How is the Community Market feeling?
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I keep getting request verification failed error now
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@nhacia88_MLBTS Me too. Small sacrifice if it stops bots.
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@Manu__SDS_MLBTS said in How is the Community Market feeling?:
Howdy,
I want to thank everyone who is participating constructively in this discussion!
We will continue to analyze incoming traffic and refine the strategies that block unwanted requests: all your suggestions are appreciated and taken into consideration.
Hi @manu__sds_mlbts - market has been working super well, but now I'm just getting a "Request Verification Failed" whenever I click on a card.
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@Bridge-Piece_XBL thought it was just me as im still restricted
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@VOReason1976_XBL if we are getting that notification does it mean you’re restricted? I am getting it as well
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I'm getting that request verification failed. I mean how much louder can you all at SDS say we don't want you guys flipping for stubs, we want you guys to pay real world money for stubs
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@General_Heaux_PSN no I think im getting it as its just broke, mine will go back to account restricted when everyone else can get in i presume
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I'm getting that request verification failed. I mean how much louder can you all at SDS say we don't want you guys flipping for stubs, we want you guys to pay real world money for stubs
I think it's a glitch for everyone.
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Excellent for two days but today experienced the immediate one up or two up on buy price. Also, for everyone, the request verification error was addressed in the Companion App Forum section. The team is working on it per SDS.
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@Manu__SDS_MLBTS my account was restricted for no reason.
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@manu__sds_mlbts
You would think that SDS would be able to see very easily which accounts are bots due to the immediate undercutting of transactions. I’d be stunned if they weren’t able to flag transactions or accounts that spend an inordinate amount of time “in the lead” on certain cards, especially after losing the lead for less than a second just to regain it again.I understand the calls to remove the marketplace from the app, but I think that would greatly worsen the experience for users as well. Sure it would cut down on the bots, but for me and I would assume many others, using the app to sell duplicate cards, watch the market, or flip cards is a huge part of the fun. If they implemented a change getting rid of the marketplace in the app, that would be it for me because putting orders in on console is miserable, time consuming, and inefficient. Selling duplicates and flipping cards has been the only way I’ve been able to play for years because of how insanely expensive these cards are. If they get rid of the marketplace, safe to say I’m done for good.
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@RSALERMO_XBL -- submit a ticket to Support, and they can look into it for you.
Please be aware that they're working through a backlog of tickets, so it could take some time, but they will get back to you.
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I would be ok if they got rid of the app. if they would make the console market more usable.
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@Manu__SDS_MLBTS thanks for checking in. Couple of thoughts… don’t mean to sound like I’m telling you guys what to do, I’m just thinking out loud about what I’d maybe try to do… identify some accounts using bots, from incoming traffic data, find similarities and trends. Is that account focused on 1 item or is it spread across a few? Are they all or mostly using emulator software? Block access from emulators. Are they using vpn? Block vpns. Maybe you serve a captcha after every 10 bids or deleting bids. I know there’s times I can be using the market on the app for 30 min or maybe more, but maybe if an account is making however many transactions in an hour, the account gets restricted/time out for an hour.
Anyways, just typed out and posting while I had a minute.
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Regarding the original question, it's improved somewhat- but could do a lot better at avoiding false positives.
Bot undercutting on tracked cards is still landing in under 5 seconds of a new listing, but I (and plenty others) got flagged and restricted for manual batch flipping. Just placing 15-30 orders then walking away.
That's the core problem with the current filter, it looks like it's keying on raw order velocity/volume, which catches dedicated human flippers just as easily as bots, while the bots' actual signature (instant, repeated, exact one-stub undercuts reactive to one specific listing) goes basically untouched.
A concrete ask: don't flag on the first fast undercut. Wait for 3-5 repeated undercuts on the same listing within a tight window. That's a pattern only automation produces, so it should cut false positives on legit flippers while still catching the real bots. You've got order-book timestamps down to the millisecond, that data should support pattern detection, not just speed thresholds.
And honestly, some communication would go a long way. Nobody needs the exact parameters (that just tells bot devs how to dodge them), but even a general "here's the category of behavior we're targeting" would save a ton of ticket backlog and forum panic from players who did nothing wrong.
Thanks plenty, hope it gets easier.
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Humans try to undercut bots all the time. They'd get flagged that way also.
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Howdy,
thank you for the valuable feedback and the continued support!
I believe (actually, I can see the numbers...) the current API filters are doing an excellent job at reducing bad traffic, entire categories of bad actors have been progressively cut out. I also acknowledge the difficulty is increasing and we will continue to refine and harden the filters: we are on a bumpy but successful path...
API Rate limiting is a very good bet! The algorithm is often giving out "cooldown" responses to legitimate (heavy) users, we will refine the logic to make it smarter as @eshum_mlbts and others have suggested. "Cooldowns" for legit users are very short and now show a clear message on the app for clarity.
This is a "one VS one million" battle, thank you for being on the good side!
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Bots are out in full force. Had several bids bumped by 1 almost before I could hit the button
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Yep, bots were held back for a little bit. But they are very much back
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@Manu__SDS_MLBTS incredible work!
The bots are not back like people are saying above. Humans can 1 up also lol. Bots have a different, obvious behavior.App is incredible right now. Seriously, thank you!
