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@hoboadam_psn said in Toxic player:
Regardless of what the jumbled words say, the icon for the square isn't a trapezoid or infinity symbol.
What exactly are you trying to say? If someone walks away or just decides to Let their timer expire instead of quitting, a message pops up and says something along the lines of accepting the forfeit press “SQUARE” or you can choose to wait longer.
What does this have to do with trapezoid or infinity symbol?
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As far as the bunting goes, people can obviously choose to play this game however they want. Personally, bunting with power hitters who never bunt vs the shift in real life is lame as hell. 98% of the time if someone does this vs me it’s a very weak opponent who doesn’t hit well. It’s a rare time that a WS, Flawless or player with high batting averages use this tactic vs me because we all know how high the ratio of HR:Hits are in this game vs real life. I have these guys bunting vs me with 2 strikes and Mantle up, even without a shift....and the game rewards it waaaaay too often.
I Mean cmon man. Let’s swing away. Let the one who pitches and swings the best win and move on. Reading your opponent and exploiting their weaknesses is smart baseball... and exploiting the game’s weakness with the unrealistic bunting and this timer/quit nonsense is not good baseball.
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@bob_sacamano_361 said in Toxic player:
As far as the bunting goes, people can obviously choose to play this game however they want. Personally, bunting with power hitters who never bunt vs the shift in real life is lame as hell. 98% of the time if someone does this vs me it’s a very weak opponent who doesn’t hit well. It’s a rare time that a WS, Flawless or player with high batting averages use this tactic vs me because we all know how high the ratio of HR:Hits are in this game vs real life. I have these guys bunting vs me with 2 strikes and Mantle up, even without a shift....and the game rewards it waaaaay too often.
I Mean cmon man. Let’s swing away. Let the one who pitches and swings the best win and move on. Reading your opponent and exploiting their weaknesses is smart baseball... and exploiting the game’s weakness with the unrealistic bunting and this timer/quit nonsense is not good baseball.
Well I agree with you, but I still bunt sometimes against the shift if my opponent is refusing to make adjustments and I need to get something going, for the reasons I explained earlier. And I'm a WS, flawless and borderline top50 player. Other players I play against who fit that same description do it too sometimes. Not my preferred way of playing, but they should disable the auto shift and I would never even touch the triangle button in the first place. If you make manual adjustments to shift on someone - kudos to you. But this auto shift lazy stuff will make me bunt against it if I have to.
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@raesone_psn said in Toxic player:
@bob_sacamano_361 said in Toxic player:
As far as the bunting goes, people can obviously choose to play this game however they want. Personally, bunting with power hitters who never bunt vs the shift in real life is lame as hell. 98% of the time if someone does this vs me it’s a very weak opponent who doesn’t hit well. It’s a rare time that a WS, Flawless or player with high batting averages use this tactic vs me because we all know how high the ratio of HR:Hits are in this game vs real life. I have these guys bunting vs me with 2 strikes and Mantle up, even without a shift....and the game rewards it waaaaay too often.
I Mean cmon man. Let’s swing away. Let the one who pitches and swings the best win and move on. Reading your opponent and exploiting their weaknesses is smart baseball... and exploiting the game’s weakness with the unrealistic bunting and this timer/quit nonsense is not good baseball.
Well I agree with you, but I still bunt sometimes against the shift if my opponent is refusing to make adjustments and I need to get something going, for the reasons I explained earlier. And I'm a WS, flawless and borderline top50 player. Other players I play against who fit that same description do it too sometimes. Not my preferred way of playing, but they should disable the auto shift and I would never even touch the triangle button in the first place. If you make manual adjustments to shift on someone - kudos to you. But this auto shift lazy stuff will make me bunt against it if I have to.
I understand your stance. But if you really think about it, ALL MLB teams utilize the shift often. So the more realistic way to play would be to have the Auto-Shift on and manually switch out when the situation dictates based on how your opponent is playing and the way you are pitching. Just my opinion.
