All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards
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@dap1234567890_PSN said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
@MrNintendo_MLBTS The keyword "Fantasy" makes it a definite no-go in discussing actual ASG selections.
Fantasy baseball is based on real life stats so it has more of a chance to be accurate than fan votes
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Fantasy relies heavily on counting statistics like R and RBI, which may not be appropriate. Further, and more importantly, it doesnt consider defense.
And in defense of the fans here, only Edman and Teoscar are unworthy, and Edman isnt going to win his vote
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@Teak2112_MLBTS said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
Fantasy relies heavily on counting statistics like R and RBI, which may not be appropriate. Further, and more importantly, it doesnt consider defense.
And in defense of the fans here, only Edman and Teoscar are unworthy, and Edman isnt going to win his vote
So are you trying to tell me that Muncy is more worthy than Eugenio Suarez?
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@Dolenz_PSN said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
Fantasy relies heavily on counting statistics like R and RBI, which may not be appropriate. Further, and more importantly, it doesnt consider defense.
And in defense of the fans here, only Edman and Teoscar are unworthy, and Edman isnt going to win his vote
So are you trying to tell me that Muncy is more worthy than Eugenio Suarez?
Hes on par with Manny anyway.
And people give the fans [censored] (deservedly), but the players can be just as bad with their voting
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@Teak2112_MLBTS said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
@Dolenz_PSN said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
Fantasy relies heavily on counting statistics like R and RBI, which may not be appropriate. Further, and more importantly, it doesnt consider defense.
And in defense of the fans here, only Edman and Teoscar are unworthy, and Edman isnt going to win his vote
So are you trying to tell me that Muncy is more worthy than Eugenio Suarez?
Hes on par with Manny anyway.
And people give the fans [censored] (deservedly), but the players can be just as bad with their voting
First of all I didn't say Manny did I. Although, at least to Manny's credit he leads National League 3B in WAR and Batting Average. Suarez has 25 HRs to Muncy's 13. 67 RBIs to Muncy's 53. Suarez even has the higher batting average.
But now you got me curious
Among NL Shortstops Betts is 7th in War. Behind Masyn Winn. But I am not arguing that Winn is a worthy candidate because the obvious votes are Turner, Lindor and De La Cruz
And there are several NL OF's more worthy than Pages and Teoscar. Corbin Carroll, James Wood, Tatis Jr.
So, you say fantasy league stuff and the stats they use is not a good indicator then please let us know what stats you are using and which you are dismissing to say that Muncy, Betts, Hernandez or Pages belongs?
But, I agree that any voting by any group is going to be biased.
The reason MLB does fan vote is simple. If they let the players with the most votes and popularity start then it is more likely those voters will tune in to the game. And after all that is their main concern Getting people in the stadium and watching on TV.
In the end it does not matter since the game does not determine home field advantage in the WS anymore. It's nothing more than a spectacle.
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@Dolenz_PSN said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
@Dolenz_PSN said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
Fantasy relies heavily on counting statistics like R and RBI, which may not be appropriate. Further, and more importantly, it doesnt consider defense.
And in defense of the fans here, only Edman and Teoscar are unworthy, and Edman isnt going to win his vote
So are you trying to tell me that Muncy is more worthy than Eugenio Suarez?
Hes on par with Manny anyway.
And people give the fans [censored] (deservedly), but the players can be just as bad with their voting
First of all I didn't say Manny did I. Although, at least to Manny's credit he leads National League 3B in WAR and Batting Average. Suarez has 25 HRs to Muncy's 13. 67 RBIs to Muncy's 53. Suarez even has the higher batting average.
But now you got me curious
Among NL Shortstops Betts is 7th in War. Behind Masyn Winn. But I am not arguing that Winn is a worthy candidate because the obvious votes are Turner, Lindor and De La Cruz
And there are several NL OF's more worthy than Pages and Teoscar. Corbin Carroll, James Wood, Tatis Jr.
So, you say fantasy league stuff and the stats they use is not a good indicator then please let us know what stats you are using and which you are dismissing to say that Muncy, Betts, Hernandez or Pages belongs?
But, I agree that any voting by any group is going to be biased.
The reason MLB does fan vote is simple. If they let the players with the most votes and popularity start then it is more likely those voters will tune in to the game. And after all that is their main concern Getting people in the stadium and watching on TV.
In the end it does not matter since the game does not determine home field advantage in the WS anymore. It's nothing more than a spectacle.
I take back Betts, his year isnt that great. Great defense, but not the hitter he used to be.
