Historic Rosters 2021
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Honestly, I don’t care if there’s duplicates or not. It doesn’t matter because a player can be great for two teams like the O’Neill situation is the same for numerous others. I’d rather see duplicates because Pirate Barry was MVP and so was Giant Barry, Babe was one of Red Sox best pitchers, and on and on.
I guess this goes into what the idea of how the entire roster looks at the very end.
And I’m more than willing to help in anyway I can with research. I know you probably like to create the players yourself, but you are basing it all off something. Maybe can start helping you gather everything and streamline it more.
At this point I’m worried MLB22 won’t allow it to be imported either with the Topps deal ending. Everything probably going to change.
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Then things like this though, no Bob Meusel, no Murders row.
No George Davis on White Sox, no Black Sox.
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Not to mention Randy Johnson and Alex Rodriguez
No Cap Anson on White Sox?
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Where are you putting/have you put Ichiro? Not trying to start WW3, just curious!
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Why can’t sds just make historical rosters like 2K? I know rights is an issue, but surely they have enough, right?
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@kis4korey_xbl said in Historic Rosters 2021:
Honestly, I don’t care if there’s duplicates or not. It doesn’t matter because a player can be great for two teams like the O’Neill situation is the same for numerous others. I’d rather see duplicates because Pirate Barry was MVP and so was Giant Barry, Babe was one of Red Sox best pitchers, and on and on.
I guess this goes into what the idea of how the entire roster looks at the very end.
And I’m more than willing to help in anyway I can with research. I know you probably like to create the players yourself, but you are basing it all off something. Maybe can start helping you gather everything and streamline it more.
At this point I’m worried MLB22 won’t allow it to be imported either with the Topps deal ending. Everything probably going to change.
I've been following and researching baseball for decades. I don't need any help researching the game. Thanks but no thanks.
I didn't put Tino Martinez as the top DH for the Yankees, I created him as a 1B for the Yankees because he played more years with the Yankees than he did the Mariners, he played nearly twice as many games for the Yankees as he did the Mariners, and his WAR was over twice as high for the Yankees as the Mariners. Whatever lineups are in the game right now are because that's the default lineups the game determined. I am not anywhere near ready to set the lineups for each team yet seeing as I've only got players created for 10 out of 30 teams.
Jason Giambi played more years, more games, and had a higher WAR playing for Oakland than he did for the Yankees. I'm putting him on the A's when I get to them; not the Yankees.
Tom "Flash" Gordon played 8 years for the Royals, mostly as a starter, and only 4 years for the Red Sox. He played in more games, pitched more innings, and had a higher WAR for the Royals than he did the Red Sox. Hence, in the roster I am creating he's on the Royals.
If you don't mind duplicates then fine, you can save whoever you'd like and put him on as many teams as you'd like in your roster. In the roster I'm creating I'm not going to do duplicates.
Also, if you want to put Gordon on the Red Sox then feel free to do so in your roster. In the roster I'm creating he's on the Royals.
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@redonyou89_xbl said in Historic Rosters 2021:
Where are you putting/have you put Ichiro? Not trying to start WW3, just curious!
I'm not sure if this is a serious question or not but Ichiro will be on the Mariners. I haven't created players for the Mariners yet though.
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@kis4korey_xbl said in Historic Rosters 2021:
Not to mention Randy Johnson and Alex Rodriguez
No Cap Anson on White Sox?
Randy Johnson will likely be on the Diamondbacks and not the Mariners in my roster. He played more years on the Mariners but his WAR was better for the Diamondbacks than it was the Mariners. Also, he won 4 Cy Youngs with the D'backs and only one with the Mariners.
Arod is already on the Yankees. I put him there because he played more years, more games, and had a higher WAR with the Yankees than any other team. He also won two MVPs with the Yankees.
Not sure if the question about Cap Anson on the White Sox is serious or not. Cap Anson played 22 years with the Chicago Cubs, not the White Sox. I haven't created players for the Cubs yet.
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@kis4korey_xbl said in Historic Rosters 2021:
Then things like this though, no Bob Meusel, no Murders row.
No George Davis on White Sox, no Black Sox.
I will eventually create Meusel on the Yankees. He's one of 2700 players and I simply haven't got them all created yet.
George Davis played more years with the New York Giants than he did the White Sox and his WAR was much higher for the Giants than the White Sox. In the roster I am creating he's going on the Giants, not the White Sox.
