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Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.
Joe carter only has 17.1
So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.
Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.
And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.
Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos LeeFor Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny FreyBelliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.
Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.
Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.
And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...
A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.
Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.
one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none
I completely agree.
57.3 fWAR is no easy task.
Go back to Carter's time and show me or tell me what teams used WAR. yep that is right they did not. Back then it was not about getting on base and taking pitches. Carter's job was to hit HR and get RBI's. His fielding suffer and his hitting suffer when he played CF field. Take all in for consideration. Carter consistently hit and was above avg with runners in scoring pos.
Carter’s best wRC+ was 125, and he only had 120 two other times.
His career wRC+ is 102.
Adam Dunn had 8 seasons with 125 or higher wRC+.
Matt Kemp has had 4 seasons that are higher than 125.
Even Joc Pederson has already had 3 seasons slightly higher than 125.
Carter was nothing special.
Now try using players that played in his time stop comparing him to today's players the game has change over time. Impossible to compare players from different times
See, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
wRC+ is based off league averages, meaning it can be used to compare players from different eras.
Wrong, different era looked at players differently and what the role of players were different. Try again buddy
Oh, not the brightest eh?
Since wRC+ is based off league averages, it allows us to compare a player like Carter in his time with a player like Dunn in his time.
So, with 100 wRC+ being league average, 125 wRC+ means that player was 25% better than the league average. Following so far? That means in Carter’s best year, he was 25% better than the league average at the time. It also means when Adam Dunn had a 142 wRC+ (twice) he was 42% better than the league average that year. That’s why it allows us to compare players from different eras.
That does not work, the two ERA's were different the players were different rules and stadiums were different the way the game was played was different. Try to understand how the league has changed over time. Only way to compare two players from different ERA's if they played in that Time that is it. That is my opinion. You can look at stats and percentages and formula's all day long. Does not prove Dunn was better than Carter, There is so much more points I can make but i do not think it will change the way you think.
Willfully ignorant I see.
If you want to value personal opinion over actual stats, so be it. You’re only hurting yourself and making yourself look worse.
I’m sure you won’t even bother reading the article, but you really should for you own sake.
Btw, wRC+ is park adjusted as well, so that argument doesn’t hold up either.
You are basing it off of a formula, I am not the one comparing to players to different era's. Saying a player is better than another player based off a formula does not prove anything. We can argue over stats all day long. Understanding that Dunn did not face the pitchers Carter did or vice versa does not play into any formula does it, that fact that dunn played with smaller stadiums or with the expansion teams that watered down pitching going to 5 man rotations vs 4 man rotations. Tell what would Dunn's stats be if he played when Carter played based on your formula. and what would Carters stats be if he played when dunn played then you can say who was better. But you can not do that can you. Even with stats it is still a personal choice of who is better.
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dont sleep on roberts ive been using him in my league and he rakes. His swing is very smooth
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So a mid inning reward is now a boss....how does that make any sense. Oh you ain't good enough to be a boss and a month later...bam...you be a boss. SDS logic at its finest
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Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.
Joe carter only has 17.1
So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.
Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.
And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.
Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos LeeFor Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny FreyBelliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.
Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.
Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.
And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...
A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.
Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.
one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none
I completely agree.
57.3 fWAR is no easy task.
Go back to Carter's time and show me or tell me what teams used WAR. yep that is right they did not. Back then it was not about getting on base and taking pitches. Carter's job was to hit HR and get RBI's. His fielding suffer and his hitting suffer when he played CF field. Take all in for consideration. Carter consistently hit and was above avg with runners in scoring pos.
Carter’s best wRC+ was 125, and he only had 120 two other times.
His career wRC+ is 102.
Adam Dunn had 8 seasons with 125 or higher wRC+.
Matt Kemp has had 4 seasons that are higher than 125.
Even Joc Pederson has already had 3 seasons slightly higher than 125.
Carter was nothing special.
Now try using players that played in his time stop comparing him to today's players the game has change over time. Impossible to compare players from different times
See, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
wRC+ is based off league averages, meaning it can be used to compare players from different eras.
Wrong, different era looked at players differently and what the role of players were different. Try again buddy
Oh, not the brightest eh?