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@bob_sacamano_361 said in Toxic player:
@raesone_psn said in Toxic player:
@bob_sacamano_361 said in Toxic player:
As far as the bunting goes, people can obviously choose to play this game however they want. Personally, bunting with power hitters who never bunt vs the shift in real life is lame as hell. 98% of the time if someone does this vs me it’s a very weak opponent who doesn’t hit well. It’s a rare time that a WS, Flawless or player with high batting averages use this tactic vs me because we all know how high the ratio of HR:Hits are in this game vs real life. I have these guys bunting vs me with 2 strikes and Mantle up, even without a shift....and the game rewards it waaaaay too often.
I Mean cmon man. Let’s swing away. Let the one who pitches and swings the best win and move on. Reading your opponent and exploiting their weaknesses is smart baseball... and exploiting the game’s weakness with the unrealistic bunting and this timer/quit nonsense is not good baseball.
Well I agree with you, but I still bunt sometimes against the shift if my opponent is refusing to make adjustments and I need to get something going, for the reasons I explained earlier. And I'm a WS, flawless and borderline top50 player. Other players I play against who fit that same description do it too sometimes. Not my preferred way of playing, but they should disable the auto shift and I would never even touch the triangle button in the first place. If you make manual adjustments to shift on someone - kudos to you. But this auto shift lazy stuff will make me bunt against it if I have to.
I understand your stance. But if you really think about it, ALL MLB teams utilize the shift often. So the more realistic way to play would be to have the Auto-Shift on and manually switch out when the situation dictates based on how your opponent is playing and the way you are pitching. Just my opinion.
On that point I disagree with you. I think shifting or not shifting is a skill or at the very least a "presence of mind" kind of thing. It attributes to a skill gap, as in being aware that the hitter at the plate is an extreme pull hitter so you might want to shift. The game doing this for you automatically decreases that skill gap. Therefore I don't feel bad one bit for bunting it the other way to get on base against someone who's too lazy to turn the shift off once I already tried to bunt against it earlier. Just take the shift off and I'll swing the bat. Easy peasy.
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@raesone_psn said in Toxic player:
@bob_sacamano_361 said in Toxic player:
@raesone_psn said in Toxic player:
@bob_sacamano_361 said in Toxic player:
As far as the bunting goes, people can obviously choose to play this game however they want. Personally, bunting with power hitters who never bunt vs the shift in real life is lame as hell. 98% of the time if someone does this vs me it’s a very weak opponent who doesn’t hit well. It’s a rare time that a WS, Flawless or player with high batting averages use this tactic vs me because we all know how high the ratio of HR:Hits are in this game vs real life. I have these guys bunting vs me with 2 strikes and Mantle up, even without a shift....and the game rewards it waaaaay too often.
I Mean cmon man. Let’s swing away. Let the one who pitches and swings the best win and move on. Reading your opponent and exploiting their weaknesses is smart baseball... and exploiting the game’s weakness with the unrealistic bunting and this timer/quit nonsense is not good baseball.
Well I agree with you, but I still bunt sometimes against the shift if my opponent is refusing to make adjustments and I need to get something going, for the reasons I explained earlier. And I'm a WS, flawless and borderline top50 player. Other players I play against who fit that same description do it too sometimes. Not my preferred way of playing, but they should disable the auto shift and I would never even touch the triangle button in the first place. If you make manual adjustments to shift on someone - kudos to you. But this auto shift lazy stuff will make me bunt against it if I have to.
I understand your stance. But if you really think about it, ALL MLB teams utilize the shift often. So the more realistic way to play would be to have the Auto-Shift on and manually switch out when the situation dictates based on how your opponent is playing and the way you are pitching. Just my opinion.
On that point I disagree with you. I think shifting or not shifting is a skill or at the very least a "presence of mind" kind of thing. It attributes to a skill gap, as in being aware that the hitter at the plate is an extreme pull hitter so you might want to shift. The game doing this for you automatically decreases that skill gap. Therefore I don't feel bad one bit for bunting it the other way to get on base against someone who's too lazy to turn the shift off once I already tried to bunt against it earlier. Just take the shift off and I'll swing the bat. Easy peasy.
