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As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
All the while you've dodged actual fact driven posts for the sake of carrying on some personal vendetta out of spite.
Presenting the use of facts, without actually presenting any, does not bode well for increasing the appearance of one's intelligence.
The hill you want to die on (Stadium Size) actually hurts your argument that Stan should be slower. All these legends older than Stan played in parks the same size or bigger
https://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/ballparks/crosley-field/
Here are some facts on classic ball parks. You’ll see that sizes of ball parks prior to the cookie cutters of the 70’s and 80’s and current stadiums pale in comparison. And due to the asymmetrical nature of these stadiums it made for some interesting hitting situations. The only stadium that has a comparable centerfield to many of the classic stadiums is Comerica in Detroit (420 to dead center) and AT&T in San Francisco (421 to triples ally right center field gap)
You're dense and I can see that. Let's take this slowly here. If Stan Musial has similar stats to Ruth, Gehrig,and Foxx while playing in similarly sized stadiums, how does Musial have 50 speed and the others are over 60?
I guess you have zero understanding of analytics so I will no longer respond to your ignorance. Have a nice day complaining about a video game that slights a player that you believe is some sort of sneaky speed demon. Lol
Musial was faster than babe and all those guys by quite a bit yet he is slower than babe and foxx in game. From what i can tell is that you are trying to compare it to today's players by comparing stadiums but musial isn't faster than today's players. I don't anyone thinks he is as fast as a mookie betts or a trout but again he is faster than ruth. His speed should be higher. How they figure old time guys speed is a mystery that probably should be explained.
There is no evidence to support their claim that Musial is in fact faster than the players they mention. Using stats from then to now is not evidence it’s anecdotal which by its nature is not evidence. I can make the claim that Gary Sheffield was pretty fast however his stolen base attempts don’t suggest this. Neither does his career doubles or triples also don’t support this claim hence the term anecdotal. We certainly can’t make a claim that Musial was faster than Babe as they didn’t play in the same era and I’m quite sure they never had a foot race. Sourcing stats like triples and doubles doesn’t make a quality argument. Maybe Babe didn’t try to stretch a double into a triple when he had the opportunity to or maybe he was instructed by his coaches to not try to do such things based on the team’s philosophy regarding this stuff. Or personal preferences. It’s just not a legitimate argument. I can only conclude that stadium size probably had a lot to do with Stans ability to leg out as many triples as he did. But it certainly doesn’t prove who was a faster player.
I don’t think you know what “anecdotal” means.
If I were to say, “Musial hit more triples than Babe Ruth, and therefore all players from the 1940s were faster than players in the 1920s,” that would be anecdotal evidence and therefore, not evidence to support the claim.
Comparing two or more players directly is not anecdotal. The distance between bases were the same in Ruth’s day as they were in Musial’s. They played in similar ballparks, or even smaller for Musial. It isn’t anecdotal. It’s a fair comparison and the stats don’t lie.
Anecdotal means evidence that is collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony. This is also called presumptive evidence. Which is exactly what you and your buddy are doing. You are making presumption about something that can’t be quantified. You argue based on a stat that has nothing to do with speed. One could hit a 480 foot line drive at the polo grounds and I could say my grandma could leg that out for a triple. I have no basis of fact to make this statement as my grandma has been dead for 25 years and the polo grounds is just a parking lot now. The comment has zero merit because it’s purely speculative. I’m not sure how you two are not grasping this point. Unless you put these individuals in a foot race together and have the correct measuring tools available you cannot make a fact based argument that anything that you’re arguing is even remotely valid. This would be called empirical evidence which is something you do not have. Hell I can Freddie Freeman is one of the greatest base stealers of all time as he has a nearly 90 percent success rate when he does attempt it. I would however be laughed at for making that statement because he is neither a base stealer nor a fast runner based on the empirical evidence that is available to counter my statement. All you want to do is whine and complain about something as mundane as Stan Musials 47 speed.
Okay, then why are you opposed to giving him 60 speed?
I’m not, but you guys haven’t given me any info which suggest that SDS made some egregious error. To me it’s just complaining over nothing
You've provided zero evidence to support not raising his speed rating. You also brought up the field sizes first. You are now trying to strawman the discussion because you've failed to make a point and wish for us to do it for you
️Please continue your useless crusade buddy. What a waste of time. And yes I regret having gotten sucked in. I should’ve just laughed at how ridiculous the subject matter was and moved on. Lesson learned. Peace
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As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
All the while you've dodged actual fact driven posts for the sake of carrying on some personal vendetta out of spite.