Since wRC+ is based off league averages, it allows us to compare a player like Carter in his time with a player like Dunn in his time.
So, with 100 wRC+ being league average, 125 wRC+ means that player was 25% better than the league average. Following so far? That means in Carter’s best year, he was 25% better than the league average at the time. It also means when Adam Dunn had a 142 wRC+ (twice) he was 42% better than the league average that year. That’s why it allows us to compare players from different eras.
That does not work, the two ERA's were different the players were different rules and stadiums were different the way the game was played was different. Try to understand how the league has changed over time. Only way to compare two players from different ERA's if they played in that Time that is it. That is my opinion. You can look at stats and percentages and formula's all day long. Does not prove Dunn was better than Carter, There is so much more points I can make but i do not think it will change the way you think.
Willfully ignorant I see.
If you want to value personal opinion over actual stats, so be it. You’re only hurting yourself and making yourself look worse.
I’m sure you won’t even bother reading the article, but you really should for you own sake.
Btw, wRC+ is park adjusted as well, so that argument doesn’t hold up either.
And yes, stats and percentages 100% prove Adam Dunn was a better player than Joe Carter.
By the way, Joe Carter had a more successful career than Adam Dunn, Adam Dunn struck out or hit HR. He really was not that good yeah that is my opinion.
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Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.
Joe carter only has 17.1
So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.
Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.
And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.
Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos LeeFor Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny FreyBelliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.
Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.
Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.
And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...
A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.
Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.
one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none
I completely agree.
57.3 fWAR is no easy task.
Go back to Carter's time and show me or tell me what teams used WAR. yep that is right they did not. Back then it was not about getting on base and taking pitches. Carter's job was to hit HR and get RBI's. His fielding suffer and his hitting suffer when he played CF field. Take all in for consideration. Carter consistently hit and was above avg with runners in scoring pos.
Carter’s best wRC+ was 125, and he only had 120 two other times.
His career wRC+ is 102.
Adam Dunn had 8 seasons with 125 or higher wRC+.
Matt Kemp has had 4 seasons that are higher than 125.
Even Joc Pederson has already had 3 seasons slightly higher than 125.
Carter was nothing special.
Now try using players that played in his time stop comparing him to today's players the game has change over time. Impossible to compare players from different times
See, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
wRC+ is based off league averages, meaning it can be used to compare players from different eras.
Wrong, different era looked at players differently and what the role of players were different. Try again buddy
Oh, not the brightest eh?
Since wRC+ is based off league averages, it allows us to compare a player like Carter in his time with a player like Dunn in his time.
So, with 100 wRC+ being league average, 125 wRC+ means that player was 25% better than the league average. Following so far? That means in Carter’s best year, he was 25% better than the league average at the time. It also means when Adam Dunn had a 142 wRC+ (twice) he was 42% better than the league average that year. That’s why it allows us to compare players from different eras.
That does not work, the two ERA's were different the players were different rules and stadiums were different the way the game was played was different. Try to understand how the league has changed over time. Only way to compare two players from different ERA's if they played in that Time that is it. That is my opinion. You can look at stats and percentages and formula's all day long. Does not prove Dunn was better than Carter, There is so much more points I can make but i do not think it will change the way you think.
Willfully ignorant I see.
If you want to value personal opinion over actual stats, so be it. You’re only hurting yourself and making yourself look worse.
I’m sure you won’t even bother reading the article, but you really should for you own sake.
Btw, wRC+ is park adjusted as well, so that argument doesn’t hold up either.
And yes, stats and percentages 100% prove Adam Dunn was a better player than Joe Carter.
By the way, Joe Carter had a more successful career than Adam Dunn, Adam Dunn struck out or hit HR. He really was not that good yeah that is my opinion.
Adam Dunn had good power no patients, no speed poor defense. Yeah I would take Carter over DunnDunn has 25.6 career fWAR.
Carter has 17.1 career fWAR.Dunn has a 123 career wRC+
Carter has a 102 career wRC+Those two numbers encompass every aspect of a player, neatly packaged together. Dunn had the better career.
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Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.
Joe carter only has 17.1
So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.
Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.
And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.
Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos LeeFor Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny FreyBelliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.
Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.
Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.
And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...
A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.
Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.
one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none
I completely agree.
57.3 fWAR is no easy task.
Go back to Carter's time and show me or tell me what teams used WAR. yep that is right they did not. Back then it was not about getting on base and taking pitches. Carter's job was to hit HR and get RBI's. His fielding suffer and his hitting suffer when he played CF field. Take all in for consideration. Carter consistently hit and was above avg with runners in scoring pos.
Carter’s best wRC+ was 125, and he only had 120 two other times.
His career wRC+ is 102.
Adam Dunn had 8 seasons with 125 or higher wRC+.
Matt Kemp has had 4 seasons that are higher than 125.
Even Joc Pederson has already had 3 seasons slightly higher than 125.
Carter was nothing special.
Now try using players that played in his time stop comparing him to today's players the game has change over time. Impossible to compare players from different times
See, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
wRC+ is based off league averages, meaning it can be used to compare players from different eras.
Wrong, different era looked at players differently and what the role of players were different. Try again buddy
Oh, not the brightest eh?
Since wRC+ is based off league averages, it allows us to compare a player like Carter in his time with a player like Dunn in his time.
So, with 100 wRC+ being league average, 125 wRC+ means that player was 25% better than the league average. Following so far? That means in Carter’s best year, he was 25% better than the league average at the time. It also means when Adam Dunn had a 142 wRC+ (twice) he was 42% better than the league average that year. That’s why it allows us to compare players from different eras.
That does not work, the two ERA's were different the players were different rules and stadiums were different the way the game was played was different. Try to understand how the league has changed over time. Only way to compare two players from different ERA's if they played in that Time that is it. That is my opinion. You can look at stats and percentages and formula's all day long. Does not prove Dunn was better than Carter, There is so much more points I can make but i do not think it will change the way you think.
Willfully ignorant I see.
If you want to value personal opinion over actual stats, so be it. You’re only hurting yourself and making yourself look worse.
I’m sure you won’t even bother reading the article, but you really should for you own sake.
Btw, wRC+ is park adjusted as well, so that argument doesn’t hold up either.
You are basing it off of a formula, I am not the one comparing to players to different era's. Saying a player is better than another player based off a formula does not prove anything. We can argue over stats all day long. Understanding that Dunn did not face the pitchers Carter did or vice versa does not play into any formula does it, that fact that dunn played with smaller stadiums or with the expansion teams that watered down pitching going to 5 man rotations vs 4 man rotations. Tell what would Dunn's stats be if he played when Carter played based on your formula. and what would Carters stats be if he played when dunn played then you can say who was better. But you can not do that can you. Even with stats it is still a personal choice of who is better.
You absolute [censored] moron.
If you would take the time to just read, you would know that wRC+ is adjusted for park factors. Expansion does not have any real noticeable effects on stats.
Everything is explained in the article I linked, but I’m sure you’re to stubborn to read it.
Baseball will be so much better when you people are gone.
Wow resulting to name calling, expansion has plenty to do with it, Guys that would have never made the big leagues did, Again going back to formula you love those formula dont you and believe everything you read. i am still waiting to tell me what Carter and Dunn's stats would be if they switched Era's.
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Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.
Joe carter only has 17.1
So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.
Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.
And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.
Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos LeeFor Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny FreyBelliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.
Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.
Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.
And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...
A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.
Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.
one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none
I completely agree.
57.3 fWAR is no easy task.
Go back to Carter's time and show me or tell me what teams used WAR. yep that is right they did not. Back then it was not about getting on base and taking pitches. Carter's job was to hit HR and get RBI's. His fielding suffer and his hitting suffer when he played CF field. Take all in for consideration. Carter consistently hit and was above avg with runners in scoring pos.
Carter’s best wRC+ was 125, and he only had 120 two other times.
His career wRC+ is 102.
Adam Dunn had 8 seasons with 125 or higher wRC+.
Matt Kemp has had 4 seasons that are higher than 125.
Even Joc Pederson has already had 3 seasons slightly higher than 125.
Carter was nothing special.
Now try using players that played in his time stop comparing him to today's players the game has change over time. Impossible to compare players from different times
See, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
wRC+ is based off league averages, meaning it can be used to compare players from different eras.
