So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Hey tough guy, please actually do some research lmao. Ruth and Gehrig had most of their AB's in stadiums such as The Original Yankee stadium, you know the house that Ruth built, was 490ft to center field League Park was 460ft to Center, Shibe Park was 515ft to CF until 1925, and Tiger Stadium was 440ft to CF.
Gehrig, Ruth, Foxx, etc. all played in similarly sized parks. Musial hit as many doubles and triples as them, if not more. If SB number are similar as are the parks they played in, how does Stan get 48 speed while the others are over 60?
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@the_dragon1912 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
I don’t Know how many times we have to tell you the they don’t base speed on F’n triples man. Am I saying Stan’s speed is accurate? Idk. But using triples as your only argument is stupid
If anything, triples is a fantastic measure of speed for classic players pre-stat-cast. Not saying Musial needs to be a 90.....but given the triples stat alone he should be in the high 60's/low 70's.
Maybe your argument is stupid
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@the_dragon1912 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@shawnzinator13 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@the_dragon1912 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
I don’t Know how many times we have to tell you the they don’t base speed on F’n triples man. Am I saying Stan’s speed is accurate? Idk. But using triples as your only argument is stupid
As another tigers fan here it seems pretty logical to me and far from stupid to expect a guy who led the league in triples to have more than 47 speed shrug. If people wanna be rude and get annoyed by you campaigning for something let em.
And I get that, and don’t really disagree with the OP, as Stan should probably have speed somewhere around where Babe, Foxx, Gehrig are. I just Think it’s a lost cause on increasing stans speed as it was 53 in 18 and 19 and 47(50 when prestiged) now. It’s just too late for anything to happen with it
Most definitely is a lost cause for this year but you never know, his campaigning could lead to next years Stan card getting higher speed. I just don’t understand why it bothers people so much when people make topics on something people think are inaccurate. People can be swayed if there are enough facts but sometimes you just have to agree to disagree respectfully. I’ve visited this board frequently consistently all year and don’t even remember seeing posts complaining about stans speed but it’s prolly bc the topic title didn’t interest me so I just skimmed past it bothering me none.
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@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
Musial hit triples and doubles at a higher clip than Babe as well as a higher steal rate success. Why does babe then have 60 speed compared to Stan’s 47? Doesn’t really add up
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
All the while you've dodged actual fact driven posts for the sake of carrying on some personal vendetta out of spite.
Presenting the use of facts, without actually presenting any, does not bode well for increasing the appearance of one's intelligence.
The hill you want to die on (Stadium Size) actually hurts your argument that Stan should be slower. All these legends older than Stan played in parks the same size or bigger
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@shawnzinator13 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
Musial hit triples and doubles at a higher clip than Babe as well as a higher steal rate success. Why does babe then have 60 speed compared to Stan’s 47? Doesn’t really add up
My guess is that the stolen base didn’t become an integral part of the game until the late 40’s. Which coincides with the period of time that Stan Musial was playing. Ruth had long since retired by this time.
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@shawnzinator13 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
Musial hit triples and doubles at a higher clip than Babe as well as a higher steal rate success. Why does babe then have 60 speed compared to Stan’s 47? Doesn’t really add up
My guess is that the stolen base didn’t become an integral part of the game until the late 40’s. Which coincides with the period of time that Stan Musial was playing. Ruth had long since retired by this time.
Stolen bases not integral before the 40s? You follow baseball at all? Single season stolen base leaders are still filled with players from the 1880s.
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@shawnzinator13 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
Musial hit triples and doubles at a higher clip than Babe as well as a higher steal rate success. Why does babe then have 60 speed compared to Stan’s 47? Doesn’t really add up
My guess is that the stolen base didn’t become an integral part of the game until the late 40’s. Which coincides with the period of time that Stan Musial was playing. Ruth had long since retired by this time.
You're joking right? Babe Ruth changed the game from bunts, steals, slap singles etc. to hitting HRs. Before Babe Ruth players would have double or triple the amount of steals to HRs hit.
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Not sure if this was posted in any previous threads on the topic, but this got me intrigued and I found this an Interesting article:
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/stan-musial-hit-the-heck-out-of-some-triples/
Their research puts his speed as average for today, slightly above average for his era.
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@formallyforearms said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@shawnzinator13 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
Musial hit triples and doubles at a higher clip than Babe as well as a higher steal rate success. Why does babe then have 60 speed compared to Stan’s 47? Doesn’t really add up
My guess is that the stolen base didn’t become an integral part of the game until the late 40’s. Which coincides with the period of time that Stan Musial was playing. Ruth had long since retired by this time.