Presenting the use of facts, without actually presenting any, does not bode well for increasing the appearance of one's intelligence.
The hill you want to die on (Stadium Size) actually hurts your argument that Stan should be slower. All these legends older than Stan played in parks the same size or bigger
https://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/ballparks/crosley-field/
Here are some facts on classic ball parks. You’ll see that sizes of ball parks prior to the cookie cutters of the 70’s and 80’s and current stadiums pale in comparison. And due to the asymmetrical nature of these stadiums it made for some interesting hitting situations. The only stadium that has a comparable centerfield to many of the classic stadiums is Comerica in Detroit (420 to dead center) and AT&T in San Francisco (421 to triples ally right center field gap)
You're dense and I can see that. Let's take this slowly here. If Stan Musial has similar stats to Ruth, Gehrig,and Foxx while playing in similarly sized stadiums, how does Musial have 50 speed and the others are over 60?
I guess you have zero understanding of analytics so I will no longer respond to your ignorance. Have a nice day complaining about a video game that slights a player that you believe is some sort of sneaky speed demon. Lol
Musial was faster than babe and all those guys by quite a bit yet he is slower than babe and foxx in game. From what i can tell is that you are trying to compare it to today's players by comparing stadiums but musial isn't faster than today's players. I don't anyone thinks he is as fast as a mookie betts or a trout but again he is faster than ruth. His speed should be higher. How they figure old time guys speed is a mystery that probably should be explained.
There is no evidence to support their claim that Musial is in fact faster than the players they mention. Using stats from then to now is not evidence it’s anecdotal which by its nature is not evidence. I can make the claim that Gary Sheffield was pretty fast however his stolen base attempts don’t suggest this. Neither does his career doubles or triples also don’t support this claim hence the term anecdotal. We certainly can’t make a claim that Musial was faster than Babe as they didn’t play in the same era and I’m quite sure they never had a foot race. Sourcing stats like triples and doubles doesn’t make a quality argument. Maybe Babe didn’t try to stretch a double into a triple when he had the opportunity to or maybe he was instructed by his coaches to not try to do such things based on the team’s philosophy regarding this stuff. Or personal preferences. It’s just not a legitimate argument. I can only conclude that stadium size probably had a lot to do with Stans ability to leg out as many triples as he did. But it certainly doesn’t prove who was a faster player.
I don’t think you know what “anecdotal” means.
If I were to say, “Musial hit more triples than Babe Ruth, and therefore all players from the 1940s were faster than players in the 1920s,” that would be anecdotal evidence and therefore, not evidence to support the claim.
Comparing two or more players directly is not anecdotal. The distance between bases were the same in Ruth’s day as they were in Musial’s. They played in similar ballparks, or even smaller for Musial. It isn’t anecdotal. It’s a fair comparison and the stats don’t lie.
Anecdotal means evidence that is collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony. This is also called presumptive evidence. Which is exactly what you and your buddy are doing. You are making presumption about something that can’t be quantified. You argue based on a stat that has nothing to do with speed. One could hit a 480 foot line drive at the polo grounds and I could say my grandma could leg that out for a triple. I have no basis of fact to make this statement as my grandma has been dead for 25 years and the polo grounds is just a parking lot now. The comment has zero merit because it’s purely speculative. I’m not sure how you two are not grasping this point. Unless you put these individuals in a foot race together and have the correct measuring tools available you cannot make a fact based argument that anything that you’re arguing is even remotely valid. This would be called empirical evidence which is something you do not have. Hell I can Freddie Freeman is one of the greatest base stealers of all time as he has a nearly 90 percent success rate when he does attempt it. I would however be laughed at for making that statement because he is neither a base stealer nor a fast runner based on the empirical evidence that is available to counter my statement. All you want to do is whine and complain about something as mundane as Stan Musials 47 speed.
Okay, then why are you opposed to giving him 60 speed?
I’m not, but you guys haven’t given me any info which suggest that SDS made some egregious error. To me it’s just complaining over nothing
So there is no evidence for his speed to be 47, or 60, or even 80. There is also no evidence for Ruth to have 60, or Foxx to have 65. Both of those players could also have 90 speed, and you wouldn’t care, right?
Then why the heck are you commenting on this thread?
You’re here to lick boots. I’m here for information has to how they come up with the speed attribute for pre-statcast guys.