Agree to disagree I guess. If you think every MLB player is deciding for themselves who and when to shift for and their not being told through the coaches and analytics than you’re crazy. Pausing the game for each batter to put a shift on is more time consuming and annoying then the few times you’d need to remove it for someone who bunts with Big Papi.
People on these forums seem to be bothered more by the auto-shift then people actually being cheesy and disrespectful with the R2 stuff, the Forfeit/quit thing and other childish things. Sure I hate lining out to the second baseman in RF, but “That’s Baseball Susan”.
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@bob_sacamano_361 said in Toxic player:
@raesone_psn said in Toxic player:
@bob_sacamano_361 said in Toxic player:
@raesone_psn said in Toxic player:
@bob_sacamano_361 said in Toxic player:
As far as the bunting goes, people can obviously choose to play this game however they want. Personally, bunting with power hitters who never bunt vs the shift in real life is lame as hell. 98% of the time if someone does this vs me it’s a very weak opponent who doesn’t hit well. It’s a rare time that a WS, Flawless or player with high batting averages use this tactic vs me because we all know how high the ratio of HR:Hits are in this game vs real life. I have these guys bunting vs me with 2 strikes and Mantle up, even without a shift....and the game rewards it waaaaay too often.
I Mean cmon man. Let’s swing away. Let the one who pitches and swings the best win and move on. Reading your opponent and exploiting their weaknesses is smart baseball... and exploiting the game’s weakness with the unrealistic bunting and this timer/quit nonsense is not good baseball.
Well I agree with you, but I still bunt sometimes against the shift if my opponent is refusing to make adjustments and I need to get something going, for the reasons I explained earlier. And I'm a WS, flawless and borderline top50 player. Other players I play against who fit that same description do it too sometimes. Not my preferred way of playing, but they should disable the auto shift and I would never even touch the triangle button in the first place. If you make manual adjustments to shift on someone - kudos to you. But this auto shift lazy stuff will make me bunt against it if I have to.
I understand your stance. But if you really think about it, ALL MLB teams utilize the shift often. So the more realistic way to play would be to have the Auto-Shift on and manually switch out when the situation dictates based on how your opponent is playing and the way you are pitching. Just my opinion.
On that point I disagree with you. I think shifting or not shifting is a skill or at the very least a "presence of mind" kind of thing. It attributes to a skill gap, as in being aware that the hitter at the plate is an extreme pull hitter so you might want to shift. The game doing this for you automatically decreases that skill gap. Therefore I don't feel bad one bit for bunting it the other way to get on base against someone who's too lazy to turn the shift off once I already tried to bunt against it earlier. Just take the shift off and I'll swing the bat. Easy peasy.
Agree to disagree I guess. If you think every MLB player is deciding for themselves who and when to shift for and their not being told through the coaches and analytics than you’re crazy. Pausing the game for each batter to put a shift on is more time consuming and annoying then the few times you’d need to remove it for someone who bunts with Big Papi.
People on these forums seem to be bothered more by the auto-shift then people actually being cheesy and disrespectful with the R2 stuff, the Forfeit/quit thing and other childish things. Sure I hate lining out to the second baseman in RF, but “That’s Baseball Susan”.
I don't know why you brought all the extra stuff up, I was just arguing the bunt against the shift. That's all I said. Also, we as players in DD are kind of the coaches, not the players. So we decide when to shift and when not to shift. The game doing it for us is just noobie stuff.
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@raesone_psn said in Toxic player:
Ah yeah those are the worst. Let me say one thing about bunting with Bellinger tho; I used to think this is cheesy and lame as well but I changed my mind on this. You see, 9 out of 10 players in this community have the auto shift turned on because it's on by default. That's lazy and a bailout tactic handed to them by the devs (not a shift in general, but the fact that's is on automatically instead of manually by default).
