Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19
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@shwaxxdiggs_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
Is anyone going to complain (besides me) that it is entirely too easy to get a full diamond squad??? I remember when a 90 was actually a really good card. Now if you don’t have a team of 93+ you are trash. Not only that but I believe in ‘20 it took about a week to get a full diamond squad. It’s garbage. Look at the market, it makes the market garbage too.
So you want The Show to basically become like Madden where the only way to have a good team is through microtransactions? Being able to put together a team capable of competing online without spending a single cent of real money is what makes The Show great and puts it above and beyond the video games of the 3 other major sports, at least in my opinion.
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@nbianco1999_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@shwaxxdiggs_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
Is anyone going to complain (besides me) that it is entirely too easy to get a full diamond squad??? I remember when a 90 was actually a really good card. Now if you don’t have a team of 93+ you are trash. Not only that but I believe in ‘20 it took about a week to get a full diamond squad. It’s garbage. Look at the market, it makes the market garbage too.
So you want The Show to basically become like Madden where the only way to have a good team is through microtransactions? Being able to put together a team capable of competing online without spending a single cent of real money is what makes The Show great and puts it above and beyond the video games of the 3 other major sports, at least in my opinion.
That wasn’t the case years ago...most teams online were pretty balanced. You’d see full Diamond teams but seeing a 99 was rare...it’s not that they should be locked behind micro transactions. But more grinding would be nice so we don’t see full 99 squads by the 2nd inning
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@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@nbianco1999_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@shwaxxdiggs_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
Is anyone going to complain (besides me) that it is entirely too easy to get a full diamond squad??? I remember when a 90 was actually a really good card. Now if you don’t have a team of 93+ you are trash. Not only that but I believe in ‘20 it took about a week to get a full diamond squad. It’s garbage. Look at the market, it makes the market garbage too.
So you want The Show to basically become like Madden where the only way to have a good team is through microtransactions? Being able to put together a team capable of competing online without spending a single cent of real money is what makes The Show great and puts it above and beyond the video games of the 3 other major sports, at least in my opinion.
That wasn’t the case years ago...most teams online were pretty balanced. You’d see full Diamond teams but seeing a 99 was rare...it’s not that they should be locked behind micro transactions. But more grinding would be nice so we don’t see full 99 squads by the 2nd inning
Could you even make a full 99 squad before the 6th inning this year (without prestige levels)? And don’t forget the impact COVID had on how many people flew through the xp path.
Besides, having more 99s and more access to them creates lineup diversity in a way that people actually enjoy (because most people like to play with 99s).
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I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
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@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
And HR/9 artificially nerfed exit velos for half the game cycle. There was also still wind in RS for the first 5 or so months as well
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@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
I thought so too...but they aren’t. Whatsoever. They are still bad but 20 is worse. Go load it up you’ll see. I played a game today. You can get outs. Those low balls in the zone and balls in the dirt aren’t an automatic foul tip.
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@the_dragon1912 said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
And HR/9 artificially nerfed exit velos for half the game cycle. There was also still wind in RS for the first 5 or so months as well
That is def a problem. If they fixed that and fixed the middle mistakes, check swings and the ability to foul everything off that would be the best game.
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I think it’s kinda telling that we are all debating which of the last 4-5 years worth of the Show games are worst.
Not, “that year was so great, this year less so” but “that year was expletive garbage, this year less so”.
We have really set the bar low.
21, “ooh, stadium creator and ONE of the things they royally screwed up in 20 might be slightly fixed” and everyone gets excited.
How about no new features but just balanced rewarding gameplay? That would be too much to ask, because apparently the devs know better than us what we want because of all that “data”.
Yeah, as you can see, my expectations are low.
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@halfbutt_psn said in
How about no new features but just balanced rewarding gameplay? That would be too much to ask, because apparently the devs know better than us what we want because of all that “data”.
Yeah, as you can see, my expectations are low.
The problem with your argument is saying “they know better than us”. Who exactly is “us”? The couple hundred people who post on this forum? The 5k or so that tune into their streams? Or perhaps the data they have from the 100k+ that actually play the game.
I am not saying that SDS shouldn’t improve gameplay, but they should improve it based on the data from ALL of their customers, not just the few of us that post in forums, etc.
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@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
I thought so too...but they aren’t. Whatsoever. They are still bad but 20 is worse. Go load it up you’ll see. I played a game today. You can get outs. Those low balls in the zone and balls in the dirt aren’t an automatic foul tip.
