Pitch Framing Idea

SDS

I know people have talked about pitch framing on this site, and maybe someone has already put this idea forth, but I think the attribute should slightly affect the size of the strike zone. A catcher with 99 framing would show a larger strike zone and a catcher with low pitch framing would show a smaller one. Nothing drastic, and maybe it’s offset by a combo of vision / discipline. It would certainly make defensive catchers more valuable.

Thoughts?

SDS

@themadhatter711 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

I know people have talked about pitch framing on this site, and maybe someone has already put this idea forth, but I think the attribute should slightly affect the size of the strike zone. A catcher with 99 framing would show a larger strike zone and a catcher with low pitch framing would show a smaller one. Nothing drastic, and maybe it’s offset by a combo of vision / discipline. It would certainly make defensive catchers more valuable.

Thoughts?

A good idea in theory, however in practice I think the less variables SDS has to incorporate will make for a better experience.

Also, before any type of framing attribute I'd like to see a hustle or urgency attribute. At least then I'd have some idea as to why my fielders choose to casually turn and throw a ball in from the warning track, or jog to a fly ball, or simply jogging down to first base. Im sure all these things have infuriated all of us at least once.

That being said, only if it works. If they can't get it right, then I go back to my less variables argument.

SDS

I agree with Shaun. The less variables, the better, for consistent gameplay, imo.

SDS

I’m on the side of more variables and I like the framing idea as well as another fielding variable.

We need variables to differentiate players. If we want input to matter more then the difficulty of getting good inputs needs to be determined by the combination of variables in play (attributes of players involved, situational variables) to differentiate between players (eg how is 90 arm strength different to 99.

If we don’t want inputs to matter more then we still need more variables to differentiate players.

More variables for the win.

Cue responses about devs not even getting it right with the variables we have. 🙂

SDS

@themadhatter711 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

I know people have talked about pitch framing on this site, and maybe someone has already put this idea forth, but I think the attribute should slightly affect the size of the strike zone. A catcher with 99 framing would show a larger strike zone and a catcher with low pitch framing would show a smaller one. Nothing drastic, and maybe it’s offset by a combo of vision / discipline. It would certainly make defensive catchers more valuable.

Thoughts?

So its a good idea on paper, but in a game, I think it'll be full of bull, because then I'm getting screwed because my strike zone is expanded, making me swing at bad pitches because I have no idea whether or not it will be a strike, especially because I consider myself to be a fairly disciplined hitter, I'm going to have to deal with pitches that aren't normally strikes, now being called against me.

SDS

I prefer less variables because it only adds more RNG dicerolls and randomness. I can already hear the outcry all over this forum, Twitch and YouTube about how some guy got on the wrong end of a controversial call in a game clinching situation. No thanks.

SDS

@dingers4days14 and @raesone

Here’s the thing, I don’t think it’s a dice roll at all. Before the pitch is thrown you can see the expanded strike zone so there are no surprises. It’s the same as how Judge and Rollins have different size strike zones.

SDS

@themadhatter711 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@dingers4days14 and @raesone

Here’s the thing, I don’t think it’s a dice roll at all. Before the pitch is thrown you can see the expanded strike zone so there are no surprises. It’s the same as how Judge and Rollins have different size strike zones.

I understood what your point was but I still think it's a terrible idea, because that just means the hitter has to swing at crappy borderline pitches(meaning swinging at pitches that would have been balls, because they are now borderline). And it really isn't the same between judge and Rollins, because those are adjusted for their height, while the strike zone you are talking about would be increasing it in size equally, both horizontally and vertically.

SDS

@themadhatter711 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

I know people have talked about pitch framing on this site, and maybe someone has already put this idea forth, but I think the attribute should slightly affect the size of the strike zone. A catcher with 99 framing would show a larger strike zone and a catcher with low pitch framing would show a smaller one. Nothing drastic, and maybe it’s offset by a combo of vision / discipline. It would certainly make defensive catchers more valuable.

Thoughts?

I would hate it if The Show in any way validated pitch framing as legitimate strategy as opposed to the light cheating it is in fact. I would love to see a ridiculous framing attempt answered with an ejection of the catcher

SDS

@Onyx_Hokie_2 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@themadhatter711 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

I know people have talked about pitch framing on this site, and maybe someone has already put this idea forth, but I think the attribute should slightly affect the size of the strike zone. A catcher with 99 framing would show a larger strike zone and a catcher with low pitch framing would show a smaller one. Nothing drastic, and maybe it’s offset by a combo of vision / discipline. It would certainly make defensive catchers more valuable.

Thoughts?

I would hate it if The Show in any way validated pitch framing as legitimate strategy as opposed to the light cheating it is in fact. I would love to see a ridiculous framing attempt answered with an ejection of the catcher

I suppose sliding to avoid the tag is also cheating?

SDS

@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@Onyx_Hokie_2 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@themadhatter711 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

I know people have talked about pitch framing on this site, and maybe someone has already put this idea forth, but I think the attribute should slightly affect the size of the strike zone. A catcher with 99 framing would show a larger strike zone and a catcher with low pitch framing would show a smaller one. Nothing drastic, and maybe it’s offset by a combo of vision / discipline. It would certainly make defensive catchers more valuable.

Thoughts?

I would hate it if The Show in any way validated pitch framing as legitimate strategy as opposed to the light cheating it is in fact. I would love to see a ridiculous framing attempt answered with an ejection of the catcher

I suppose sliding to avoid the tag is also cheating?

