97 Shane Bieber OR 97 Sonny Gray?
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I need to upgrade a spot in my rotation, and both of their 97 Topps Now cards look affordable. Which pitcher do you all suggest, if I had to pick one?
They have the same control attribute rating at 88 each.
Gray's velocity is rated 9 points higher, though both of their 4 seams are listed at 93 mph, I think.
Bieber's stamina is rated 5 points higher.Is the velocity advantage with Gray enough to overcome the stamina advantage that Bieber has, or the other way around?
Is stamina important enough that 5 stamina points more for Bieber could keep him from losing leads in later innings?
Any help and conversation about this would be appreciated!
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their per 9 attributes are more important...
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I’d probably go with Gray since I’ve always loved using his cards. Also his attributes and speed differentials seem a tad bit better which is good.
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Gray takes years to throw a pitch. I would go biebs for that reason
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@MattWild1 said in 97 Shane Bieber OR 97 Sonny Gray?:
I’d probably go with Gray since I’ve always loved using his cards. Also his attributes and speed differentials seem a tad bit better which is good.
Thank you for the feedback! Gray's card also has a 12-6 curveball, which I would probably enjoy using as well.
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@flamexJD20 said in 97 Shane Bieber OR 97 Sonny Gray?:
their per 9 attributes are more important...
Thank you! I read somewhere on this forum months ago that HR/9 doesn't matter as much online. Would you say that's true?
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@BaseballWithBat5 said in 97 Shane Bieber OR 97 Sonny Gray?:
@flamexJD20 said in 97 Shane Bieber OR 97 Sonny Gray?:
their per 9 attributes are more important...
Thank you! I read somewhere on this forum months ago that HR/9 doesn't matter as much online. Would you say that's true?
That is true, HR/9 does not affect online play. K/9 and H/9 does affect PCI size of your opponent though,
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@mrcityofwin said in 97 Shane Bieber OR 97 Sonny Gray?:
Gray takes years to throw a pitch. I would go biebs for that reason
Thank you. I may try their live series cards in a pitching practice session to see whose delivery I like better.
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@eatyum said in 97 Shane Bieber OR 97 Sonny Gray?:
@BaseballWithBat5 said in 97 Shane Bieber OR 97 Sonny Gray?:
@flamexJD20 said in 97 Shane Bieber OR 97 Sonny Gray?:
their per 9 attributes are more important...
Thank you! I read somewhere on this forum months ago that HR/9 doesn't matter as much online. Would you say that's true?
That is true, HR/9 does not affect online play. K/9 and H/9 does affect PCI size of your opponent though,
Okay, thank you so much. I wasn't sure on HR/9, but the K/9 and H/9 are going to make me think about the decision some more.
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Baby baby baby ohhh
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Gray is doing wonders for me at HOF
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If you can live with Gray's slow windup he's probably the better option
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In 14 innings across 2 starts in RS, I haven’t given up a run with Bieber yet. Both games in the 600’s I think. Not a lot of K’s though.
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Bieber has really good control and you will actually finish the game in 2020. With Sonny, MLB 2021 will be out in stores.
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I've been surprised by Biebs, You'd think with all his pitch speeds bunched together he wouldn't work but he does. I've used him a few times on AS and have not given up many runs, lots of weak contact.
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Beibers junk is all almost the same speed. If u have the patience for Sonny Gray's slow wind-up up I'd say Gray all day
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neither get that Mark buehrle card
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If you use analog Gray is a nightmare with his windup.
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