If you aren’t interested in that, then get lost. You didn’t have to engage here but you chose to. You can chose NOT to at anytime.
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As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
All the while you've dodged actual fact driven posts for the sake of carrying on some personal vendetta out of spite.
Presenting the use of facts, without actually presenting any, does not bode well for increasing the appearance of one's intelligence.
The hill you want to die on (Stadium Size) actually hurts your argument that Stan should be slower. All these legends older than Stan played in parks the same size or bigger
https://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/ballparks/crosley-field/
Here are some facts on classic ball parks. You’ll see that sizes of ball parks prior to the cookie cutters of the 70’s and 80’s and current stadiums pale in comparison. And due to the asymmetrical nature of these stadiums it made for some interesting hitting situations. The only stadium that has a comparable centerfield to many of the classic stadiums is Comerica in Detroit (420 to dead center) and AT&T in San Francisco (421 to triples ally right center field gap)
You're dense and I can see that. Let's take this slowly here. If Stan Musial has similar stats to Ruth, Gehrig,and Foxx while playing in similarly sized stadiums, how does Musial have 50 speed and the others are over 60?
I guess you have zero understanding of analytics so I will no longer respond to your ignorance. Have a nice day complaining about a video game that slights a player that you believe is some sort of sneaky speed demon. Lol
Musial was faster than babe and all those guys by quite a bit yet he is slower than babe and foxx in game. From what i can tell is that you are trying to compare it to today's players by comparing stadiums but musial isn't faster than today's players. I don't anyone thinks he is as fast as a mookie betts or a trout but again he is faster than ruth. His speed should be higher. How they figure old time guys speed is a mystery that probably should be explained.
There is no evidence to support their claim that Musial is in fact faster than the players they mention. Using stats from then to now is not evidence it’s anecdotal which by its nature is not evidence. I can make the claim that Gary Sheffield was pretty fast however his stolen base attempts don’t suggest this. Neither does his career doubles or triples also don’t support this claim hence the term anecdotal. We certainly can’t make a claim that Musial was faster than Babe as they didn’t play in the same era and I’m quite sure they never had a foot race. Sourcing stats like triples and doubles doesn’t make a quality argument. Maybe Babe didn’t try to stretch a double into a triple when he had the opportunity to or maybe he was instructed by his coaches to not try to do such things based on the team’s philosophy regarding this stuff. Or personal preferences. It’s just not a legitimate argument. I can only conclude that stadium size probably had a lot to do with Stans ability to leg out as many triples as he did. But it certainly doesn’t prove who was a faster player.
I don’t think you know what “anecdotal” means.
If I were to say, “Musial hit more triples than Babe Ruth, and therefore all players from the 1940s were faster than players in the 1920s,” that would be anecdotal evidence and therefore, not evidence to support the claim.
Comparing two or more players directly is not anecdotal. The distance between bases were the same in Ruth’s day as they were in Musial’s. They played in similar ballparks, or even smaller for Musial. It isn’t anecdotal. It’s a fair comparison and the stats don’t lie.
Anecdotal means evidence that is collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony. This is also called presumptive evidence. Which is exactly what you and your buddy are doing. You are making presumption about something that can’t be quantified. You argue based on a stat that has nothing to do with speed. One could hit a 480 foot line drive at the polo grounds and I could say my grandma could leg that out for a triple. I have no basis of fact to make this statement as my grandma has been dead for 25 years and the polo grounds is just a parking lot now. The comment has zero merit because it’s purely speculative. I’m not sure how you two are not grasping this point. Unless you put these individuals in a foot race together and have the correct measuring tools available you cannot make a fact based argument that anything that you’re arguing is even remotely valid. This would be called empirical evidence which is something you do not have. Hell I can Freddie Freeman is one of the greatest base stealers of all time as he has a nearly 90 percent success rate when he does attempt it. I would however be laughed at for making that statement because he is neither a base stealer nor a fast runner based on the empirical evidence that is available to counter my statement. All you want to do is whine and complain about something as mundane as Stan Musials 47 speed.
Okay, then why are you opposed to giving him 60 speed?
I’m not, but you guys haven’t given me any info which suggest that SDS made some egregious error. To me it’s just complaining over nothing
You've provided zero evidence to support not raising his speed rating. You also brought up the field sizes first. You are now trying to strawman the discussion because you've failed to make a point and wish for us to do it for you
️Please continue your useless crusade buddy. What a waste of time
I would say the same thing if I made myself look like a dummy for the past few hours.