I created multiple players that were on the 1919 White Sox (a.k.a. Black Sox) team including Eddie Cicotte, Red Faber, Lefty Williams, Reb Russel, Joe Benz, Chick Gandil, Ray Schalk, Happy Felsch, Joe Jackson, and Buck Weaver.
Feel free to create any other players that you want and put them in your roster.
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@biebig2010_psn said in Historic Rosters 2021:
@kis4korey_xbl said in Historic Rosters 2021:
Honestly, I don’t care if there’s duplicates or not. It doesn’t matter because a player can be great for two teams like the O’Neill situation is the same for numerous others. I’d rather see duplicates because Pirate Barry was MVP and so was Giant Barry, Babe was one of Red Sox best pitchers, and on and on.
I guess this goes into what the idea of how the entire roster looks at the very end.
And I’m more than willing to help in anyway I can with research. I know you probably like to create the players yourself, but you are basing it all off something. Maybe can start helping you gather everything and streamline it more.
At this point I’m worried MLB22 won’t allow it to be imported either with the Topps deal ending. Everything probably going to change.
I've been following and researching baseball for decades. I don't need any help researching the game. Thanks but no thanks.
I didn't put Tino Martinez as the top DH for the Yankees, I created him as a 1B for the Yankees because he played more years with the Yankees than he did the Mariners, he played nearly twice as many games for the Yankees as he did the Mariners, and his WAR was over twice as high for the Yankees as the Mariners. Whatever lineups are in my roster right now are because that's the default lineups the game determined. I am not anywhere near ready to set the lineups for each team yet seeing as I've only got players created for 10 out of 30 teams.
Jason Giambi played more years, more games, and had a higher WAR playing for Oakland than he did for the Yankees. I'm putting him on the A's when I get to them; not the Yankees.
Tom "Flash" Gordon played 8 years for the Royals, mostly as a starter, and only 4 years for the Red Sox. He played in more games, pitched more innings, and had a higher WAR for the Royals than he did the Red Sox. Hence, in the roster I am creating he's on the Royals.
If you don't mind duplicates then fine, you can save whoever you'd like and put him on as many teams as you'd like in your roster. In the roster I'm creating I'm not going to do duplicates.
Also, if you want to put Gordon on the Red Sox then feel free to do so in your roster. In the roster I'm creating he's on the Royals.
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Trying to figure out why Randy needs to respond to all these about HIS roster… I’ve used this All-Time roster and Pjsnells all time roster year after year and they are both top notch. A insane amount of work goes into it. If you disagree with who he puts on a team when he releases it go I. And trade that player to a different team. Randy as always great work and I’m patiently waiting for your completion. Take your time buddy .
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@modernhippy07_xbl said in Historic Rosters 2021:
Trying to figure out why Randy needs to respond to all these about HIS roster… I’ve used this All-Time roster and Pjsnells all time roster year after year and they are both top notch. A insane amount of work goes into it. If you disagree with who he puts on a team when he releases it go I. And trade that player to a different team. Randy as always great work and I’m patiently waiting for your completion. Take your time buddy .
I don't mind a few questions or suggestions or requests; I'll accommodate whatever I can. However, when I get criticism that seems to be based on a personal preference and not historical facts that's probably not too useful.
I must admit that I was pretty amused at the criticism about not putting Cap Anson on the White Sox though. I got quite a laugh over that one. Yikes!
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@redonyou89_xbl said in Historic Rosters 2021:
Where are you putting/have you put Ichiro? Not trying to start WW3, just curious!
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/suzukic01.shtml
Which team Ichiro will be on is a no doubter!!! Easily the team that he will be wearing the cap on his bust when he goes into the HoF in 2024! -
I added HOU and uploaded a new version of the ALL TIME GREATS roster I'm working on to the Roster vault. It now includes all teams in the AL East and AL Central as well as HOU. Up next is LAA.
Roster name is ALL TIME GREATS under user biebig2010.
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I added LAA and uploaded a new version of the ALL TIME GREATS roster to the Roster vault. It now includes all teams in the AL East and AL Central as well as HOU and LAA. Up next is OAK.
Note: I also added a dozen or so players each to BAL, BOS, and NYY.
Roster name is ALL TIME GREATS under user biebig2010.