I don't believe they are worse, strikeouts are way up in 20 compared to 19, I never had a pitcher with a 9 K/9 in 2019, and almost all of my pitchers are in 20. Foul balls are still bad in 20, but they aren't worse then 19.
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@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
I thought so too...but they aren’t. Whatsoever. They are still bad but 20 is worse. Go load it up you’ll see. I played a game today. You can get outs. Those low balls in the zone and balls in the dirt aren’t an automatic foul tip.
I don't believe they are worse, strikeouts are way up in 20 compared to 19, I never had a pitcher with a 9 K/9 in 2019, and almost all of my pitchers are in 20. Foul balls are still bad in 20, but they aren't worse then 19.
I would had agreed with you if I didn’t load up the game today and play it online. I went like 13-0 with most of the games ppl just quit in the 2nd inning but the games I did finish which was about 2. The pitching was absolutely better. What was annoying was the lineout or homerun meta — however people were def striking out because one they couldn’t check swing effectively and 2. That ball low in the zone was usually a strike and very hard to foul off. People did foul off balls inside and outside and above the zone but the low pitch that everyone chases online were all strikes.
I wasn’t a big fan of 19 even though I made WS a bunch but it was imo much more competitive then 20 in the sense that in 20 you can just swing at every pitch, check swing, and wait for a mistake.
They are both bad versions of the game
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@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
I thought so too...but they aren’t. Whatsoever. They are still bad but 20 is worse. Go load it up you’ll see. I played a game today. You can get outs. Those low balls in the zone and balls in the dirt aren’t an automatic foul tip.
I don't believe they are worse, strikeouts are way up in 20 compared to 19, I never had a pitcher with a 9 K/9 in 2019, and almost all of my pitchers are in 20. Foul balls are still bad in 20, but they aren't worse then 19.
I would had agreed with you if I didn’t load up the game today and play it online. I went like 13-0 with most of the games ppl just quit in the 2nd inning but the games I did finish which was about 2. The pitching was absolutely better. What was annoying was the lineout or homerun meta — however people were def striking out because one they couldn’t check swing effectively and 2. That ball low in the zone was usually a strike and very hard to foul off. People did foul off balls inside and outside and above the zone but the low pitch that everyone chases online were all strikes.
I wasn’t a big fan of 19 even though I made WS a bunch but it was imo much more competitive then 20 in the sense that in 20 you can just swing at every pitch, check swing, and wait for a mistake.
Check swings in 19 and 20 are the same, SDS never made any improvements or disimprovements to them. They never touched that portion of the game between 19 and 20
You are basing your entire opinion on two games you finished? I played over 1000 games in 2019, foul balls were worse then. I know that as an absolute fact. Your one day of going back doesn't change my mind about that aspect of the gameplay.
Both games are bad when it comes to foul balls, so it's just saying one stink is better than the other, but 2019 was worse.
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@halfbutt_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I think it’s kinda telling that we are all debating which of the last 4-5 years worth of the Show games are worst.
Not, “that year was so great, this year less so” but “that year was expletive garbage, this year less so”.
We have really set the bar low.
21, “ooh, stadium creator and ONE of the things they royally screwed up in 20 might be slightly fixed” and everyone gets excited.
How about no new features but just balanced rewarding gameplay? That would be too much to ask, because apparently the devs know better than us what we want because of all that “data”.
Yeah, as you can see, my expectations are low.
I know it’s sad...I didn’t have high hopes for 21 either but after the beta I am optimistic
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@gradekthebard said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@halfbutt_psn said in
How about no new features but just balanced rewarding gameplay? That would be too much to ask, because apparently the devs know better than us what we want because of all that “data”.
Yeah, as you can see, my expectations are low.
The problem with your argument is saying “they know better than us”. Who exactly is “us”? The couple hundred people who post on this forum? The 5k or so that tune into their streams? Or perhaps the data they have from the 100k+ that actually play the game.
I am not saying that SDS shouldn’t improve gameplay, but they should improve it based on the data from ALL of their customers, not just the few of us that post in forums, etc.
They tried that that’s not what they should do. What they should do is just make a competitive game that has a learning curve and don’t cater to any player at all. The people that LEARN the game succeed the people that don’t learn — practice or do something else...play offline. The idea of just creating things in a video game in order for people to want to play it because of their pseudo-success is lame.