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Why is it so important that they waste there time to raise the speed of a player no one uses
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@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Why is it so important that they waste there time to raise the speed of a player no one uses
That's not the point of the discussion. If it's not important to you, why are you so offended by it.
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@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Why is it so important that they waste there time to raise the speed of a player no one uses
Part of it is that if he did have more speed, he would be more usable.
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Why is it so important that they waste there time to raise the speed of a player no one uses
That's not the point of the discussion. If it's not important to you, why are you so offended by it.
I’m pretty sure he wanted musials speed raised. I’m not offended. Just saying what I think
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As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
All the while you've dodged actual fact driven posts for the sake of carrying on some personal vendetta out of spite.
Presenting the use of facts, without actually presenting any, does not bode well for increasing the appearance of one's intelligence.
The hill you want to die on (Stadium Size) actually hurts your argument that Stan should be slower. All these legends older than Stan played in parks the same size or bigger
https://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/ballparks/crosley-field/
Here are some facts on classic ball parks. You’ll see that sizes of ball parks prior to the cookie cutters of the 70’s and 80’s and current stadiums pale in comparison. And due to the asymmetrical nature of these stadiums it made for some interesting hitting situations. The only stadium that has a comparable centerfield to many of the classic stadiums is Comerica in Detroit (420 to dead center) and AT&T in San Francisco (421 to triples ally right center field gap)
You're dense and I can see that. Let's take this slowly here. If Stan Musial has similar stats to Ruth, Gehrig,and Foxx while playing in similarly sized stadiums, how does Musial have 50 speed and the others are over 60?
I guess you have zero understanding of analytics so I will no longer respond to your ignorance. Have a nice day complaining about a video game that slights a player that you believe is some sort of sneaky speed demon. Lol
Musial was faster than babe and all those guys by quite a bit yet he is slower than babe and foxx in game. From what i can tell is that you are trying to compare it to today's players by comparing stadiums but musial isn't faster than today's players. I don't anyone thinks he is as fast as a mookie betts or a trout but again he is faster than ruth. His speed should be higher. How they figure old time guys speed is a mystery that probably should be explained.
There is no evidence to support their claim that Musial is in fact faster than the players they mention. Using stats from then to now is not evidence it’s anecdotal which by its nature is not evidence. I can make the claim that Gary Sheffield was pretty fast however his stolen base attempts don’t suggest this. Neither does his career doubles or triples also don’t support this claim hence the term anecdotal. We certainly can’t make a claim that Musial was faster than Babe as they didn’t play in the same era and I’m quite sure they never had a foot race. Sourcing stats like triples and doubles doesn’t make a quality argument. Maybe Babe didn’t try to stretch a double into a triple when he had the opportunity to or maybe he was instructed by his coaches to not try to do such things based on the team’s philosophy regarding this stuff. Or personal preferences. It’s just not a legitimate argument. I can only conclude that stadium size probably had a lot to do with Stans ability to leg out as many triples as he did. But it certainly doesn’t prove who was a faster player.
I don’t think you know what “anecdotal” means.
If I were to say, “Musial hit more triples than Babe Ruth, and therefore all players from the 1940s were faster than players in the 1920s,” that would be anecdotal evidence and therefore, not evidence to support the claim.
Comparing two or more players directly is not anecdotal. The distance between bases were the same in Ruth’s day as they were in Musial’s. They played in similar ballparks, or even smaller for Musial. It isn’t anecdotal. It’s a fair comparison and the stats don’t lie.
Anecdotal means evidence that is collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony. This is also called presumptive evidence. Which is exactly what you and your buddy are doing. You are making presumption about something that can’t be quantified. You argue based on a stat that has nothing to do with speed. One could hit a 480 foot line drive at the polo grounds and I could say my grandma could leg that out for a triple. I have no basis of fact to make this statement as my grandma has been dead for 25 years and the polo grounds is just a parking lot now. The comment has zero merit because it’s purely speculative. I’m not sure how you two are not grasping this point. Unless you put these individuals in a foot race together and have the correct measuring tools available you cannot make a fact based argument that anything that you’re arguing is even remotely valid. This would be called empirical evidence which is something you do not have. Hell I can Freddie Freeman is one of the greatest base stealers of all time as he has a nearly 90 percent success rate when he does attempt it. I would however be laughed at for making that statement because he is neither a base stealer nor a fast runner based on the empirical evidence that is available to counter my statement. All you want to do is whine and complain about something as mundane as Stan Musials 47 speed.