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I added OAK and uploaded a new version of the ALL TIME GREATS roster to the Roster vault. It now includes all teams in the AL East and AL Central as well as HOU, LAA and OAK. Up next is SEA.
Roster name is ALL TIME GREATS under user biebig2010.
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I added SEA and uploaded a new version of the ALL TIME GREATS roster to the Roster vault. It now includes all teams in the AL East and AL Central as well as HOU, LAA, OAK and SEA. Up next is TEX to finish off the AL.
Roster name is ALL TIME GREATS under user biebig2010.
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I added TEX and uploaded a new version of the ALL TIME GREATS roster to the MLBTS21 Roster vault. It now includes all teams in the AL East, AL Central, and AL West. That finishes off the AL. Up next is the NL starting with ATL.
Roster name is ALL TIME GREATS under user biebig2010.
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You are doing a great job man, keep it up. I am a stat geek and have made a spreadsheet that calculates mlb the show attributes based on fangraphs.com historical stats and stats+ and baseball references platoon numbers. If you want close to perfect attributes, including vs L and vs R numbers, based on numbers and very little opinion lmk. The stats are a mixture of how the player rated against his peers and how he compared to all time mlb averages from 1900 to current, with 60 being the avg rating, as stated by mlb the show creators. Also my numbers reflect only what that player did for that particular ball club not for their entire career. I can do an entire 40 man roster in less than an hour. If you want some samples lmk. Here is a comparison
For joe judge
Your ratings CR 93 CL89 PR 57. PL 50. SPD 36
My ratings. CR 73. CL 71 PR53. PL58 SPD 76
A 93 and 89 contact rating should be reserved for only the very top tier avg hitters, joe judge +104 avg + rating for his career with twins puts him above avg but no where near the numbers you gave him. Also he he was not slow and had over 200 career steals.
You seem like a guy who likes attention to detail so thought I would put this out there, fully understand if you like your own numbers. -
@scpnc_psn said in Historic Rosters 2021:
You are doing a great job man, keep it up. I am a stat geek and have made a spreadsheet that calculates mlb the show attributes based on fangraphs.com historical stats and stats+ and baseball references platoon numbers. If you want close to perfect attributes, including vs L and vs R numbers, based on numbers and very little opinion lmk. The stats are a mixture of how the player rated against his peers and how he compared to all time mlb averages from 1900 to current, with 60 being the avg rating, as stated by mlb the show creators. Also my numbers reflect only what that player did for that particular ball club not for their entire career. I can do an entire 40 man roster in less than an hour. If you want some samples lmk. Here is a comparison
For joe judge
Your ratings CR 93 CL89 PR 57. PL 50. SPD 36
My ratings. CR 73. CL 71 PR53. PL58 SPD 76
A 93 and 89 contact rating should be reserved for only the very top tier avg hitters, joe judge +104 avg + rating for his career with twins puts him above avg but no where near the numbers you gave him. Also he he was not slow and had over 200 career steals.
You seem like a guy who likes attention to detail so thought I would put this out there, fully understand if you like your own numbers.I typically base my players on their career numbers and not just what they did for one team. That being said, you may have a different rating baseline than I do for various attributes and you obviously rate Joe Judge differently than I do. That's fine, to each his own rating system.
If you have a spreadsheet of all the attribute ratings for all the players in the MLB since 1900 I'd love to see it.
Joe Judge and his speed is an interesting topic. He did have 213 career steals; however, it was over a 20 year career and he was also caught stealing 93 times. So 43% of the time he was caught stealing. And that doesn't even take into account the number of times he may have been caught stealing from 1916 to 1920 (no numbers available). That doesn't make him a great base stealing threat in my opinion.
I'd say he was quick when he was younger but he slowed down as he got older and his base stealing numbers decreased. As I said I use his entire career to figure out where to rank him so his later career hurt his speed numbers somewhat.
Also, look at Joe Judge's range factor as compared to the entire league's range factor. It puts him at just a little below average. I understand speed isn't necessarily 100% related to range factor but speed certainly plays a part somewhat in range factor.
I could buy an argument that I have him a little slower than perhaps he should be though.
Judge's 159 career triples put him # 42 on the all-time major league list. He ranks # 98 on the all-time list for doubles, with 433 and # 34 on the all-time list for sacrifice hits. His 2352 career hits put him just outside of the top 100 of all time. Based on these rankings I think his contact rating should be very good compared to the other 2700 players in the MLBTS game.
