SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .
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@spc_garza_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@hoffsdrawlar_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
I do not use pinpoint and that sounds like a different problem and R2 issue entirely. One that needs to be addressed. Either way, getting rid of R2 without having balks, or, having balks and keeping R2 are not viable solutions. If pitchers have to come set before a pitch is thrown it fixes this entirely. On a completely different note, I really wish they would get rid of the pause button or drastically reduce the timer. Pausing to me is a much bigger issue, if you are not ready to play then don’t start a game or quit, don’t leave the opponent hanging for minutes at a time.
Again I didn’t suggest getting rid of R2. A simple fix would again just be One Uno press of R2 per pitch
I know you didn’t. However only having the option to use it once per at bat does not solve the problem of pitchers spamming pitches as quickly as possible in an attempt to catch the hitter of guard. That is why I say simply have the pitcher come set and remove R2 and the problem is solved. They could eliminate balks and not have location pop up until after he is set so there would be no balk risk.
Edit: and i see you said per pitch which would be fine also
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@cbpm72_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@maskedgrappler said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
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@go4stros25_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Respectfully I disagree. A batter needs the option to slow down a pitcher. Your plan would be 3 seconds and then rapid fire pitches every at bat.
There should be a 2 second window before each pitch where the pitcher can't pitch. A pitch every 2 seconds is plenty fast for pace of play, and 2 seconds is long enough to do whatever you want with the r2. It removes the cheese because for those 2 seconds the pitcher won't be able to start their windup and after those 2 seconds the batter can no longer r2. I would almost guarantee the time between most pitches in most online games is ~2 seconds anyway.
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You mean you want a chance to mess up someone’s timing.
You don’t care about slowing down, you want to throw off the pitcher when he is starting delivery.
He wants a 2 second window where you can't throw a pitch. Seems pretty clear to me.
Yesterday an online opponent was pressing R2 before almost every single pitch. I would wait a few seconds after the pressing-R2 icon disappeared to make sure my pitch wasn't going to get f-ed with, and then the icon would pop up again. In other words, they were pressing R2 (for more than 2 seconds), I wouldn't pitch immediately due to R2 having been pressed, and then they would press R2 again. All before one single pitch is thrown. This scenario is indefensible by the 'I need more time' crowd and the 'I'm just looking up information' crowd. There's clear intention to disrupt the pitcher, and I'm certain R2 is used mostly in this way. And it is not baseball, that's 100% clear too. I said to my partner, who dislikes most sports in real life and certainly dislikes sports video games, "There's a feature in the game where you can freeze the pitcher" (and then showed it to him on a vs CPU game) and he sarcastically replied, "Yeah, like you could do that in a real game!" Honestly, this is clear even to baseball outsiders.
It is baseball though. The batter can step out of the box as often as he wants for as long as he wants. That’s r2
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@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@cbpm72_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@maskedgrappler said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@locutusofburg said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@go4stros25_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Respectfully I disagree. A batter needs the option to slow down a pitcher. Your plan would be 3 seconds and then rapid fire pitches every at bat.
There should be a 2 second window before each pitch where the pitcher can't pitch. A pitch every 2 seconds is plenty fast for pace of play, and 2 seconds is long enough to do whatever you want with the r2. It removes the cheese because for those 2 seconds the pitcher won't be able to start their windup and after those 2 seconds the batter can no longer r2. I would almost guarantee the time between most pitches in most online games is ~2 seconds anyway.
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You mean you want a chance to mess up someone’s timing.
You don’t care about slowing down, you want to throw off the pitcher when he is starting delivery.
He wants a 2 second window where you can't throw a pitch. Seems pretty clear to me.
Yesterday an online opponent was pressing R2 before almost every single pitch. I would wait a few seconds after the pressing-R2 icon disappeared to make sure my pitch wasn't going to get f-ed with, and then the icon would pop up again. In other words, they were pressing R2 (for more than 2 seconds), I wouldn't pitch immediately due to R2 having been pressed, and then they would press R2 again. All before one single pitch is thrown. This scenario is indefensible by the 'I need more time' crowd and the 'I'm just looking up information' crowd. There's clear intention to disrupt the pitcher, and I'm certain R2 is used mostly in this way. And it is not baseball, that's 100% clear too. I said to my partner, who dislikes most sports in real life and certainly dislikes sports video games, "There's a feature in the game where you can freeze the pitcher" (and then showed it to him on a vs CPU game) and he sarcastically replied, "Yeah, like you could do that in a real game!" Honestly, this is clear even to baseball outsiders.