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@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
I thought so too...but they aren’t. Whatsoever. They are still bad but 20 is worse. Go load it up you’ll see. I played a game today. You can get outs. Those low balls in the zone and balls in the dirt aren’t an automatic foul tip.
I don't believe they are worse, strikeouts are way up in 20 compared to 19, I never had a pitcher with a 9 K/9 in 2019, and almost all of my pitchers are in 20. Foul balls are still bad in 20, but they aren't worse then 19.
I would had agreed with you if I didn’t load up the game today and play it online. I went like 13-0 with most of the games ppl just quit in the 2nd inning but the games I did finish which was about 2. The pitching was absolutely better. What was annoying was the lineout or homerun meta — however people were def striking out because one they couldn’t check swing effectively and 2. That ball low in the zone was usually a strike and very hard to foul off. People did foul off balls inside and outside and above the zone but the low pitch that everyone chases online were all strikes.
I wasn’t a big fan of 19 even though I made WS a bunch but it was imo much more competitive then 20 in the sense that in 20 you can just swing at every pitch, check swing, and wait for a mistake.
Check swings in 19 and 20 are the same, SDS never made any improvements or disimprovements to them. They never touched that portion of the game between 19 and 20
You are basing your entire opinion on two games you finished? I played over 1000 games in 2019, foul balls were worse then. I know that as an absolute fact. Your one day of going back doesn't change my mind about that aspect of the gameplay.
Both games are bad when it comes to foul balls, so it's just saying one stink is better than the other, but 2019 was worse.
Like I said. They aren’t as bad. I also played the game that much. And before I played today I would had agreed with you. You are a year removed from it. Yes the foul balls are bad...but they are MUCH worse in 20.
in retrospect you are thinking they aren’t as bad because you remember them being terrible and they were. I promise you 20 is worse...there’s no doubt about it.
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@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
I thought so too...but they aren’t. Whatsoever. They are still bad but 20 is worse. Go load it up you’ll see. I played a game today. You can get outs. Those low balls in the zone and balls in the dirt aren’t an automatic foul tip.
I don't believe they are worse, strikeouts are way up in 20 compared to 19, I never had a pitcher with a 9 K/9 in 2019, and almost all of my pitchers are in 20. Foul balls are still bad in 20, but they aren't worse then 19.
I would had agreed with you if I didn’t load up the game today and play it online. I went like 13-0 with most of the games ppl just quit in the 2nd inning but the games I did finish which was about 2. The pitching was absolutely better. What was annoying was the lineout or homerun meta — however people were def striking out because one they couldn’t check swing effectively and 2. That ball low in the zone was usually a strike and very hard to foul off. People did foul off balls inside and outside and above the zone but the low pitch that everyone chases online were all strikes.
I wasn’t a big fan of 19 even though I made WS a bunch but it was imo much more competitive then 20 in the sense that in 20 you can just swing at every pitch, check swing, and wait for a mistake.
Check swings in 19 and 20 are the same, SDS never made any improvements or disimprovements to them. They never touched that portion of the game between 19 and 20
You are basing your entire opinion on two games you finished? I played over 1000 games in 2019, foul balls were worse then. I know that as an absolute fact. Your one day of going back doesn't change my mind about that aspect of the gameplay.
Both games are bad when it comes to foul balls, so it's just saying one stink is better than the other, but 2019 was worse.
Like I said. They aren’t as bad. I also played the game that much. And before I played today I would had agreed with you. You are a year removed from it. Yes the foul balls are bad...but they are MUCH worse in 20.
in retrospect you are thinking they aren’t as bad because you remember them being terrible and they were. I promise you 20 was worse
So why have my pitchers strikeouts skyrocketed? I'm not just going off memory here, I am showing statistics behind my stance that 19 is worse.
Increased pitch speeds and outlier surely have a positive effect on strikeout numbers, but none of that would matter if everyone was just able to foul it off, but apparently, they aren't fouling it off as much because I have the strikeout numbers to prove it.
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@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@gradekthebard said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@halfbutt_psn said in
How about no new features but just balanced rewarding gameplay? That would be too much to ask, because apparently the devs know better than us what we want because of all that “data”.
Yeah, as you can see, my expectations are low.
The problem with your argument is saying “they know better than us”. Who exactly is “us”? The couple hundred people who post on this forum? The 5k or so that tune into their streams? Or perhaps the data they have from the 100k+ that actually play the game.
