Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19
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@drunk_wizard509 said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
People only dislike 20 because they aren't as good as they think they are
Yeah I know eh, online casuals want instant gratification....they don't put in the effort and expect to be good at the game in a week.
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@drunk_wizard509 said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
People only dislike 20 because they aren't as good as they think they are
I [censored] love 20, but this is a glaring issue.
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@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@drunk_wizard509 said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
20 has the most skill. Its because of covid that there are just so many people that put a lot of hours in that it created a lot of depth in the higher divisions. Covid really impacted the game this year imo
There is no other mlb game that you can check swing and foul tip as consistently and get mistake meatballs on perfect meters. That is all catered to the bad player. And they reek havoc in 20— 20 is far less skill based then all of the other mlbs with the exception of 18 which is just really bad in more ways then 1.
Even in 18 you couldn’t check swing and foul tip.
And you might say — that’s only one thing. But it’s a HUGE deal. It’s the difference in a pitcher at 80 pitches and 25 pitches. And it happens literally every single game.
A lot of people that had success in 20 will not have success in 21. 20 has glorified the [censored] swinger with no plate vision. That is the only mlb that has this feature...and you’re saying it’s the MOST skill. The game that is the easiest to never fail is the most skill?
I made my living foul tipping pitches in mlb 19, so I really don't know what you're talking about. I guess the jist of your argument is its too easy to check swing and that flaw makes it worse than most other years? I don't agree.
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@drunk_wizard509 said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@drunk_wizard509 said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
20 has the most skill. Its because of covid that there are just so many people that put a lot of hours in that it created a lot of depth in the higher divisions. Covid really impacted the game this year imo
There is no other mlb game that you can check swing and foul tip as consistently and get mistake meatballs on perfect meters. That is all catered to the bad player. And they reek havoc in 20— 20 is far less skill based then all of the other mlbs with the exception of 18 which is just really bad in more ways then 1.
Even in 18 you couldn’t check swing and foul tip.
And you might say — that’s only one thing. But it’s a HUGE deal. It’s the difference in a pitcher at 80 pitches and 25 pitches. And it happens literally every single game.
A lot of people that had success in 20 will not have success in 21. 20 has glorified the [censored] swinger with no plate vision. That is the only mlb that has this feature...and you’re saying it’s the MOST skill. The game that is the easiest to never fail is the most skill?
I made my living foul tipping pitches in mlb 19, so I really don't know what you're talking about. I guess the jist of your argument is its too easy to check swing and that flaw makes it worse than most other years? I don't agree.
It’s easier to foul tip in 20 then 19. Go back and try. I just did.
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@joshjays44_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@drunk_wizard509 said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
People only dislike 20 because they aren't as good as they think they are
Yeah I know eh, online casuals want instant gratification....they don't put in the effort and expect to be good at the game in a week.
The online casuals thrive in 20...
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I have a feeling you'll be disappointed in 21 as well, and every year after that.
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@ch2423_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I have a feeling you'll be disappointed in 21 as well, and every year after that.
I got 12 wins in 21 in my first BR run and rarely lost. I used to love this game back when it was good. Not that being good in the game makes me like it because I was World Series the last e few years and didn’t like the game. However I think some of you don’t realize what the game is like when all of the handicaps are removed. It’s a whole different game.
That’s basically what they do to make it “more competitive” they remove handicaps.
Imo 20 had the most handicaps. If not then why would they be “bringing back competitive”. If it never left???
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Is anyone going to complain (besides me) that it is entirely too easy to get a full diamond squad??? I remember when a 90 was actually a really good card. Now if you don’t have a team of 93+ you are trash. Not only that but I believe in ‘20 it took about a week to get a full diamond squad. It’s garbage. Look at the market, it makes the market garbage too.
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@shwaxxdiggs_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
Is anyone going to complain (besides me) that it is entirely too easy to get a full diamond squad??? I remember when a 90 was actually a really good card. Now if you don’t have a team of 93+ you are trash. Not only that but I believe in ‘20 it took about a week to get a full diamond squad. It’s garbage. Look at the market, it makes the market garbage too.
I 100% agree. A team full of 99s is every single game. They need to make it so these kind of cards are locked behind gameplay.
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@shwaxxdiggs_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
Is anyone going to complain (besides me) that it is entirely too easy to get a full diamond squad??? I remember when a 90 was actually a really good card. Now if you don’t have a team of 93+ you are trash. Not only that but I believe in ‘20 it took about a week to get a full diamond squad. It’s garbage. Look at the market, it makes the market garbage too.
So you want The Show to basically become like Madden where the only way to have a good team is through microtransactions? Being able to put together a team capable of competing online without spending a single cent of real money is what makes The Show great and puts it above and beyond the video games of the 3 other major sports, at least in my opinion.
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@nbianco1999_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@shwaxxdiggs_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
Is anyone going to complain (besides me) that it is entirely too easy to get a full diamond squad??? I remember when a 90 was actually a really good card. Now if you don’t have a team of 93+ you are trash. Not only that but I believe in ‘20 it took about a week to get a full diamond squad. It’s garbage. Look at the market, it makes the market garbage too.