Wrong, different era looked at players differently and what the role of players were different. Try again buddy
Oh, not the brightest eh?
Since wRC+ is based off league averages, it allows us to compare a player like Carter in his time with a player like Dunn in his time.
So, with 100 wRC+ being league average, 125 wRC+ means that player was 25% better than the league average. Following so far? That means in Carter’s best year, he was 25% better than the league average at the time. It also means when Adam Dunn had a 142 wRC+ (twice) he was 42% better than the league average that year. That’s why it allows us to compare players from different eras.
That does not work, the two ERA's were different the players were different rules and stadiums were different the way the game was played was different. Try to understand how the league has changed over time. Only way to compare two players from different ERA's if they played in that Time that is it. That is my opinion. You can look at stats and percentages and formula's all day long. Does not prove Dunn was better than Carter, There is so much more points I can make but i do not think it will change the way you think.
Willfully ignorant I see.
If you want to value personal opinion over actual stats, so be it. You’re only hurting yourself and making yourself look worse.
I’m sure you won’t even bother reading the article, but you really should for you own sake.
Btw, wRC+ is park adjusted as well, so that argument doesn’t hold up either.
And yes, stats and percentages 100% prove Adam Dunn was a better player than Joe Carter.
By the way, Joe Carter had a more successful career than Adam Dunn, Adam Dunn struck out or hit HR. He really was not that good yeah that is my opinion.
Adam Dunn had good power no patients, no speed poor defense. Yeah I would take Carter over DunnDunn has 25.6 career fWAR.
Carter has 17.1 career fWAR.Dunn has a 123 career wRC+
Carter has a 102 career wRC+Those two numbers encompass every aspect of a player, neatly packaged together. Dunn had the better career.
WAR the most overrated formula ever in baseball, and if that is the only thing you base it on you do not understand how baseball was before WAR. You have no clue
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Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.
Joe carter only has 17.1
So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.
Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.
And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.
Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos LeeFor Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny FreyBelliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.
Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.
Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.
And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...
A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.
Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.
one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none
I completely agree.
57.3 fWAR is no easy task.
Go back to Carter's time and show me or tell me what teams used WAR. yep that is right they did not. Back then it was not about getting on base and taking pitches. Carter's job was to hit HR and get RBI's. His fielding suffer and his hitting suffer when he played CF field. Take all in for consideration. Carter consistently hit and was above avg with runners in scoring pos.
Carter’s best wRC+ was 125, and he only had 120 two other times.
His career wRC+ is 102.
Adam Dunn had 8 seasons with 125 or higher wRC+.
Matt Kemp has had 4 seasons that are higher than 125.
Even Joc Pederson has already had 3 seasons slightly higher than 125.
Carter was nothing special.
Now try using players that played in his time stop comparing him to today's players the game has change over time. Impossible to compare players from different times
See, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
wRC+ is based off league averages, meaning it can be used to compare players from different eras.
Wrong, different era looked at players differently and what the role of players were different. Try again buddy
Oh, not the brightest eh?
Since wRC+ is based off league averages, it allows us to compare a player like Carter in his time with a player like Dunn in his time.
So, with 100 wRC+ being league average, 125 wRC+ means that player was 25% better than the league average. Following so far? That means in Carter’s best year, he was 25% better than the league average at the time. It also means when Adam Dunn had a 142 wRC+ (twice) he was 42% better than the league average that year. That’s why it allows us to compare players from different eras.
That does not work, the two ERA's were different the players were different rules and stadiums were different the way the game was played was different. Try to understand how the league has changed over time. Only way to compare two players from different ERA's if they played in that Time that is it. That is my opinion. You can look at stats and percentages and formula's all day long. Does not prove Dunn was better than Carter, There is so much more points I can make but i do not think it will change the way you think.
Willfully ignorant I see.
If you want to value personal opinion over actual stats, so be it. You’re only hurting yourself and making yourself look worse.
I’m sure you won’t even bother reading the article, but you really should for you own sake.
Btw, wRC+ is park adjusted as well, so that argument doesn’t hold up either.
And yes, stats and percentages 100% prove Adam Dunn was a better player than Joe Carter.
By the way, Joe Carter had a more successful career than Adam Dunn, Adam Dunn struck out or hit HR. He really was not that good yeah that is my opinion.