Are you being serious?

Pitch framing is an attempt to trick the umpire into making an incorrect call. To even attempt equating such an action with sliding is just baffling, either in the lack of knowledge or veracity on display.

SDS

@Onyx_Hokie_2 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@Onyx_Hokie_2 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@themadhatter711 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

I know people have talked about pitch framing on this site, and maybe someone has already put this idea forth, but I think the attribute should slightly affect the size of the strike zone. A catcher with 99 framing would show a larger strike zone and a catcher with low pitch framing would show a smaller one. Nothing drastic, and maybe it’s offset by a combo of vision / discipline. It would certainly make defensive catchers more valuable.

Thoughts?

I would hate it if The Show in any way validated pitch framing as legitimate strategy as opposed to the light cheating it is in fact. I would love to see a ridiculous framing attempt answered with an ejection of the catcher

I suppose sliding to avoid the tag is also cheating?

Are you being serious?

Pitch framing is an attempt to trick the umpire into making an incorrect call. To even attempt equating such an action with sliding is just baffling, either in the lack of knowledge or veracity on display.

No it was a joke because your opinion sux

SDS

@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@Onyx_Hokie_2 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@Onyx_Hokie_2 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@themadhatter711 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

I know people have talked about pitch framing on this site, and maybe someone has already put this idea forth, but I think the attribute should slightly affect the size of the strike zone. A catcher with 99 framing would show a larger strike zone and a catcher with low pitch framing would show a smaller one. Nothing drastic, and maybe it’s offset by a combo of vision / discipline. It would certainly make defensive catchers more valuable.

Thoughts?

I would hate it if The Show in any way validated pitch framing as legitimate strategy as opposed to the light cheating it is in fact. I would love to see a ridiculous framing attempt answered with an ejection of the catcher

I suppose sliding to avoid the tag is also cheating?

Are you being serious?

Pitch framing is an attempt to trick the umpire into making an incorrect call. To even attempt equating such an action with sliding is just baffling, either in the lack of knowledge or veracity on display.

No it was a joke because your opinion sux

Ah. Well then, bravo. Well done, indeed. An excellent contribution.

SDS

@Onyx_Hokie_2 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@themadhatter711 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

I know people have talked about pitch framing on this site, and maybe someone has already put this idea forth, but I think the attribute should slightly affect the size of the strike zone. A catcher with 99 framing would show a larger strike zone and a catcher with low pitch framing would show a smaller one. Nothing drastic, and maybe it’s offset by a combo of vision / discipline. It would certainly make defensive catchers more valuable.

Thoughts?

I would hate it if The Show in any way validated pitch framing as legitimate strategy as opposed to the light cheating it is in fact. I would love to see a ridiculous framing attempt answered with an ejection of the catcher

I don't think the term cheating applies though, even if you refer to it as "light"

Cheating would mean there is a rule against it, or that it is actively discouraged. Neither of which is true, it's actually encouraged and highly valued.

SDS

@Onyx_Hokie_2 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@Onyx_Hokie_2 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@Onyx_Hokie_2 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@themadhatter711 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

I know people have talked about pitch framing on this site, and maybe someone has already put this idea forth, but I think the attribute should slightly affect the size of the strike zone. A catcher with 99 framing would show a larger strike zone and a catcher with low pitch framing would show a smaller one. Nothing drastic, and maybe it’s offset by a combo of vision / discipline. It would certainly make defensive catchers more valuable.

Thoughts?

I would hate it if The Show in any way validated pitch framing as legitimate strategy as opposed to the light cheating it is in fact. I would love to see a ridiculous framing attempt answered with an ejection of the catcher

I suppose sliding to avoid the tag is also cheating?

Are you being serious?

Pitch framing is an attempt to trick the umpire into making an incorrect call. To even attempt equating such an action with sliding is just baffling, either in the lack of knowledge or veracity on display.

No it was a joke because your opinion sux

Ah. Well then, bravo. Well done, indeed. An excellent contribution.

Thank you good sir

SDS

@themadhatter711 said in Pitch Framing Idea:

@dingers4days14 and @raesone

Here’s the thing, I don’t think it’s a dice roll at all. Before the pitch is thrown you can see the expanded strike zone so there are no surprises. It’s the same as how Judge and Rollins have different size strike zones.

Well in that case I think it's a good idea.

SDS

My galaxy brain theory was that something like this was being introduced in 2021 with how the strike zone played in 2020. But now I'm not so sure.

It would add some variance to roster construction, but exactly how much? If Piazza was more readily available and had terrible framing attributes, would everyone still use him because he mashes? With how the game plays I don't know that it would actually end up mattering all that much and would probably create added frustration since it literally would just be added RNG. Everyone was using Foxx even though he had less than stellar defensive ratings. Power/offense reigns supreme.

They'd really have to overhaul defense significantly for the defense to matter more in general. If they added in a pitch framing mechanic it could open a whole new can of worms. Plus, with the eventual Rise of the RoboUmps, I'm not sure it would even be worth the devtime to innovate, test and implement.

SDS

I don't think the term cheating applies though, even if you refer to it as "light"

Cheating would mean there is a rule against it, or that it is actively discouraged. Neither of which is true, it's actually encouraged and highly valued.

Attempting to gain an advantage by deceiving the official is cheating whether it's spelled out specifically or not.

C/f flopping in basketball, diving in football, etc.