Shameful ripoff.
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@Bozzman0109 said in Shameful ripoff.:
Soooooo instead of buying packs just buy the card you want. I bet with $200 in stubs you could have completed a few division collections. Better yet you could flip cards and walk away with much more $$$$. Just an opinion from a guy who flips and completed all LS collections in 2 weeks with $0 spent. NBP!!! Never Buy Packs.
NBP is an abbreviation I live by. I bought a lot of packs last year, and just the thought of how much really got lost doing so sunk in.
Now that's not to say I won't open one up here or there to have a little fun, but I don't buy the headliners, I don't buy 50 or 20 bundles, and I think I've bought like maybe 3 10 bundles this year?
Sitting on Mantle and 493k stubs, it''s amazing how fast it stacks up when you don't spend it on pacs
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All about the odds OP.
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@oldgamingdad727 said in Shameful ripoff.:
He pulled Trout, 3 Bregmans, Cole, Heyward, Rendon, 2 Story, Arenado, Degrom, Morton in 80 packs. I got absolutely NOBODY. He got over a million in stubs in one shot. And they can't even give me ONE good player in 80 packs??
So let me see if I'm wrong here, your friend pulled 3 of the top LS players, then 6 of the lower tier round diamonds and Heyward? Out of 80 packs? Man I wish I had this kind of odds on packs.
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You willingly spent $200, nobody forced you to buy in. On your own, you gave $200 of your own money.
It's almost like real life and I'm an avid baseball card collector, however I don't blame Topps if I don't end up with a "hot box" or don't pull the high end auto Trout.
I've bought packs from the shop and didn't pull diamonds and I didn't blame SDS.
This is on you...maybe make smarter decisions with how you spend and quit blaming someone else, or something else. All you.
I am beginning to believe this sense of entitlement theory that's spreading like poison ivy in this forum.
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Trout in the next pack
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I have always found that if a card flashes blue, you have a good chance at pulling a diamond. Anything above blue is just a blur.
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@SchnauzerFace said in Shameful ripoff.:
This recent flood of “packs are a scam!!” threads are even more embarrassing than the “showdown is r0gged!!!” threads.
Packs are a scam tho. The math is easy to see. You should just stick to berating people who aren’t as good at the game as you are.
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@Untchable704 said in Shameful ripoff.:
@SchnauzerFace said in Shameful ripoff.:
This recent flood of “packs are a scam!!” threads are even more embarrassing than the “showdown is r0gged!!!” threads.
Packs are a scam tho. The math is easy to see. You should just stick to berating people who aren’t as good at the game as you are.
"The math" is just people who don't understand how odds work
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@eatyum said in Shameful ripoff.:
@Untchable704 said in Shameful ripoff.:
@SchnauzerFace said in Shameful ripoff.:
This recent flood of “packs are a scam!!” threads are even more embarrassing than the “showdown is r0gged!!!” threads.
Packs are a scam tho. The math is easy to see. You should just stick to berating people who aren’t as good at the game as you are.
"The math" is just people who don't understand how odds work
So let’s say if you get just a bronze or two your pack will be worth somewhere between 100-500 stubs. For this experiment we will say this packs value at 250 stubs. If you pull a silver your pack value is somewhere between 400-800. We will call it 600 as an average for this. If you pull a gold the pack value is somewhere between 1200 and 3000. We will call it 1800 got this because it’s obviously weighted to the lower overalls.
Therefore by their own stated odds on packs if you were to pull 100 packs:
You can expect to pull roughly 55% of packs with only bronze. That equals 13,750.
You can expect to pull 33% of packs with a silver. That would equal 19,800.
You can expect to pull 10% of packs with a gold. That would equal 18,000.
Now going into diamonds you can see we are at 51,500 in stubs value from a 150k pack opening.
That means IF you happened to actually pull 2 diamonds, there is only a combo of 9 diamonds that would actually give you your stubs pack or make stubs.
That has absolutely nothing to do with whether the odds work out and shows mathematically the packs in this game are 100% a scam. Nice try though. And y’all common reply of 1 in 50 won’t produce 1 in 50 makes them even worse.
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Why on god's green earth would ANYONE spend $200 on Packs... People need to realize that for the amount of money to waste on packs they can buy 90% of the cards they are trying to acquire.. Let's just call this what it is.. "I didn't pull Trout, so Im upset, post #123"
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Overall you both beat the 50:1 odds, so the moral of the story is packs are juiced right now!
