
I love how you "develop games" or used to play real baseball so you should automatically translate that to being great at the game and if your not then it's all the games fault. Is this game perfect? Heck no! Do I complain as well sure. But I swallow my pride pick myself up, dust off, and try again.
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@watsonoeh_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Boy, this is a creepy post to look at. Sure, the guy may be upset, but he makes some valid points, some ideas that relate to how to make the game better, some things that he thinks occur in baseball that are not reflector in this simulation game. I could see debating with him, but you people gang up on anyone who looks at the game this way. "It's just a game?" No, way really? If it's so meaningless why are you reading a post on its message board. It's just a condescending way to speak to anyone. What does his score have to do with anything? He bought the game just like you, these are his consumer thoughts. You debate and discuss like children in junior high and honestly, I would have thought that a group of men playing a baseball game would have some level of decency and intelligence, I guess I was thinking of the real sorry not the video version. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, or my gamer score isn't high enough to be included in such a high brow discussion, but I can't say I'm impressed. At least one guy finished a book once and learned the word diatribe... It doesn't really fit here, but it's really pretentious, points for that.
Read again: he doesn’t like it and/or sucks, so it’s trash. He blames the game for less kids playing baseball or being good at it. He complains about people being jerks online, trying to use exploits: where has he been the last 15 years of online gaming? He says hitting is all about movement and not about speeds; really so a changeup is not about screwing up your timing?
If you’re going to post whiny complaining posts, you’re most likely to get flamed. If you point out flaws or ask legitimate questions, chances are you’ll get constructive replies, with the occasional [censored] here and there. If this game had an 80% approval rate, that means 20% don’t like it. But it’s a haters world, so if you don’t like something it’s automatically bad. Like he posted.
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@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Who knows how long this post will last, but here it goes:
A game where they claim to be a simulation of real baseball, and then:
Professional Pitchers have less control over their target than little kids playing in the elementary league. Honestly I'm surprised how mlb figures allow these developers, to portrait them in such a shameful way about their performance. Then they came out with this new pitching mode that seems you are transcribing sorcery with the left stick instead of focus as in your next pitch, which is what a normal pitcher does after throwing the last one.
They favor in their engine a hit mode where all you need to do is place your marker in a certain zone and press the button when it comes. Their millionaire budget didn't came across anybody, to tell them the process of swinging a bat its a single action to your brain. Batters are not snipers to use crossairs, not in their minds or any other way. On the other hand, the directional hitting mode, is highly punished, you hit broadway center balls at almost perfect timing and you can choose an ample menu from:
popups, short fly balls, silly catch' em up bouncers, and right at him liners. Anyone who has seen at least 3 baseball games, knows this is impossible to happen even in the tuesday night neighborhood league.
Then, they mock your love for baseball with the who knows based on what reference timing window to hit the ball. Why? because the timing of the breaking balls is so slow compared to the fastballs, that if you wait to see if the ball is breaking, you are never in time for the fastball:
newsflash devteam, the whole purpose of the breaking balls is for you to confuse them with the fastball , because of their BREAKING, not the difference in speed. Actually, a too slow breaking ball, losses their entire effectivity in the trained eyes of a professional batter, no matter how many 97 mph fastballs they just faced. Its a fact, the window of time difference its just too great. Another horrible fact, is that the pitch paths are just wrong, sometimes the ball even dissapears Some times I have pressed the button, only to expectate how my batter does nothing but a delayed swing to justify that : "it blew it fast by him!" I mean, what a joke.Then, there is the fact of the supposedly enforced code of conduct. You are still allowing people to desync and spam the game, just because you are afraid of losing users over 40+ in a row strike outs and 20+ homers over their pitching: Be real with the kids and younger who play baseball, baseball its a hard game to play well, there is no other way to learn that receiving strikeout after strikeout, and homer after homer. Its clockwork, I had games where I have hitted even 5 homers, and I have lost. Why? because they start spamming and desyncing the game, all of my pitches end up right down the middle when I specifically put them anywhere but, and when Im hitting, I'm lossing frames in the animations, specially when my power hitters are due up.
You are enabling , enforcing and supporting a platform where kids:
Think its the right thing to do cheating shamelessly to win
Disconnect their cable from their network outlets when they are being hitted around, after finger fatigue on the cheating maneuvers. No temporary ban or the like for such a nasty behaviour.
Think that if they buy you stubs, things are great: I have played with players who obviously have spent extra money on the stubs, and the moment I give them to straight strikeouts in a row in the first inning, I suddenly start losing control of the pitch target, (I pitch using classic mode) and the ball lands in the center no matter what.
You are making them believe that the mind process with the crossair is appropiate to play baseball. You are just destroying the american and all around the world baseball tradition by making them think they are aware of how to think in a baseball game.I wish I had a way for you guys to return my money, and gladly I will uninstall the game from my ps4. Is a shame, that people like you had the budget and the change to make a baseball game, only to make this disgrace. You are destroying the sport.