I am not saying that SDS shouldn’t improve gameplay, but they should improve it based on the data from ALL of their customers, not just the few of us that post in forums, etc.
They tried that that’s not what they should do. What they should do is just make a competitive game that has a learning curve and don’t cater to any player at all. The people that LEARN the game succeed the people that don’t learn — practice or do something else...play offline. The idea of just creating things in a video game in order for people to want to play it because of their pseudo-success is lame.
They already have that. And my guess is their data prove this out. Just because YOU don’t think the learning curve is steep enough doesn’t mean there isn’t one or that they aren’t being guided buy actual data.
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@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@eatyum_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I actually think 19 is worse than 20 simply because foul balls were even worse than they are in 20.
I thought so too...but they aren’t. Whatsoever. They are still bad but 20 is worse. Go load it up you’ll see. I played a game today. You can get outs. Those low balls in the zone and balls in the dirt aren’t an automatic foul tip.
I don't believe they are worse, strikeouts are way up in 20 compared to 19, I never had a pitcher with a 9 K/9 in 2019, and almost all of my pitchers are in 20. Foul balls are still bad in 20, but they aren't worse then 19.
I would had agreed with you if I didn’t load up the game today and play it online. I went like 13-0 with most of the games ppl just quit in the 2nd inning but the games I did finish which was about 2. The pitching was absolutely better. What was annoying was the lineout or homerun meta — however people were def striking out because one they couldn’t check swing effectively and 2. That ball low in the zone was usually a strike and very hard to foul off. People did foul off balls inside and outside and above the zone but the low pitch that everyone chases online were all strikes.
I wasn’t a big fan of 19 even though I made WS a bunch but it was imo much more competitive then 20 in the sense that in 20 you can just swing at every pitch, check swing, and wait for a mistake.
Check swings in 19 and 20 are the same, SDS never made any improvements or disimprovements to them. They never touched that portion of the game between 19 and 20
You are basing your entire opinion on two games you finished? I played over 1000 games in 2019, foul balls were worse then. I know that as an absolute fact. Your one day of going back doesn't change my mind about that aspect of the gameplay.
Both games are bad when it comes to foul balls, so it's just saying one stink is better than the other, but 2019 was worse.
Like I said. They aren’t as bad. I also played the game that much. And before I played today I would had agreed with you. You are a year removed from it. Yes the foul balls are bad...but they are MUCH worse in 20.
in retrospect you are thinking they aren’t as bad because you remember them being terrible and they were. I promise you 20 was worse
So why have my pitchers strikeouts skyrocketed? I'm not just going off memory here, I am showing statistics behind my stance that 19 is worse.
Increased pitch speeds and outlier surely have a positive effect on strikeout numbers, but none of that would matter if everyone was just able to foul it off, but apparently, they aren't fouling it off as much because I have the strikeout numbers to prove it.
My Ks per 9 are about the same in both games. About 2 unlike 16 where I averaged 9.
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@a_perfectgame said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@ch2423_psn said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
I have a feeling you'll be disappointed in 21 as well, and every year after that.
I got 12 wins in 21 in my first BR run and rarely lost. I used to love this game back when it was good. Not that being good in the game makes me like it because I was World Series the last e few years and didn’t like the game. However I think some of you don’t realize what the game is like when all of the handicaps are removed. It’s a whole different game.
That’s basically what they do to make it “more competitive” they remove handicaps.
Imo 20 had the most handicaps. If not then why would they be “bringing back competitive”. If it never left???
Agree with this
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@gradekthebard said in Went back and played 16,17,18 and 19:
@halfbutt_psn said in
How about no new features but just balanced rewarding gameplay? That would be too much to ask, because apparently the devs know better than us what we want because of all that “data”.
Yeah, as you can see, my expectations are low.
The problem with your argument is saying “they know better than us”. Who exactly is “us”? The couple hundred people who post on this forum? The 5k or so that tune into their streams? Or perhaps the data they have from the 100k+ that actually play the game.
I am not saying that SDS shouldn’t improve gameplay, but they should improve it based on the data from ALL of their customers, not just the few of us that post in forums, etc.
I don’t disagree with you. My point is aimed more at the underlying paradigm that has revealed itself through the last few years of game releases.
I have no doubt whatsoever that SDS is making the game for the many and not the few. I suppose it is naive for me to hope for anything other than what the data says will keep the largest number of customers engaged and spending money.