So with lefty bats who have a shift based on their pull tendency, I pull the ball into the shift so often that's its basically a free out most of the time. Bellinger fits this category. So I started to try and bunt towards 3B to get on base and see if my opponent actually adjusts to it by taking off the shift. If they do, I will swing the bat and no longer get out because of the shift. If they don't, I will bunt against the shift and I'll continue to do so until my opponent makes adjustments. Funnily enough, some players never take the shift off once in a 9 inning game while I'm having a field day bunting against it. Is that me being lame or them being stubborn and dumb?
I know most people probably consider this cheesy but not me. In fact, more players in real life should take on this strategy as well. If the defense is going to play just about everyone on the left side and leave one guy on the right at deep SS, seems to make total sense to me to place the ball on the left side. People complain the shift is ruining the game and MLB needs to ban it. In my opinion guys need to get better at going the other way with the ball and taking their base hit.
Whether it'd be a bunt, or swinging the bat and going the other way with it. Nowadays everyone is swinging for the fences trying to pull the ball and continuously lining out into the shift. The strategy in baseball used to be, "hit it where they aint". Now it's I'm swinging to go deep and pull the ball regardless of how the defense is playing me. So if you're bunting with Bellinger for base hits its the defenses job to adjust at that point and take the shift off. That's how sports works, it's a game of adjustments. -
@raesone_psn said in Toxic player:
Ah yeah those are the worst. Let me say one thing about bunting with Bellinger tho; I used to think this is cheesy and lame as well but I changed my mind on this. You see, 9 out of 10 players in this community have the auto shift turned on because it's on by default. That's lazy and a bailout tactic handed to them by the devs (not a shift in general, but the fact that's is on automatically instead of manually by default).
So with lefty bats who have a shift based on their pull tendency, I pull the ball into the shift so often that's its basically a free out most of the time. Bellinger fits this category. So I started to try and bunt towards 3B to get on base and see if my opponent actually adjusts to it by taking off the shift. If they do, I will swing the bat and no longer get out because of the shift. If they don't, I will bunt against the shift and I'll continue to do so until my opponent makes adjustments. Funnily enough, some players never take the shift off once in a 9 inning game while I'm having a field day bunting against it. Is that me being lame or them being stubborn and dumb?
You do not have to take the shift off, you do have to pitch against the bunt to the 3b side. It is still an easy out if you know how to pitch against the bunt.
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@bob_sacamano_361 said in Toxic player:
As far as the bunting goes, people can obviously choose to play this game however they want. Personally, bunting with power hitters who never bunt vs the shift in real life is lame as hell. 98% of the time if someone does this vs me it’s a very weak opponent who doesn’t hit well. It’s a rare time that a WS, Flawless or player with high batting averages use this tactic vs me because we all know how high the ratio of HR:Hits are in this game vs real life. I have these guys bunting vs me with 2 strikes and Mantle up, even without a shift....and the game rewards it waaaaay too often.
I Mean cmon man. Let’s swing away. Let the one who pitches and swings the best win and move on. Reading your opponent and exploiting their weaknesses is smart baseball... and exploiting the game’s weakness with the unrealistic bunting and this timer/quit nonsense is not good baseball.
I very often bunt against the shift, but I base it on what you're throwing me. If I'm getting breaking balls low or hard sinkers ending low I'm not going to try and work against the shift. If I can take that advantage back that the fielders are trying to take from me, I'm gonna do it. I don't think it's cheap at all. I'm obviously not going to go crazy bunting up the third base line if I'm up big late in the game, but if you think I'm gonna pass up chances at easy baserunners you're nuts.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Toxic player:
@raesone_psn said in Toxic player:
Ah yeah those are the worst. Let me say one thing about bunting with Bellinger tho; I used to think this is cheesy and lame as well but I changed my mind on this. You see, 9 out of 10 players in this community have the auto shift turned on because it's on by default. That's lazy and a bailout tactic handed to them by the devs (not a shift in general, but the fact that's is on automatically instead of manually by default).