Adam Dunn had good power no patients, no speed poor defense. Yeah I would take Carter over DunnDunn has 25.6 career fWAR.
Carter has 17.1 career fWAR.Dunn has a 123 career wRC+
Carter has a 102 career wRC+Those two numbers encompass every aspect of a player, neatly packaged together. Dunn had the better career.
WAR the most overrated formula ever in baseball, and if that is the only thing you base it on you do not understand how baseball was before WAR. You have no clue
It is the best formula for evaluating a player’s value. Maybe learn something instead of being a stubborn old man? Times change, sorry you can’t keep up. Baseball will be better when your kind are dead and gone.
Sorry your favorite player Joe Carter actually sucked.
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Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.
Joe carter only has 17.1
So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.
Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.
And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.
Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos LeeFor Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny FreyBelliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.
Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.
Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.
And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...
A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.
Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.
one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none
I completely agree.
57.3 fWAR is no easy task.
Go back to Carter's time and show me or tell me what teams used WAR. yep that is right they did not. Back then it was not about getting on base and taking pitches. Carter's job was to hit HR and get RBI's. His fielding suffer and his hitting suffer when he played CF field. Take all in for consideration. Carter consistently hit and was above avg with runners in scoring pos.
Carter’s best wRC+ was 125, and he only had 120 two other times.
His career wRC+ is 102.
Adam Dunn had 8 seasons with 125 or higher wRC+.
Matt Kemp has had 4 seasons that are higher than 125.
Even Joc Pederson has already had 3 seasons slightly higher than 125.
Carter was nothing special.
Now try using players that played in his time stop comparing him to today's players the game has change over time. Impossible to compare players from different times
See, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
wRC+ is based off league averages, meaning it can be used to compare players from different eras.
Wrong, different era looked at players differently and what the role of players were different. Try again buddy
Oh, not the brightest eh?
Since wRC+ is based off league averages, it allows us to compare a player like Carter in his time with a player like Dunn in his time.
So, with 100 wRC+ being league average, 125 wRC+ means that player was 25% better than the league average. Following so far? That means in Carter’s best year, he was 25% better than the league average at the time. It also means when Adam Dunn had a 142 wRC+ (twice) he was 42% better than the league average that year. That’s why it allows us to compare players from different eras.
That does not work, the two ERA's were different the players were different rules and stadiums were different the way the game was played was different. Try to understand how the league has changed over time. Only way to compare two players from different ERA's if they played in that Time that is it. That is my opinion. You can look at stats and percentages and formula's all day long. Does not prove Dunn was better than Carter, There is so much more points I can make but i do not think it will change the way you think.
Willfully ignorant I see.
If you want to value personal opinion over actual stats, so be it. You’re only hurting yourself and making yourself look worse.
I’m sure you won’t even bother reading the article, but you really should for you own sake.
Btw, wRC+ is park adjusted as well, so that argument doesn’t hold up either.
And yes, stats and percentages 100% prove Adam Dunn was a better player than Joe Carter.
By the way, Joe Carter had a more successful career than Adam Dunn, Adam Dunn struck out or hit HR. He really was not that good yeah that is my opinion.
Adam Dunn had good power no patients, no speed poor defense. Yeah I would take Carter over DunnDunn has 25.6 career fWAR.
Carter has 17.1 career fWAR.Dunn has a 123 career wRC+
Carter has a 102 career wRC+Those two numbers encompass every aspect of a player, neatly packaged together. Dunn had the better career.
WAR the most overrated formula ever in baseball, and if that is the only thing you base it on you do not understand how baseball was before WAR. You have no clue
It is the best formula for evaluating a player’s value. Maybe learn something instead of being a stubborn old man? Times change, sorry you can’t keep up. Baseball will be better when your kind are dead and gone.
Time do change, Players before WAR were looked at differently, Scouts and upper Management were not Looking at players to just get on base and take tons of pitches and try to walk and so on a so forth again fielding is part of WAR. Carter numbers offensively and defensively were way down when he played CF. If Carter played in his primary POS which was RF his WAR would be much higher than Dunns. There is an article on Carter maybe you should go read it to understand. Not everything is about WAR when it comes to comparing players. RBI's in Carter's day meant something and in today's game they are not as an important stat when comparing players, either is SB. S
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Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.
