Market Bots
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@manu__sds_mlbts @sds_joek_psn bots are back on the market.
Yesterday there were zero instances of bots manipulating the market with the app being down for most users. Now its back up and the bot activity is back. Coincidence?
Should be an easy signal as to what the problem is and how they are able to operate. Might be time to take the app offline until you can implement better controls to prevent abusive behavior. They are clearly smarter than the SDS devs, assuming SDS actually cares about a healthy free flowing market like has been claimed.
Only reason it coincides with the app being down is because the people who create them use emulators, - I’d assume more android - that access the app.
Yes. I'm aware.
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Just restrict market access on the companion app until you can get a proper control. At the end of the day, SDS is losing stub sales to third party markets as these bots accumulate millions of stubs every day. There are a variety of reasons they should be very incentivized to stop the bots...
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@SiberiaTigerCub_PSN I think they could easily review the accounts that are making a disproportionate amount of stubs and examining their transactions. If something seems afoot instant permanent ban from game with no appeal process should fix the the issue pretty quick.
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@SiberiaTigerCub_PSN I think they could easily review the accounts that are making a disproportionate amount of stubs and examining their transactions. If something seems afoot instant permanent ban from game with no appeal process should fix the the issue pretty quick.
Nah im fine with the appeals process. Someone who is legit and not breaking TOS will have no issues demonstrating compliance. People running bots? It will be crickets.
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@aaronjw76_PSN Agreed here. I do wonder how, if true, people were given time outs for suspicious activity if they weren't actually using a bot. There have to be some cases of bots making 10-15 bids a second across dozens of cards...and then there are humans doing an order maybe every 5-10 seconds at best if they are really really fast. Bot activity is unmistakeable.
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I was flipping about an hour and a half ago. I got restricted. There is no way I could be mistaken for a bot. I flip a lot when I am at work. I usually buy in the morning and sell in the afternoon. I have about 150,000 tied up right now and I am watching my margins disapear and there is nothing I can do about it. Hopefully I can sell on the console when I get home later. I play sometimes at lunch. But most of the time I play in the evenings after I get home. I am not very fast at flipping. Yet I am restricted. I turned in a ticket.
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@theBlindRhino_PSN I don't agree with instant permabans. Too many tech companies do that with no appeal process, and what happens is you end up catching innocent people in the net. That's exactly what has happened to me. I'm banned, and all I've done is flipping a few hundred silver cards for 30 stubs profit a pop. I have a 41K stub balance for pete's sake, and got banned?
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@aaronjw76_PSN Bingo, you nailed it. The bot accounts are just going to go radio silent. Whereas I have a whooping 41K stubs, but got detected as being a bot account, because I've flipped a a fair number of silver cards? Not to mention I have account history going back over a decade. They shouldn't cast a net that catches innocent people.
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@Wolfski0412_PSN I have 2 cell phones. One I use to refresh the market price on a card, and the second phone I have waiting on the buy the card screen, and can put in a buy order a second after a price changes. I'm not using bots and doing that manually, but I guess they detected that as bot like.
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@revjlt1_XBL Best of luck to you. I submitted a ticket and they told me they couldn't tell me a reason for the ban, but that it would stick and there was no option to appeal. I hate tech companies that have ZERO transparency or margin for a human to review.
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@Wolfski0412_PSN I have 2 cell phones. One I use to refresh the market price on a card, and the second phone I have waiting on the buy the card screen, and can put in a buy order a second after a price changes. I'm not using bots and doing that manually, but I guess they detected that as bot like.
This is likely what got you. I remember people
Who used multiple browsers also got banned in the past. Did SDS tell you that you’re banned? -
Sorry to hear their response to you. I was flipping bronzes and commons for around 30-50 stubb profit. I still haven't heard anything.
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@theBlindRhino_PSN The response I got from my ticket was they couldn't go into details about it, but the restriction would remain with no appeal allowed. I didn't think using multiple screens, all under manual (non-bot) control was anything wrong. Yes, I was trying to get an advantage on how quickly the market prices change, but as I said, I was doing so with complete manual control of it.
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@revjlt1_XBL Yeah, you would think the amount of profit being made would be a giveaway for a non-bot too. I have made about 21k in profit, since I got 20k stubs at purchase of the game. Like, they really think a bot would be that low. I just want a handful more stubs daily to eventually get a decent card.
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I'm frustrated as someone who flips legitimately mostly common cards at quicksell value ... Purchasing cards between 5 and 9 stubs and selling them for over 25.... I do this process every night for about 5,000 stubbs of investment... It was easily netting me 30 to 70K stubs a day... Well I got put on a restricted list and now I can't flip any cards... All because I do this before I go to bed every night... Ridiculous. I think I'm finally done with this franchise. It doesn't even look good, and there's errors all over the place... It looks like they heavily relied on AI to make this game, that or they have a bare bones staff that has no chance of keeping up.... The product is truly getting worse every year and less consumer friendly every year... I'm sorry I'm not putting $1,000 in this game just so I complete collections before the All-Star break... And now they don't even allow you to flip cards... Thankfully I've already gotten Ohtsni, judge and JRAM... But this makes me not even want to play.. I literally sell every card that I get... Because I'm trying to purchase the cards that are continuing to increase in value.... I guess they didn't like that..
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@SiberiaTigerCub_PSN it's whopping not whooping .. you're driving me nuts lol
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@SDS_JoeK_PSN How about the people being restricted on the app who haven’t broke anything in the TOS? Can anyone respond and give an explanation?
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@Stinkysman77_MLBTS I'm Russian, and English isn't my first language. Sorry to offend.
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@SiberiaTigerCub_PSN didn't offend at all...that's why I put the "lol"
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Btw. Whatever they are doing is helping. Was able to get some good margins today for the first time in a year without being outbid every 4 seconds. Still some, but not nearly as many as there was on launch. Keep it going guys. DONT STOP (pause)