It is baseball though. The batter can step out of the box as often as he wants for as long as he wants. That’s r2
Sorry, that's incorrect. The batter can request time from the ump. That's down on the d-pad. I don't know what R2 is but it ain't asking for time. For example, observe what happens when the batter uses R2 in the game. Does the ump grant time? Nothing actually happens. It's just a weird freeze that unfortunately can screw with gameplay.
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@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@cbpm72_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@maskedgrappler said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@locutusofburg said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@go4stros25_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Respectfully I disagree. A batter needs the option to slow down a pitcher. Your plan would be 3 seconds and then rapid fire pitches every at bat.
There should be a 2 second window before each pitch where the pitcher can't pitch. A pitch every 2 seconds is plenty fast for pace of play, and 2 seconds is long enough to do whatever you want with the r2. It removes the cheese because for those 2 seconds the pitcher won't be able to start their windup and after those 2 seconds the batter can no longer r2. I would almost guarantee the time between most pitches in most online games is ~2 seconds anyway.
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You mean you want a chance to mess up someone’s timing.
You don’t care about slowing down, you want to throw off the pitcher when he is starting delivery.
He wants a 2 second window where you can't throw a pitch. Seems pretty clear to me.
Yesterday an online opponent was pressing R2 before almost every single pitch. I would wait a few seconds after the pressing-R2 icon disappeared to make sure my pitch wasn't going to get f-ed with, and then the icon would pop up again. In other words, they were pressing R2 (for more than 2 seconds), I wouldn't pitch immediately due to R2 having been pressed, and then they would press R2 again. All before one single pitch is thrown. This scenario is indefensible by the 'I need more time' crowd and the 'I'm just looking up information' crowd. There's clear intention to disrupt the pitcher, and I'm certain R2 is used mostly in this way. And it is not baseball, that's 100% clear too. I said to my partner, who dislikes most sports in real life and certainly dislikes sports video games, "There's a feature in the game where you can freeze the pitcher" (and then showed it to him on a vs CPU game) and he sarcastically replied, "Yeah, like you could do that in a real game!" Honestly, this is clear even to baseball outsiders.
It is baseball though. The batter can step out of the box as often as he wants for as long as he wants. That’s r2
No he can’t. The ump would eventually tell the pitcher to pitch.
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@go4stros25_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Respectfully I disagree. A batter needs the option to slow down a pitcher. Your plan would be 3 seconds and then rapid fire pitches every at bat.
There should be a 2 second window before each pitch where the pitcher can't pitch. A pitch every 2 seconds is plenty fast for pace of play, and 2 seconds is long enough to do whatever you want with the r2. It removes the cheese because for those 2 seconds the pitcher won't be able to start their windup and after those 2 seconds the batter can no longer r2. I would almost guarantee the time between most pitches in most online games is ~2 seconds anyway.
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They could implement like a balk kind of rule or something
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So bring back balks?! Problem solved!
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@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
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@spc_garza_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Allow only One Press of R2 PER AT Pitch at 3 seconds your choice.
This will satisfy both sides....
Side One (Your not going to quick pitch me clan) They can slow down the at bat by 3 seconds whatever you choose.
Side Two (messing with my PPP or other pitching clan) once they see that they pressed R2 they know it can’t happen again that at bat so they don’t have to worry.
Or you can suck it up and watch for the icon at the top when it appears and wait til it disappears and then pitch instead of posting some elaborate "fix" that noone gets behind
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@dart_wuffy_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@spc_garza_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Allow only One Press of R2 PER AT Pitch at 3 seconds your choice.
This will satisfy both sides....
Side One (Your not going to quick pitch me clan) They can slow down the at bat by 3 seconds whatever you choose.
Side Two (messing with my PPP or other pitching clan) once they see that they pressed R2 they know it can’t happen again that at bat so they don’t have to worry.
Or you can suck it up and watch for the icon at the top when it appears and wait til it disappears and then pitch instead of posting some elaborate "fix" that noone gets behind
Not sure if it was in this thread or another that I described this, but I'm going to repeat myself because this is important for some people to realise -- you can do exactly this, on every pitch, and they'll just press it again. I know this because I experienced it on every pitch during online gameplay recently. R2 being pressed, I would wait. It would stop, and I would give it a second or two just to make sure, and then it would be pressed again. Eventually I would get to pitch but are you really suggesting that just waiting out nearly 200 R2 presses is the best solution here? What possible justification could there be for pressing R2 at least twice before every pitch?
Before someone jumps in that I was quick-pitching and this is how to slow me down, please consider that because I was waiting for R2 pressing to stop twice before every pitch, that it would be impossible for me to be quick-pitching. Obviously.
