Neon Position Players Ranked - Let's debate
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@Dolenz_PSN I did steal bases with him (2) and others with higher speed attributes. There is PXP awarded for steals (10 for offline Rookie) and it also helped in getting into scoring position and with some additional runs scored (PXP awarded for runs as well) and stay out of DPs. I don't remember the times for those particular SBs to see if created a run that wouldn't have been scored without stealing those bases.
Definitely can't get PXP for defense, so that is something to consider. Also, people will probably hit differently with some players than I do as well.
Back to defense, I average probably around 25 Ks per 9 IPs offline, so I guess I don't necessarily need to worry about defensive attributes when I play offline modes! And most runs I give up are solo shots. "Three True Outcomes" is in effect when I pitch!
There are some surprises as to where some of the people fell on my list. I would have thought Bryan Reynolds would have been higher, but for the most part, my list is pretty much how I felt they had performed in gameplay (offensively).
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I took both my PXP/PA scores and Dolenz's Meta scores, normalized them (scale from 0 to 1), then averaged the two scores. I think this produced a better list...
AVGscore Player///DAPscore///DOLENZscore
- 0.952 Lou Gehrig///0.983///0.921
- 0.865 Bryan Reynolds///0.729///1.000
- 0.729 Willie Mays///0.607///0.851
- 0.726 Bobby Abreu///0.619///0.833
- 0.704 JJ Wetherholt///0.786///0.623
- 0.625 Konnor Griffin///0.610///0.640
- 0.622 Shawn Green///0.894///0.351
- 0.612 Kevin McGonigle///1.000///0.224
- 0.610 Rafael Palmeiro///0.768///0.452
- 0.599 Travis Bazzana///0.574///0.623
- 0.583 Derek Jeter///0.376///0.789
- 0.553 Jackson Merrill///0.645///0.461
- 0.497 Walker Jenkins///0.481///0.513
- 0.462 Chandler Simpson///0.516///0.408
- 0.435 Jesus Made///0.287///0.583
- 0.424 Colt Emerson///0.449///0.399
- 0.410 Geraldo Perdomo///0.412///0.408
- 0.403 Marcelo Mayer///0.478///0.329
- 0.382 Charlie Condon///0.545///0.219
- 0.379 Logan O'Hoppe///0.478///0.281
- 0.362 Ozzie Albies///0.298///0.425
- 0.350 Adrian Beltre///0.139///0.561
- 0.327 Tyler Soderstrom///0.510///0.145
- 0.314 Kyle Teel///0.364///0.263
- 0.294 Lance Berkman///0.000///0.588
- 0.291 Anthony Rizzo///0.446///0.136
- 0.255 Curtis Granderson///0.137///0.373
- 0.203 Adley Rutschman///0.161///0.246
- 0.143 Jac Caglianone///0.285///0.000
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@dap1234567890_PSN I'm all for any list that puts Gehrig above Reynolds.
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As a Pirates fan, the only thing I have to hold on to is Bryan being the best card. And he is according to your math. No additional analysis needed...
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@Dolenz_PSN Yeah, I think my second list is much better. McGonigle is nice, but is not the best card. Gehrig is the best and Bryan Reynolds is higher than what I had him at. My stats came from a small sample size, but I am not good with Berkman's swing so that dropped him all the way to the bottom of my list, but his card isn't the worst. So, I do think this second list does a better job in representing where the cards lie in my opinion.
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Probably because he’s not a switch hitter, and it seems like more than ever everything is switch meta. I miss the days when there were like 5 switch hitters and the slider glitch didn’t exist
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Right now I have nothing to grind for but I guess next inning i'll start using the Neon players.
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@dap1234567890_PSN said in Neon Position Players Ranked - Let's debate:
@Dolenz_PSN Yeah, I think my second list is much better. McGonigle is nice, but is not the best card. Gehrig is the best and Bryan Reynolds is higher than what I had him at. My stats came from a small sample size, but I am not good with Berkman's swing so that dropped him all the way to the bottom of my list, but his card isn't the worst. So, I do think this second list does a better job in representing where the cards lie in my opinion.
I'm all for everyone coming up with their own lists. Mine strictly uses attribute ratings because let's face it, I have almost none of them.
But we all know that different players have different preferences and have different results. Some people like Judge, some can't hit with him. Some people love Mays, others hates his stance. That is all subjective
I have come up with a Offense Players formula. In that list the Neon players are
#5 Gehrig
#9 Palmeiro
#13 Berkman
#23 Reynolds
#37 Mays
#39 Charlie Condon
#43 Marcelo Mayer
#47 Bobby AbreuSo it is Obvious that the 20% weighting of Fielding, Speed and Reaction make a big difference in the overall Meta Score as opposed to just offense.
I am not sure but in the overall Meta Formula I am thinking about taking Reaction down to 5% and the Bumping Vision to 10%. I am unsure though since Contact, Power and Clutch already contribute to 55% of the score and 65% of the overall score is based on offensive attributes.
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@Dolenz_PSN I enjoy crunching numbers which is why my masters degree is a Masters of Science in Business Analytics. I don't think we can come up with a perfect formula since cards play different and hard to assign numbers for stance, swing, and pitch delivery. Definitely would just have to play around with the formula until you are happy with it and fits your style the best. I find this interesting and how other people like to come up with formulas. I just happened to have each of those with nearly the same amount of PAs and thought that would be another interesting way to compare them. To get a truly good feel for them, I would need a bigger sample size. Like I said, I think this was fun to compare.
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Yeah, there is no perfect formula that works for everyone which is why I am sticking to strictly using the attributes as the basis for my rankings. The weighting of the different attributes is the only subjective part of the formula and even on those I let the AI come up with the formulas and the weightings to keep my bias and opinions out of the picture as much as possible.
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I'm a believer that swings can trump attributes
With that being said albies has a high leg kick and is almost the easiest card in the game IMO to time up pitches...especially off speed stuff. I think he may be my end game 2nd baseman bc of the swing.
I've struggled with Reynolds the past few years but didn't give him alot of run.
The old timers I tend to hit 280-320 with like gehrig/williams/Ruth.. So they're fine but not my favorites
