Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?
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@dommycals007 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@dewrock said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@dommycals007 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@dewrock said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@dommycals007 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
He also stole an MVP from Todd Helton so that alone withdraws him from being allowed in the HOF bc Helton is cool af. That mvp results still irks me
How did he steal an MVP from Helton?
Look at the 2000 season. Helton beats Kent in every major category. Kent just had better team
That’s an entirely different argument, for which there are pros and cons for both players. It's hard to say he stole an award from a guy that came in 5th place in the voting and only had one 1st place vote.
Aside from “he plays in Colorado” give me one con to why he shouldn’t win MVP. Led national league in average (.372), ops, hits, rbis, WAR, on base %, slugging, total bases, doubles and had 42 homers. Kent had 33. So tell me how anybody else winning the mvp wasn’t total robbery from Helton. You don’t know baseball if you don’t think Helton should’ve won honkey
You're being obtuse. I never even made an argument for or against either player winning. Although it could be said that Helton wasn't as good away from Coors and if you extrapolate his away counting stats, they're more comparable to Kent. Kent also played a more premium position and played for a better team. Also they were not that far apart in WAR. My only point was that it's silly to single out Kent for "stealing" the award from Helton, when Helton came in 5th place. They're were 4 other guys that "stole" the award as well.
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@bayareaj1991 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@maurice91932 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
Just goes to show that the way you treat people matters. There is no mathematical formula or baseline stats that get a player into the HoF. Actual human beings vote, so if a guy treats many of those people who have a vote like trash, we can’t really be surprised when they don’t vote for him.
Besides, there has to be really good players that are left out. That’s what makes the Hall the Hall. Kent was a good player, but not good enough for the voters to overlook his d-baggery.
As someone who definitely believes that people should treat other people with respect, I do think it is kind of crazy that that even gets thrown in to the argument for hall of fame. I'm not saying whether or not Kent deserves to be in the hall but at the end of the day it's the baseball hall of fame, not the nice person hall of fame. It should be purely about if his baseball career on the field was good enough to be in the hall. Nothing outside of that should matter (beside cheating).
I’m not saying it’s right. I agree with you in that it shouldn’t matter. But I’m just saying the voters are human beings, not emotionless robots who could just disregard the way Jeff Kent made them feel.
There is a lesson in here somewhere....
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@maurice91932 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@bayareaj1991 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@maurice91932 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
Just goes to show that the way you treat people matters. There is no mathematical formula or baseline stats that get a player into the HoF. Actual human beings vote, so if a guy treats many of those people who have a vote like trash, we can’t really be surprised when they don’t vote for him.
Besides, there has to be really good players that are left out. That’s what makes the Hall the Hall. Kent was a good player, but not good enough for the voters to overlook his d-baggery.
As someone who definitely believes that people should treat other people with respect, I do think it is kind of crazy that that even gets thrown in to the argument for hall of fame. I'm not saying whether or not Kent deserves to be in the hall but at the end of the day it's the baseball hall of fame, not the nice person hall of fame. It should be purely about if his baseball career on the field was good enough to be in the hall. Nothing outside of that should matter (beside cheating).
I’m not saying it’s right. I agree with you in that it shouldn’t matter. But I’m just saying the voters are human beings, not emotionless robots who could just disregard the way Jeff Kent made them feel.
There is a lesson in here somewhere....
Ya I understand. At the end of the day a lot of these guys act like jerks which is pretty sad considering how great their life is. In general people should treat people with respect and too many people don't do that. I do believe though that if you agree to take on the position of being a voter, you need to be able to leave our your personal feelings and not use it as revenge. in my opinion, it's actually disrespectful to the hall of fame to not vote someone in because you let your personal feelings get in the way. I do understand what you're saying though.
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