Stolen bases not integral before the 40s? You follow baseball at all? Single season stolen base leaders are still filled with players from the 1880s.
Dude prior to the 1940’s a stolen base was classified as any extra base taken other than a single. So a person was credited with a stolen base if he hit a double. And was credited with 2 stolen bases if they hit a triple. That’s why stolen base records are modified to modern day based on this fact. What an unbelievable forum. Wow we have some real winners in this forum
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@Freddy_Sez said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Not sure if this was posted in any previous threads on the topic, but this got me intrigued and I found this an Interesting article:
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/stan-musial-hit-the-heck-out-of-some-triples/
Their research puts his speed as average for today, slightly above average for his era.
Good article but it didn’t explain why he had just as many triples on the road where ballpark dimensions weren’t as favorable for hitting triples as his home ball park. Stan really was the ultimate outlier when it came to xbh
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@formallyforearms said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@shawnzinator13 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
Musial hit triples and doubles at a higher clip than Babe as well as a higher steal rate success. Why does babe then have 60 speed compared to Stan’s 47? Doesn’t really add up
My guess is that the stolen base didn’t become an integral part of the game until the late 40’s. Which coincides with the period of time that Stan Musial was playing. Ruth had long since retired by this time.
Stolen bases not integral before the 40s? You follow baseball at all? Single season stolen base leaders are still filled with players from the 1880s.
Dude prior to the 1940’s a stolen base was classified as any extra base taken other than a single. So a person was credited with a stolen base if he hit a double. And was credited with 2 stolen bases if they hit a triple. That’s why stolen base records are modified to modern day based on this fact. What an unbelievable forum. Wow we have some real winners in this forum
So Babe Ruth who played prior to 1940, had 44 doubles and 16 triples in 1921. He had 17 SBs. I can do this with every season of his.
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@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
All the while you've dodged actual fact driven posts for the sake of carrying on some personal vendetta out of spite.
Presenting the use of facts, without actually presenting any, does not bode well for increasing the appearance of one's intelligence.
The hill you want to die on (Stadium Size) actually hurts your argument that Stan should be slower. All these legends older than Stan played in parks the same size or bigger
https://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/ballparks/crosley-field/
Here are some facts on classic ball parks. You’ll see that sizes of ball parks prior to the cookie cutters of the 70’s and 80’s and current stadiums pale in comparison. And due to the asymmetrical nature of these stadiums it made for some interesting hitting situations. The only stadium that has a comparable centerfield to many of the classic stadiums is Comerica in Detroit (420 to dead center) and AT&T in San Francisco (421 to triples ally right center field gap)
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@formallyforearms said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@shawnzinator13 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
Musial hit triples and doubles at a higher clip than Babe as well as a higher steal rate success. Why does babe then have 60 speed compared to Stan’s 47? Doesn’t really add up
My guess is that the stolen base didn’t become an integral part of the game until the late 40’s. Which coincides with the period of time that Stan Musial was playing. Ruth had long since retired by this time.
Stolen bases not integral before the 40s? You follow baseball at all? Single season stolen base leaders are still filled with players from the 1880s.
Dude prior to the 1940’s a stolen base was classified as any extra base taken other than a single. So a person was credited with a stolen base if he hit a double. And was credited with 2 stolen bases if they hit a triple. That’s why stolen base records are modified to modern day based on this fact. What an unbelievable forum. Wow we have some real winners in this forum
Now, read the rule changes in 1898 and 1904. Spoiler alert, those changed the definition of a Stolen Base to what we use today.
Granted double and triple steals weren't addressed until 1910 and
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@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
All the while you've dodged actual fact driven posts for the sake of carrying on some personal vendetta out of spite.
Presenting the use of facts, without actually presenting any, does not bode well for increasing the appearance of one's intelligence.
The hill you want to die on (Stadium Size) actually hurts your argument that Stan should be slower. All these legends older than Stan played in parks the same size or bigger
https://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/ballparks/crosley-field/
Here are some facts on classic ball parks. You’ll see that sizes of ball parks prior to the cookie cutters of the 70’s and 80’s and current stadiums pale in comparison. And due to the asymmetrical nature of these stadiums it made for some interesting hitting situations. The only stadium that has a comparable centerfield to many of the classic stadiums is Comerica in Detroit (420 to dead center) and AT&T in San Francisco (421 to triples ally right center field gap)
You're dense and I can see that. Let's take this slowly here. If Stan Musial has similar stats to Ruth, Gehrig,and Foxx while playing in similarly sized stadiums, how does Musial have 50 speed and the others are over 60?