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When I feel like opening a pack I just exchange a bunch of common, bronze and silver players towards a TA. I get 3 or 6 packs plus I know at least my bronze silver cards (stubs) are going towards an eventual diamond FOF or FS Card. By the end of the season I will want those 99 TA cards so its a good investment. the packs are just a bonus. Not to mention I have pulled several diamonds from those TA packs. This is the only way I will ever recommend getting packs.
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@Untchable704 said in Shameful ripoff.:
@SchnauzerFace said in Shameful ripoff.:
This recent flood of “packs are a scam!!” threads are even more embarrassing than the “showdown is r0gged!!!” threads.
Packs are a scam tho. The math is easy to see. You should just stick to berating people who aren’t as good at the game as you are.
Lolllll when have I EVER done that?? I’m very open about being one of the worst players this game has ever seen. I’ve only play 8 RS games this year and I’m not even to All-Star yet.
And it’s not a “scam” if you can “see” the math.
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@Untchable704 said in Shameful ripoff.:
@eatyum said in Shameful ripoff.:
@Untchable704 said in Shameful ripoff.:
@SchnauzerFace said in Shameful ripoff.:
This recent flood of “packs are a scam!!” threads are even more embarrassing than the “showdown is r0gged!!!” threads.
Packs are a scam tho. The math is easy to see. You should just stick to berating people who aren’t as good at the game as you are.
"The math" is just people who don't understand how odds work
So let’s say if you get just a bronze or two your pack will be worth somewhere between 100-500 stubs. For this experiment we will say this packs value at 250 stubs. If you pull a silver your pack value is somewhere between 400-800. We will call it 600 as an average for this. If you pull a gold the pack value is somewhere between 1200 and 3000. We will call it 1800 got this because it’s obviously weighted to the lower overalls.
Therefore by their own stated odds on packs if you were to pull 100 packs:
You can expect to pull roughly 55% of packs with only bronze. That equals 13,750.
You can expect to pull 33% of packs with a silver. That would equal 19,800.
You can expect to pull 10% of packs with a gold. That would equal 18,000.
Now going into diamonds you can see we are at 51,500 in stubs value from a 150k pack opening.
That means IF you happened to actually pull 2 diamonds, there is only a combo of 9 diamonds that would actually give you your stubs pack or make stubs.
That has absolutely nothing to do with whether the odds work out and shows mathematically the packs in this game are 100% a scam. Nice try though. And y’all common reply of 1 in 50 won’t produce 1 in 50 makes them even worse.
Son. You’re embarrassing yourself. Packs are not supposed to be a +EV investment. They are literally gambling — you only buy them with the hope of beating the long odds and making a big juicy pull. If you think you’re actually supposed to recoup your investment on packs then you shouldn’t be allowed to breed.
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@SchnauzerFace said in Shameful ripoff.:
@Untchable704 said in Shameful ripoff.:
@eatyum said in Shameful ripoff.:
@Untchable704 said in Shameful ripoff.:
@SchnauzerFace said in [Shameful ripoff.](/post/95148
Son. You’re embarrassing yourself. Packs are not supposed to be a +EV investment. They are literally gambling — you only buy them with the hope of beating the long odds and making a big juicy pull. If you think you’re actually supposed to recoup your investment on packs then you shouldn’t be allowed to breed.
Your insults, to try to make yourself feel better on the Internet for whatever shortcomings you have in your life, aside, theres a line between -EV and a straight scam and these are way past that line. When these things finally get marked as gambling and regulated you’ll see the big difference. Shouldn’t be more than a year or two from now, if the sports games survive what ends up happening.
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@Untchable704 said in Shameful ripoff.:
@eatyum said in Shameful ripoff.:
@Untchable704 said in Shameful ripoff.:
@SchnauzerFace said in Shameful ripoff.:
This recent flood of “packs are a scam!!” threads are even more embarrassing than the “showdown is r0gged!!!” threads.
Packs are a scam tho. The math is easy to see. You should just stick to berating people who aren’t as good at the game as you are.
"The math" is just people who don't understand how odds work
So let’s say if you get just a bronze or two your pack will be worth somewhere between 100-500 stubs. For this experiment we will say this packs value at 250 stubs. If you pull a silver your pack value is somewhere between 400-800. We will call it 600 as an average for this. If you pull a gold the pack value is somewhere between 1200 and 3000. We will call it 1800 got this because it’s obviously weighted to the lower overalls.