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Balks only works with runners on base so it ain’t a fix
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@yankblan_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Balks only works with runners on base so it ain’t a fix
Its a ball with no one on base
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@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.
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@dart_wuffy_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@spc_garza_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Allow only One Press of R2 PER AT Pitch at 3 seconds your choice.
This will satisfy both sides....
Side One (Your not going to quick pitch me clan) They can slow down the at bat by 3 seconds whatever you choose.
Side Two (messing with my PPP or other pitching clan) once they see that they pressed R2 they know it can’t happen again that at bat so they don’t have to worry.
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@spc_garza_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@hoffsdrawlar_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
R2 is simply the batter holding up his hand in the batters box for the umpire to slow down the pitcher until he is ready, so it most definitely has a purpose in this game. I use R2 but only to see confidence or check patterns. I will use it occasionally for quick pitching, which I am guilty of sometimes also. I have not seen anyone hold R2 as others are saying, however, I have seen numerous players try and speed through pitching when I have players on base to try and cheese me. This is a much bigger problem than holding R2 in my experience. Turn balks on and R2 off and the problem is solved.
Excellent that’s why I suggested 3 seconds to hold R2 once per at bat to simulate this hands up to ump that happens in real life. You explained it much better than me.
My question is do you use Pin Point pitching? I do and many others do and I would say about half of the people I play when they figure out that I am using PPP press R2 multiple times an at bat to try to mess me up.
So dam true
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the R2 button is designed for those who do not want scumbags to quick pitch them to slow down. Most of you complaining about it are probably quick pitchers (not an accusation here just an observation) and I'll admit I am to a degree but when I bat I do hold R2 occassionally so I can have the 3 seconds I need in between. If doing that is so wrong and you want a game where you can pitch however fast you want without delay RBI Baseball continues to make [censored] poor arcade baseball. Go play that or as I said before....suck it up and stop complaining
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@dart_wuffy_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
the R2 button is designed for those who do not want scumbags to quick pitch them to slow down. Most of you complaining about it are probably quick pitchers (not an accusation here just an observation) and I'll admit I am to a degree but when I bat I do hold R2 occassionally so I can have the 3 seconds I need in between. If doing that is so wrong and you want a game where you can pitch however fast you want without delay RBI Baseball continues to make [censored] poor arcade baseball. Go play that or as I said before....suck it up and stop complaining
If you read through and think and again not being disrespectful this is not about quick pitching or any of that... This is about people abusing R2 multiple times in a at bat and by abuse I mean pressing R2 really quick (not even long enough to check stamina or confidence or for that matter slow down the pitcher ect) to make the input of the Pitcher especially on Pinpoint to jack up. It is completely different
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My take on this is twofold.
1st, R2 in past years would prevent you from starting your delivery. You would be "stuck" on the pitch location screen and pressing X to confirm the pitch location would just not be allowed as long as R2 was being held. With PPP, it seems to affect the actual mechanic/timing of the actual pitch as the player is using it. This is simply not acceptable. Now I haven't played online this year yet nor do I use PPP (meter pitching is all my old hands can muster), but I would bet anything that as long as ANY sort of advantage can be gained against another player in online, people WILL exploit it. This may not be true of 100% of the community, but most people will and do. It is an unfortunate side effect of Events, BR and RS. I won't go inta a whole rant about online ranking, but I think SDS has gone some way to alleviate it this year with X wins = WS Pack. I actually applaud them for it. I have a whole idea on how the online RS ranking and matching system could work, but this isn't the place for it.
That being said, forcing a pitcher to come set can have repercussions on the OFFLINE portion of the game. When I play a 9 inning vs CPU game or ANY mode like CONQUEST or MOMENTS, forcing my pitcher to come set just adds time to the game. it might be minimal, but it is still there. BALKS can be turned off during vs CPU games, but if they create a mechanic for forcing the pitcher to come set or preventing the pitcher to pitch for a full 2 or 3 seconds , this will not be mode specific, but will be hardcoded to pitching in all modes since the engine cannot differentiate between vs human or vs CPU. It can by the "settings rules" not apply the balk rule, but the balk is still recorded, just not called.
There is no easy solution or fix this year because of the inclusion of PPP. My suggestion is to go back to the previous years and R2 will prevent the pitcher from selecting the pitch location until 3 seconds or no longer pressed. After that, R2 should do nothing.
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@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.
Well, it’s not all about you.
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I love that this R2 debate is raging on, now that you can see when it is being used on screen.
In previous years, you guys were all denying it even did anything.
The shoe is on the other foot.
“We need a solution!!!”
There is no solution. There will always be players that try to exploit the game mechanics for any advantage.