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
Musial hit triples and doubles at a higher clip than Babe as well as a higher steal rate success. Why does babe then have 60 speed compared to Stan’s 47? Doesn’t really add up
My guess is that the stolen base didn’t become an integral part of the game until the late 40’s. Which coincides with the period of time that Stan Musial was playing. Ruth had long since retired by this time.
Stolen bases not integral before the 40s? You follow baseball at all? Single season stolen base leaders are still filled with players from the 1880s.
Dude prior to the 1940’s a stolen base was classified as any extra base taken other than a single. So a person was credited with a stolen base if he hit a double. And was credited with 2 stolen bases if they hit a triple. That’s why stolen base records are modified to modern day based on this fact. What an unbelievable forum. Wow we have some real winners in this forum
So Babe Ruth who played prior to 1940, had 44 doubles and 16 triples in 1921. He had 17 SBs. I can do this with every season of his.
And you can do this because there is video proof of this. Those guys in the 1800’s don’t have that proof bud that’s why the stats are so skewed. It’s really that simple. The record books can make the case for just about every babe Ruth stat.
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@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
All the while you've dodged actual fact driven posts for the sake of carrying on some personal vendetta out of spite.
Presenting the use of facts, without actually presenting any, does not bode well for increasing the appearance of one's intelligence.
The hill you want to die on (Stadium Size) actually hurts your argument that Stan should be slower. All these legends older than Stan played in parks the same size or bigger
https://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/ballparks/crosley-field/
Here are some facts on classic ball parks. You’ll see that sizes of ball parks prior to the cookie cutters of the 70’s and 80’s and current stadiums pale in comparison. And due to the asymmetrical nature of these stadiums it made for some interesting hitting situations. The only stadium that has a comparable centerfield to many of the classic stadiums is Comerica in Detroit (420 to dead center) and AT&T in San Francisco (421 to triples ally right center field gap)
You're dense and I can see that. Let's take this slowly here. If Stan Musial has similar stats to Ruth, Gehrig,and Foxx while playing in similarly sized stadiums, how does Musial have 50 speed and the others are over 60?
I guess you have zero understanding of analytics so I will no longer respond to your ignorance. Have a nice day complaining about a video game that slights a player that you believe is some sort of sneaky speed demon. Lol
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
All the while you've dodged actual fact driven posts for the sake of carrying on some personal vendetta out of spite.
Presenting the use of facts, without actually presenting any, does not bode well for increasing the appearance of one's intelligence.
The hill you want to die on (Stadium Size) actually hurts your argument that Stan should be slower. All these legends older than Stan played in parks the same size or bigger
https://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/ballparks/crosley-field/
Here are some facts on classic ball parks. You’ll see that sizes of ball parks prior to the cookie cutters of the 70’s and 80’s and current stadiums pale in comparison. And due to the asymmetrical nature of these stadiums it made for some interesting hitting situations. The only stadium that has a comparable centerfield to many of the classic stadiums is Comerica in Detroit (420 to dead center) and AT&T in San Francisco (421 to triples ally right center field gap)
You're dense and I can see that. Let's take this slowly here. If Stan Musial has similar stats to Ruth, Gehrig,and Foxx while playing in similarly sized stadiums, how does Musial have 50 speed and the others are over 60?
I guess you have zero understanding of analytics so I will no longer respond to your ignorance. Have a nice day complaining about a video game that slights a player that you believe is some sort of sneaky speed demon. Lol
What analytical data is available for any of the mentioned legends? You have statcast sprint speeds from the early 1900's to 1940's?
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@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.
Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.
Lol.
Beat it, kid.
Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.
Musial hit triples and doubles at a higher clip than Babe as well as a higher steal rate success. Why does babe then have 60 speed compared to Stan’s 47? Doesn’t really add up
My guess is that the stolen base didn’t become an integral part of the game until the late 40’s. Which coincides with the period of time that Stan Musial was playing. Ruth had long since retired by this time.
Stolen bases not integral before the 40s? You follow baseball at all? Single season stolen base leaders are still filled with players from the 1880s.
Dude prior to the 1940’s a stolen base was classified as any extra base taken other than a single. So a person was credited with a stolen base if he hit a double. And was credited with 2 stolen bases if they hit a triple. That’s why stolen base records are modified to modern day based on this fact. What an unbelievable forum. Wow we have some real winners in this forum
If that’s the case, then there wouldn’t be a category for doubles and triples prior to 1940 and there certainly are those categories. So I smell BS.
But, even if what you’re saying is true (and it could be, idk. I just doubt it), does that make the case for Musial being faster or slower than his 47 rating? Think about it before you answer...