Therefore by their own stated odds on packs if you were to pull 100 packs:
You can expect to pull roughly 55% of packs with only bronze. That equals 13,750.
You can expect to pull 33% of packs with a silver. That would equal 19,800.
You can expect to pull 10% of packs with a gold. That would equal 18,000.
Now going into diamonds you can see we are at 51,500 in stubs value from a 150k pack opening.
That means IF you happened to actually pull 2 diamonds, there is only a combo of 9 diamonds that would actually give you your stubs pack or make stubs.
That has absolutely nothing to do with whether the odds work out and shows mathematically the packs in this game are 100% a scam. Nice try though. And y’all common reply of 1 in 50 won’t produce 1 in 50 makes them even worse.
Packs were never meant to return on an investment, anyone who purchases them thinking so is the fool. That doesn't make it a scam.
SDS makes no promises you'll make your stubs back, you need to rework your definition of a scam
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@Untchable704 said in Shameful ripoff.:
@SchnauzerFace said in Shameful ripoff.:
@Untchable704 said in Shameful ripoff.:
@eatyum said in Shameful ripoff.:
@Untchable704 said in Shameful ripoff.:
@SchnauzerFace said in [Shameful ripoff.](/post/95148
Son. You’re embarrassing yourself. Packs are not supposed to be a +EV investment. They are literally gambling — you only buy them with the hope of beating the long odds and making a big juicy pull. If you think you’re actually supposed to recoup your investment on packs then you shouldn’t be allowed to breed.
Your insults, to try to make yourself feel better on the Internet for whatever shortcomings you have in your life, aside, theres a line between -EV and a straight scam and these are way past that line. When these things finally get marked as gambling and regulated you’ll see the big difference. Shouldn’t be more than a year or two from now, if the sports games survive what ends up happening.
Yes, the “line” between being -EV and a scam is lying. SDS is up front about the long odds.
I don’t understand why you don’t see this, as you do seem to grok the math. The truth, imo, is that you’re not actually mad at SDS for the crummy pack odds. You’re just mad at yourself for understanding how terrible the odds are and still choosing to drop money on it anyway.
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@eatyum said in Shameful ripoff.:
@Untchable704 said in Shameful ripoff.:
@eatyum said in Shameful ripoff.:
@Untchable704 said in Shameful ripoff.:
@SchnauzerFace said in Shameful ripoff.:
This recent flood of “packs are a scam!!” threads are even more embarrassing than the “showdown is r0gged!!!” threads.
Packs are a scam tho. The math is easy to see. You should just stick to berating people who aren’t as good at the game as you are.
"The math" is just people who don't understand how odds work
So let’s say if you get just a bronze or two your pack will be worth somewhere between 100-500 stubs. For this experiment we will say this packs value at 250 stubs. If you pull a silver your pack value is somewhere between 400-800. We will call it 600 as an average for this. If you pull a gold the pack value is somewhere between 1200 and 3000. We will call it 1800 got this because it’s obviously weighted to the lower overalls.
Therefore by their own stated odds on packs if you were to pull 100 packs:
You can expect to pull roughly 55% of packs with only bronze. That equals 13,750.
You can expect to pull 33% of packs with a silver. That would equal 19,800.
You can expect to pull 10% of packs with a gold. That would equal 18,000.
Now going into diamonds you can see we are at 51,500 in stubs value from a 150k pack opening.
That means IF you happened to actually pull 2 diamonds, there is only a combo of 9 diamonds that would actually give you your stubs pack or make stubs.
That has absolutely nothing to do with whether the odds work out and shows mathematically the packs in this game are 100% a scam. Nice try though. And y’all common reply of 1 in 50 won’t produce 1 in 50 makes them even worse.
Packs were never meant to return on an investment, anyone who purchases them thinking so is the fool. That doesn't make it a scam.
SDS makes no promises you'll make your stubs back, you need to rework your definition of a scam
I actually prefer the word fraudulent but scam is used a lot when talking about odds. Fraudulent will probably be the word that is used in public when it all comes to a head.
But it’s all good. I just threw my 2 cents in with the math. Y’all can go back to berating people who pull packs.
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@eatyum you would think that returning players would understand the odds by now. If your a first year player yea you may be tempted and not understand the way odds work.
I can’t feel sorry for ya just like I can’t feel sorry for that old woman spending her savings away at the slot machines late in her life.