So with lefty bats who have a shift based on their pull tendency, I pull the ball into the shift so often that's its basically a free out most of the time. Bellinger fits this category. So I started to try and bunt towards 3B to get on base and see if my opponent actually adjusts to it by taking off the shift. If they do, I will swing the bat and no longer get out because of the shift. If they don't, I will bunt against the shift and I'll continue to do so until my opponent makes adjustments. Funnily enough, some players never take the shift off once in a 9 inning game while I'm having a field day bunting against it. Is that me being lame or them being stubborn and dumb?
You do not have to take the shift off, you do have to pitch against the bunt to the 3b side. It is still an easy out if you know how to pitch against the bunt.
Well I won't pretend I'm very good at bunting, because I hardly ever do it. But sometimes I will do it against the shift and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Like that stupid pop up behind the plate or towards the pitcher. So you're probably right. I just wanted to emphasize that I don't think bunting against the shift is cheese per se if a guy doesn't make adjustments.
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@deadphish1976 said in Toxic player:
@raesone_psn said in Toxic player:
Ah yeah those are the worst. Let me say one thing about bunting with Bellinger tho; I used to think this is cheesy and lame as well but I changed my mind on this. You see, 9 out of 10 players in this community have the auto shift turned on because it's on by default. That's lazy and a bailout tactic handed to them by the devs (not a shift in general, but the fact that's is on automatically instead of manually by default).
So with lefty bats who have a shift based on their pull tendency, I pull the ball into the shift so often that's its basically a free out most of the time. Bellinger fits this category. So I started to try and bunt towards 3B to get on base and see if my opponent actually adjusts to it by taking off the shift. If they do, I will swing the bat and no longer get out because of the shift. If they don't, I will bunt against the shift and I'll continue to do so until my opponent makes adjustments. Funnily enough, some players never take the shift off once in a 9 inning game while I'm having a field day bunting against it. Is that me being lame or them being stubborn and dumb?
I know most people probably consider this cheesy but not me. In fact, more players in real life should take on this strategy as well. If the defense is going to play just about everyone on the left side and leave one guy on the right at deep SS, seems to make total sense to me to place the ball on the left side. People complain the shift is ruining the game and MLB needs to ban it. In my opinion guys need to get better at going the other way with the ball and taking their base hit.
Whether it'd be a bunt, or swinging the bat and going the other way with it. Nowadays everyone is swinging for the fences trying to pull the ball and continuously lining out into the shift. The strategy in baseball used to be, "hit it where they aint". Now it's I'm swinging to go deep and pull the ball regardless of how the defense is playing me. So if you're bunting with Bellinger for base hits its the defenses job to adjust at that point and take the shift off. That's how sports works, it's a game of adjustments.Yes sir that was exactly my point. I prefer swinging the bat as much as the next guy, but if I can find an easy and effective way to get on base and my opponent just flat out refuses to make adjustments, then I don't feel cheesy at all at that moment. It would be different if I'd load up my squad with Cobb, Wagner, Mondesi and so on to drag bunt and steal exclusively. Now that's some cheese, although it's extremely easy to defend which apparently not everyone understands.
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@raesone_psn said in Toxic player:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Toxic player:
@raesone_psn said in Toxic player:
Ah yeah those are the worst. Let me say one thing about bunting with Bellinger tho; I used to think this is cheesy and lame as well but I changed my mind on this. You see, 9 out of 10 players in this community have the auto shift turned on because it's on by default. That's lazy and a bailout tactic handed to them by the devs (not a shift in general, but the fact that's is on automatically instead of manually by default).
So with lefty bats who have a shift based on their pull tendency, I pull the ball into the shift so often that's its basically a free out most of the time. Bellinger fits this category. So I started to try and bunt towards 3B to get on base and see if my opponent actually adjusts to it by taking off the shift. If they do, I will swing the bat and no longer get out because of the shift. If they don't, I will bunt against the shift and I'll continue to do so until my opponent makes adjustments. Funnily enough, some players never take the shift off once in a 9 inning game while I'm having a field day bunting against it. Is that me being lame or them being stubborn and dumb?
You do not have to take the shift off, you do have to pitch against the bunt to the 3b side. It is still an easy out if you know how to pitch against the bunt.