There is no consistency between games and that's because we are all victims to the hitting engine keeping the games within realistic baseball stats. I think we can all agree that the hitting is a simulated experience and it's up to the game whether or not you get a hit...
That's why you don't have the same results on the same swing every time. I understand that's baseball but this is a video game and I beleive we're not looking for a simulated baseball experience, we're looking to see who's skill is better.
In my opinion, if I wanted to see a random pitch result, I would just watch a real baseball game. What's the point to play a video game against another human opponent if what you are doing doesn't control the outcome? Why wouldn't we just play the computer to get these realistic outcomes?
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You are actually wrong on many levels. If you are waiting for a pitch “to break” in real life, you are already to late. You don’t recognize breaking balls from a pitcher by waiting for it to break, you identify breaking ball from fastball by identifying pitcher release point, and spin of the laces.
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@crimson_monk_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Most of your post is a frustration for me too. But using the pci is much more realistic than directional because you actually have to use hand eye coordination. I don’t care which one you use, they both have the same bs tho. Lots of questionable results. Pitching does make you hang pitches across the board unless you are able to be perfect every time on pinpoint.
The most frustrating thing is that if you try and play or pitch like real life, it isn’t as effective.. well pitching is for me at least but I coached college ball, but some of the results are laughable compared to the real. And most guys throw the same every with every pitcher and every at bat. It’s frustrating that I literally have my pci set on the spot yet the ball never goes anywhere 90 percent of the time .( yeah I’m looking at you high inside sinker or fastball guy) I can’t time it or if I do it is a weak pop up or a 490 foot foul homerun lol
I don’t think using the PCI feels more realistic, it actually hurts the real feeling of batting … Hitting is about timing and placing bat on ball not lining up some circle
️ … I’ve always liked timed hitting in baseball video games not lining up a circle, just feels more like you’re actually hitting with timing and choosing the right pitch … -
@boogiewithstu2 said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@crimson_monk_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Most of your post is a frustration for me too. But using the pci is much more realistic than directional because you actually have to use hand eye coordination. I don’t care which one you use, they both have the same bs tho. Lots of questionable results. Pitching does make you hang pitches across the board unless you are able to be perfect every time on pinpoint.
The most frustrating thing is that if you try and play or pitch like real life, it isn’t as effective.. well pitching is for me at least but I coached college ball, but some of the results are laughable compared to the real. And most guys throw the same every with every pitcher and every at bat. It’s frustrating that I literally have my pci set on the spot yet the ball never goes anywhere 90 percent of the time .( yeah I’m looking at you high inside sinker or fastball guy) I can’t time it or if I do it is a weak pop up or a 490 foot foul homerun lol
I don’t think using the PCI feels more realistic, it actually hurts the real feeling of batting … Hitting is about timing and placing bat on ball not lining up some circle
️ … I’ve always liked timed hitting in baseball video games not lining up a circle, just feels more like you’re actually hitting with timing and choosing the right pitch …I mean I get your thought but it also includes tracking the ball with your eye. I think the pci simulates that better than just timing. Bc pci includes tracking and timing.
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@crimson_monk_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@boogiewithstu2 said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@crimson_monk_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Most of your post is a frustration for me too. But using the pci is much more realistic than directional because you actually have to use hand eye coordination. I don’t care which one you use, they both have the same bs tho. Lots of questionable results. Pitching does make you hang pitches across the board unless you are able to be perfect every time on pinpoint.
The most frustrating thing is that if you try and play or pitch like real life, it isn’t as effective.. well pitching is for me at least but I coached college ball, but some of the results are laughable compared to the real. And most guys throw the same every with every pitcher and every at bat. It’s frustrating that I literally have my pci set on the spot yet the ball never goes anywhere 90 percent of the time .( yeah I’m looking at you high inside sinker or fastball guy) I can’t time it or if I do it is a weak pop up or a 490 foot foul homerun lol
I don’t think using the PCI feels more realistic, it actually hurts the real feeling of batting … Hitting is about timing and placing bat on ball not lining up some circle
️ … I’ve always liked timed hitting in baseball video games not lining up a circle, just feels more like you’re actually hitting with timing and choosing the right pitch …I mean I get your thought but it also includes tracking the ball with your eye. I think the pci simulates that better than just timing. Bc pci includes tracking and timing.
I hear ya … If you enjoy it that way it’s all good .. I’m just hoping SDS always gives gamers the options, options are important ….
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Nobody's gonna give this guy credit for describing pinpoint pitching as "transcribing sorcery"? That's classic. OP levels up.
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I feel your pain... I know this is a video game but we , as humans , also want to "climb the ranks " so to speak . so when your ace is in the 3rd inning and you aim the pitch low & away. ..... and it flies right down the middle of the plate ..... UGHHHHH !!!! . yes its a game but cmon can't they make this more realistic ??? cmon you are so close ...