Joe carter only has 17.1
So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.
Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.
And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.
Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos LeeFor Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny FreyBelliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.
Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.
Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.
And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...
A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.
Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.
one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none
I completely agree.
57.3 fWAR is no easy task.
Go back to Carter's time and show me or tell me what teams used WAR. yep that is right they did not. Back then it was not about getting on base and taking pitches. Carter's job was to hit HR and get RBI's. His fielding suffer and his hitting suffer when he played CF field. Take all in for consideration. Carter consistently hit and was above avg with runners in scoring pos.
Carter’s best wRC+ was 125, and he only had 120 two other times.
His career wRC+ is 102.
Adam Dunn had 8 seasons with 125 or higher wRC+.
Matt Kemp has had 4 seasons that are higher than 125.
Even Joc Pederson has already had 3 seasons slightly higher than 125.
Carter was nothing special.
Now try using players that played in his time stop comparing him to today's players the game has change over time. Impossible to compare players from different times
See, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
wRC+ is based off league averages, meaning it can be used to compare players from different eras.
Wrong, different era looked at players differently and what the role of players were different. Try again buddy
Oh, not the brightest eh?
Since wRC+ is based off league averages, it allows us to compare a player like Carter in his time with a player like Dunn in his time.
So, with 100 wRC+ being league average, 125 wRC+ means that player was 25% better than the league average. Following so far? That means in Carter’s best year, he was 25% better than the league average at the time. It also means when Adam Dunn had a 142 wRC+ (twice) he was 42% better than the league average that year. That’s why it allows us to compare players from different eras.
That does not work, the two ERA's were different the players were different rules and stadiums were different the way the game was played was different. Try to understand how the league has changed over time. Only way to compare two players from different ERA's if they played in that Time that is it. That is my opinion. You can look at stats and percentages and formula's all day long. Does not prove Dunn was better than Carter, There is so much more points I can make but i do not think it will change the way you think.
Willfully ignorant I see.
If you want to value personal opinion over actual stats, so be it. You’re only hurting yourself and making yourself look worse.
I’m sure you won’t even bother reading the article, but you really should for you own sake.
Btw, wRC+ is park adjusted as well, so that argument doesn’t hold up either.
And yes, stats and percentages 100% prove Adam Dunn was a better player than Joe Carter.
By the way, Joe Carter had a more successful career than Adam Dunn, Adam Dunn struck out or hit HR. He really was not that good yeah that is my opinion.
Adam Dunn had good power no patients, no speed poor defense. Yeah I would take Carter over DunnDunn has 25.6 career fWAR.
Carter has 17.1 career fWAR.Dunn has a 123 career wRC+
Carter has a 102 career wRC+Those two numbers encompass every aspect of a player, neatly packaged together. Dunn had the better career.
WAR the most overrated formula ever in baseball, and if that is the only thing you base it on you do not understand how baseball was before WAR. You have no clue
It is the best formula for evaluating a player’s value. Maybe learn something instead of being a stubborn old man? Times change, sorry you can’t keep up. Baseball will be better when your kind are dead and gone.
Sorry your favorite player Joe Carter actually sucked.
Never said he was my favorite player buddy i am sorry your favorite player Dunn is only better haha using a formula
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Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.
Joe carter only has 17.1
So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.
Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.
And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.
Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos LeeFor Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny FreyBelliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.
Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.
Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.
And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...
A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.
Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.
one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none
I completely agree.
57.3 fWAR is no easy task.
Go back to Carter's time and show me or tell me what teams used WAR. yep that is right they did not. Back then it was not about getting on base and taking pitches. Carter's job was to hit HR and get RBI's. His fielding suffer and his hitting suffer when he played CF field. Take all in for consideration. Carter consistently hit and was above avg with runners in scoring pos.
Carter’s best wRC+ was 125, and he only had 120 two other times.
His career wRC+ is 102.
Adam Dunn had 8 seasons with 125 or higher wRC+.
Matt Kemp has had 4 seasons that are higher than 125.
Even Joc Pederson has already had 3 seasons slightly higher than 125.