Well I won't pretend I'm very good at bunting, because I hardly ever do it. But sometimes I will do it against the shift and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Like that stupid pop up behind the plate or towards the pitcher. So you're probably right. I just wanted to emphasize that I don't think bunting against the shift is cheese per se if a guy doesn't make adjustments.
i agree, I Like when someone tries to bunt against the shift cause I have figured out how to pitch against it. Most of the time they still try with two strikes and foul it off for a strike out. It is easy to get it to go foul as well.
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I wonder if they will fix the extra lead at second, It was 100 percent to pick someone off if they took an extra lead if you knew how to do it.
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If they would make it possible for each team to setup defense before game even starts instead of menu timer, it would eliminate some of the pausing that goes on.
Like a 2 min timer for both teams before game starts and then if you didn't get whole defense set you could then use alotted menu timer to finish it when your team takes field.
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Toxic player:
If they would make it possible for each team to setup defense before game even starts instead of menu timer, it would eliminate some of the pausing that goes on.
Like a 2 min timer for both teams before game starts and then if you didn't get whole defense set you could then use alotted menu timer to finish it when your team takes field
You can set your defense prior to starting any game. They need to add better presets to hitter types
Other position sets for certain situations have it preset you do not have to do it in game
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Toxic player:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Toxic player:
If they would make it possible for each team to setup defense before game even starts instead of menu timer, it would eliminate some of the pausing that goes on.
Like a 2 min timer for both teams before game starts and then if you didn't get whole defense set you could then use alotted menu timer to finish it when your team takes field
You can set your defense prior to starting any game. They need to add better presets to hitter types
Other position sets for certain situations have it preset you do not have to do it in game
Without menu timer being used? Where?
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Toxic player:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Toxic player:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Toxic player:
If they would make it possible for each team to setup defense before game even starts instead of menu timer, it would eliminate some of the pausing that goes on.
Like a 2 min timer for both teams before game starts and then if you didn't get whole defense set you could then use alotted menu timer to finish it when your team takes field
You can set your defense prior to starting any game. They need to add better presets to hitter types
Other position sets for certain situations have it preset you do not have to do it in game
Without menu timer being used? Where?
Let me be clear, you can take off the auto shift not sure what else you can do,They need more presets. Waiting 2 min for you to set defense is not a good idea. Most people want to get in the game and play. It need to be set prior to matching up in menu settings.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Toxic player:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Toxic player:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Toxic player:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Toxic player:
If they would make it possible for each team to setup defense before game even starts instead of menu timer, it would eliminate some of the pausing that goes on.
Like a 2 min timer for both teams before game starts and then if you didn't get whole defense set you could then use alotted menu timer to finish it when your team takes field
You can set your defense prior to starting any game. They need to add better presets to hitter types
Other position sets for certain situations have it preset you do not have to do it in game
Without menu timer being used? Where?
Let me be clear, you can take off the auto shift not sure what else you can do,They need more presets
Oh yeah you can do that in main setting of game b4 going into DD.
I'm refferring to both teams at same time setting up defenses in H2H b4 first pitch and then ready up type scenario.
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Toxic player:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Toxic player:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Toxic player:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Toxic player:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Toxic player:
If they would make it possible for each team to setup defense before game even starts instead of menu timer, it would eliminate some of the pausing that goes on.
Like a 2 min timer for both teams before game starts and then if you didn't get whole defense set you could then use alotted menu timer to finish it when your team takes field
You can set your defense prior to starting any game. They need to add better presets to hitter types
Other position sets for certain situations have it preset you do not have to do it in game
Without menu timer being used? Where?
Let me be clear, you can take off the auto shift not sure what else you can do,They need more presets
Oh yeah you can do that in main setting of game b4 going into DD.
I'm refferring to both teams at same time setting up defenses in H2H b4 first pitch and then ready up type scenario.
Yeah but it would nice to set up defenses in the menu setting for scenarios, Then when that scenario appears it will auto to it or you can select say like 1,2,3,4, or 5 in a quick menu.