So you want The Show to basically become like Madden where the only way to have a good team is through microtransactions? Being able to put together a team capable of competing online without spending a single cent of real money is what makes The Show great and puts it above and beyond the video games of the 3 other major sports, at least in my opinion.
That wasn’t the case years ago...most teams online were pretty balanced. You’d see full Diamond teams but seeing a 99 was rare...it’s not that they should be locked behind micro transactions. But more grinding would be nice so we don’t see full 99 squads by the 2nd inning
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@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@nbianco1999_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@shwaxxdiggs_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
Is anyone going to complain (besides me) that it is entirely too easy to get a full diamond squad??? I remember when a 90 was actually a really good card. Now if you don’t have a team of 93+ you are trash. Not only that but I believe in ‘20 it took about a week to get a full diamond squad. It’s garbage. Look at the market, it makes the market garbage too.
So you want The Show to basically become like Madden where the only way to have a good team is through microtransactions? Being able to put together a team capable of competing online without spending a single cent of real money is what makes The Show great and puts it above and beyond the video games of the 3 other major sports, at least in my opinion.
That wasn’t the case years ago...most teams online were pretty balanced. You’d see full Diamond teams but seeing a 99 was rare...it’s not that they should be locked behind micro transactions. But more grinding would be nice so we don’t see full 99 squads by the 2nd inning
Could you even make a full 99 squad before the 6th inning this year (without prestige levels)? And don’t forget the impact COVID had on how many people flew through the xp path.
Besides, having more 99s and more access to them creates lineup diversity in a way that people actually enjoy (because most people like to play with 99s).
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I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
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@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
And HR/9 artificially nerfed exit velos for half the game cycle. There was also still wind in RS for the first 5 or so months as well
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@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
I thought so too...but they aren’t. Whatsoever. They are still bad but 20 is worse. Go load it up you’ll see. I played a game today. You can get outs. Those low balls in the zone and balls in the dirt aren’t an automatic foul tip.
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@the_dragon1912 said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
And HR/9 artificially nerfed exit velos for half the game cycle. There was also still wind in RS for the first 5 or so months as well
That is def a problem. If they fixed that and fixed the middle mistakes, check swings and the ability to foul everything off that would be the best game.
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I think it’s kinda telling that we are all debating which of the last 4-5 years worth of the Show games are worst.
Not, “that year was so great, this year less so” but “that year was expletive garbage, this year less so”.
We have really set the bar low.
21, “ooh, stadium creator and ONE of the things they royally screwed up in 20 might be slightly fixed” and everyone gets excited.
How about no new features but just balanced rewarding gameplay? That would be too much to ask, because apparently the devs know better than us what we want because of all that “data”.
Yeah, as you can see, my expectations are low.
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@halfbutt_psn said in
How about no new features but just balanced rewarding gameplay? That would be too much to ask, because apparently the devs know better than us what we want because of all that “data”.
Yeah, as you can see, my expectations are low.
The problem with your argument is saying “they know better than us”. Who exactly is “us”? The couple hundred people who post on this forum? The 5k or so that tune into their streams? Or perhaps the data they have from the 100k+ that actually play the game.
I am not saying that SDS shouldn’t improve gameplay, but they should improve it based on the data from ALL of their customers, not just the few of us that post in forums, etc.
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@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
I thought so too...but they aren’t. Whatsoever. They are still bad but 20 is worse. Go load it up you’ll see. I played a game today. You can get outs. Those low balls in the zone and balls in the dirt aren’t an automatic foul tip.
I don't believe they are worse, strikeouts are way up in 20 compared to 19, I never had a pitcher with a 9 K/9 in 2019, and almost all of my pitchers are in 20. Foul balls are still bad in 20, but they aren't worse then 19.
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@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
I thought so too...but they aren’t. Whatsoever. They are still bad but 20 is worse. Go load it up you’ll see. I played a game today. You can get outs. Those low balls in the zone and balls in the dirt aren’t an automatic foul tip.
I don't believe they are worse, strikeouts are way up in 20 compared to 19, I never had a pitcher with a 9 K/9 in 2019, and almost all of my pitchers are in 20. Foul balls are still bad in 20, but they aren't worse then 19.
I would had agreed with you if I didn’t load up the game today and play it online. I went like 13-0 with most of the games ppl just quit in the 2nd inning but the games I did finish which was about 2. The pitching was absolutely better. What was annoying was the lineout or homerun meta — however people were def striking out because one they couldn’t check swing effectively and 2. That ball low in the zone was usually a strike and very hard to foul off. People did foul off balls inside and outside and above the zone but the low pitch that everyone chases online were all strikes.
I wasn’t a big fan of 19 even though I made WS a bunch but it was imo much more competitive then 20 in the sense that in 20 you can just swing at every pitch, check swing, and wait for a mistake.
They are both bad versions of the game