Carter was nothing special.
Now try using players that played in his time stop comparing him to today's players the game has change over time. Impossible to compare players from different times
See, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
wRC+ is based off league averages, meaning it can be used to compare players from different eras.
Wrong, different era looked at players differently and what the role of players were different. Try again buddy
Oh, not the brightest eh?
Since wRC+ is based off league averages, it allows us to compare a player like Carter in his time with a player like Dunn in his time.
So, with 100 wRC+ being league average, 125 wRC+ means that player was 25% better than the league average. Following so far? That means in Carter’s best year, he was 25% better than the league average at the time. It also means when Adam Dunn had a 142 wRC+ (twice) he was 42% better than the league average that year. That’s why it allows us to compare players from different eras.
That does not work, the two ERA's were different the players were different rules and stadiums were different the way the game was played was different. Try to understand how the league has changed over time. Only way to compare two players from different ERA's if they played in that Time that is it. That is my opinion. You can look at stats and percentages and formula's all day long. Does not prove Dunn was better than Carter, There is so much more points I can make but i do not think it will change the way you think.
Willfully ignorant I see.
If you want to value personal opinion over actual stats, so be it. You’re only hurting yourself and making yourself look worse.
I’m sure you won’t even bother reading the article, but you really should for you own sake.
Btw, wRC+ is park adjusted as well, so that argument doesn’t hold up either.
And yes, stats and percentages 100% prove Adam Dunn was a better player than Joe Carter.
By the way, Joe Carter had a more successful career than Adam Dunn, Adam Dunn struck out or hit HR. He really was not that good yeah that is my opinion.
Adam Dunn had good power no patients, no speed poor defense. Yeah I would take Carter over DunnDunn has 25.6 career fWAR.
Carter has 17.1 career fWAR.Dunn has a 123 career wRC+
Carter has a 102 career wRC+Those two numbers encompass every aspect of a player, neatly packaged together. Dunn had the better career.
WAR the most overrated formula ever in baseball, and if that is the only thing you base it on you do not understand how baseball was before WAR. You have no clue
It is the best formula for evaluating a player’s value. Maybe learn something instead of being a stubborn old man? Times change, sorry you can’t keep up. Baseball will be better when your kind are dead and gone.
Sorry your favorite player Joe Carter actually sucked.
Never said he was my favorite player buddy i am sorry your favorite player Dunn is only better haha using a formula
That formula is flawed does leaving out many many stats, that would benefit a player like Dunn over Carter's, when you look at all the stats between the two players Carter is better IMO, i do not think Carter is a HOF player but I do think he better than Dunn to bad they did not play at the same time.
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The main reason looking at all the stats of Dunn and Carter is why Dunn WAR is higher is the walks Carter walk 527 times in 16 years, Dunn walked 1,317 Times in 14 years. This is why the ERA matters in which they play. Carter was not getting paid to walk. War does not include K's Dunn struck out 2,379 times, Carter 1,327 times. SB Carter 231 which mattered in Carter's time to Dunn's 63. Career AVG which WAR can careless about Dunn .237 and Carter .259. Dunn only hit .260 or high 4 times never hit over .266. Carter hit over .260 10 times and hit over .270 6 times and his best year for AVG was .301. But those stat do not matter to you.
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Didn’t we get 99 Alomar, Henderson and Verlander in this program last year?
Not hating on Roberts, but not much better than Program 2. Time to start ramping things up, no?
They released too high of rated cards early last year ruining spacing of content and these cards can be prestiged. I think the overalls are perfect just not a fan of who they’ve chosen. Sure would be nice to get a usable Griffey by now
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Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.
Joe carter only has 17.1
So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.
Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.
And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.
Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos LeeFor Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny FreyBelliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.
Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.
Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.
This Brain Roberts card is only enticing for Orioles fans and Orioles fans only. Brian Roberts is not only going to be the worst card available in the game but also the worst career. To be honest without his 83 card I would have forgotten he existed
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Both Dale Murphy and Joe Carter we’re very good very consistent players each for about a 10 year stretch. Dale starting in 1980 and Joe around 1986. Dale’s peak years were better than Joe’s peak years. Dale hit for a higher average and both were very durable!
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