Okay, then why are you opposed to giving him 60 speed?
I’m not, but you guys haven’t given me any info which suggest that SDS made some egregious error. To me it’s just complaining over nothing
You've provided zero evidence to support not raising his speed rating. You also brought up the field sizes first. You are now trying to strawman the discussion because you've failed to make a point and wish for us to do it for you
️Please continue your useless crusade buddy. What a waste of time. And yes I regret having gotten sucked in. I should’ve just laughed at how ridiculous the subject matter was and moved on. Lesson learned. Peace
This guy lmfao
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@formallyforearms said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Why is it so important that they waste there time to raise the speed of a player no one uses
Part of it is that if he did have more speed, he would be more usable.
I used him as I am a cardinals fan. His problem was his fielding animations and his power vs right
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@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Why is it so important that they waste there time to raise the speed of a player no one uses
That's not the point of the discussion. If it's not important to you, why are you so offended by it.
I’m pretty sure he wanted musials speed raised. I’m not offended. Just saying what I think
We would all like his speed raised. The point is to try and get some understanding on the speed difference between them when the information we do have doesn't reflect Musial should be that much slower.
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@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Why is it so important that they waste there time to raise the speed of a player no one uses
That's not the point of the discussion. If it's not important to you, why are you so offended by it.
I’m pretty sure he wanted musials speed raised. I’m not offended. Just saying what I think
We would all like his speed raised. The point is to try and get some understanding on the speed difference between them when the information we do have doesn't reflect Musial should be that much slower
And my argument is that it isn’t that much slower. (13 difference to be exact). Why waste your time changing it when no one uses him.
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Bonified Troll ^^^
Don't be mad you suck at it.
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@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Why is it so important that they waste there time to raise the speed of a player no one uses
That's not the point of the discussion. If it's not important to you, why are you so offended by it.
I’m pretty sure he wanted musials speed raised. I’m not offended. Just saying what I think
We would all like his speed raised. The point is to try and get some understanding on the speed difference between them when the information we do have doesn't reflect Musial should be that much slower
And my argument is that it isn’t that much slower. (13 difference to be exact). Why waste your time changing it when no one uses him.
13 speed is a large difference in the OF and running bases. If it doesn't bother you that much, why continue to come in here about it?
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@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Why is it so important that they waste there time to raise the speed of a player no one uses
That's not the point of the discussion. If it's not important to you, why are you so offended by it.
I’m pretty sure he wanted musials speed raised. I’m not offended. Just saying what I think
We would all like his speed raised. The point is to try and get some understanding on the speed difference between them when the information we do have doesn't reflect Musial should be that much slower
And my argument is that it isn’t that much slower. (13 difference to be exact). Why waste your time changing it when no one uses him.
13 speed is a large difference in the OF and running bases. If it doesn't bother you that much, why continue to come in here about it?
It doesn’t bother me. I’m just replying to mentions. I can go
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@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Bonified Troll ^^^
Don't be mad you suck at it.
And here’s your sign
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@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Why is it so important that they waste there time to raise the speed of a player no one uses
That's not the point of the discussion. If it's not important to you, why are you so offended by it.
I’m pretty sure he wanted musials speed raised. I’m not offended. Just saying what I think
We would all like his speed raised. The point is to try and get some understanding on the speed difference between them when the information we do have doesn't reflect Musial should be that much slower
And my argument is that it isn’t that much slower. (13 difference to be exact). Why waste your time changing it when no one uses him.
I use him. I have 431 at-bats with him. I also play at Forbes and Sportsman Park frequently.
I have 1 triple with him.
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Bonified Troll ^^^
Don't be mad you suck at it.
And here’s your sign
You forgot to post the sign...
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@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Why is it so important that they waste there time to raise the speed of a player no one uses
That's not the point of the discussion. If it's not important to you, why are you so offended by it.
I’m pretty sure he wanted musials speed raised. I’m not offended. Just saying what I think
We would all like his speed raised. The point is to try and get some understanding on the speed difference between them when the information we do have doesn't reflect Musial should be that much slower
And my argument is that it isn’t that much slower. (13 difference to be exact). Why waste your time changing it when no one uses him.
I use him. I have 431 at-bats with him. I also play at Forbes and Sportsman Park frequently.
I have 1 triple with him.
Okay I checked all my players with 60-70 speed with 100+ abs they all have either 0 or 1 triple so again in wouldn’t matter
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