Manny and Muncy are very similar in both WAR and OPS. Manny gets more hits (which also gives him a higher slugging) but Muncy has a higher obp. Of course, people dont watch the all star game to see walks, Manny is going to win that vote and Saurez gets in as a backup
Tatis shows how WAR can be misleading: his defense is really bringing it up for a non premium defensive position. Really his year and Pages are similar in the same way Manny and Muncy are, but they play different positions realistically. tatis walks more, Pages has better avg/slg. Difference is Pages has the better ops too. Hes the better hitter at this stage in the season.
At the end of the day though, Betts, Edman, Teoscar, and Muncy arent going to make it unless they win the vote. Pages will get in because hes the second best CF in the NL this year (someone who can play good CF defense will make it as a backup) and Smith and Freeman will win their votes. Freeman doesnt deserve it over Alonso, but lots of people dislike Pete (for good reason honestly)
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@Teak2112_MLBTS said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
@Dolenz_PSN said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
@Dolenz_PSN said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
Fantasy relies heavily on counting statistics like R and RBI, which may not be appropriate. Further, and more importantly, it doesnt consider defense.
And in defense of the fans here, only Edman and Teoscar are unworthy, and Edman isnt going to win his vote
So are you trying to tell me that Muncy is more worthy than Eugenio Suarez?
Hes on par with Manny anyway.
And people give the fans [censored] (deservedly), but the players can be just as bad with their voting
First of all I didn't say Manny did I. Although, at least to Manny's credit he leads National League 3B in WAR and Batting Average. Suarez has 25 HRs to Muncy's 13. 67 RBIs to Muncy's 53. Suarez even has the higher batting average.
But now you got me curious
Among NL Shortstops Betts is 7th in War. Behind Masyn Winn. But I am not arguing that Winn is a worthy candidate because the obvious votes are Turner, Lindor and De La Cruz
And there are several NL OF's more worthy than Pages and Teoscar. Corbin Carroll, James Wood, Tatis Jr.
So, you say fantasy league stuff and the stats they use is not a good indicator then please let us know what stats you are using and which you are dismissing to say that Muncy, Betts, Hernandez or Pages belongs?
But, I agree that any voting by any group is going to be biased.
The reason MLB does fan vote is simple. If they let the players with the most votes and popularity start then it is more likely those voters will tune in to the game. And after all that is their main concern Getting people in the stadium and watching on TV.
In the end it does not matter since the game does not determine home field advantage in the WS anymore. It's nothing more than a spectacle.
I take back Betts, his year isnt that great. Great defense, but not the hitter he used to be.
Manny and Muncy are very similar in both WAR and OPS. Manny gets more hits (which also gives him a higher slugging) but Muncy has a higher obp. Of course, people dont watch the all star game to see walks, Manny is going to win that vote and Saurez gets in as a backup
Tatis shows how WAR can be misleading: his defense is really bringing it up for a non premium defensive position. Really his year and Pages are similar in the same way Manny and Muncy are, but they play different positions realistically. tatis walks more, Pages has better avg/slg. Difference is Pages has the better ops too. Hes the better hitter at this stage in the season.
At the end of the day though, Betts, Edman, Teoscar, and Muncy arent going to make it unless they win the vote. Pages will get in because hes the second best CF in the NL this year (someone who can play good CF defense will make it as a backup) and Smith and Freeman will win their votes. Freeman doesnt deserve it over Alonso, but lots of people dislike Pete (for good reason honestly)
What is the good reason to dislike Pete?
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@nymets1987_PSN said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
What is the good reason to dislike Pete?
The whole all star thing last year for one. That was beyond gross, he had no business being on the all star team. The Elder taunting is another one people dislike him for.
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@MrNintendo_MLBTS fantasy baseball isn’t real baseball, hope this helps.
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This is why he won’t win the fan vote, and honestly, I agree with you and the fans. He 100% screwed over his teammate last year and robbed the MVP runner up just so he could continue his horrible quest at the HRD.
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The Cardinals and cardinal fans don't like Pete because he threw the ball from Masyn Winn's first career MLB hit up into the stands.
I am sure he was just clueless but should he have been clueless about that?
But yeah, he even upset fans of his own team last year by insisting that he be put on the all star team if they wanted him to compete in the HRD. Since no Met had been voted in he essentially screwed over Lindor who was kind of the obvious choice to be the representative from the team. Good enough player but he just seems a little too self-absorbed.
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I don't condone what he did,I think it despicable.
But if you think about it logically, he had leverage and used that for his personal gain, incredibly selfish,but is that any different from anything else that happens in this world?
I mean,that's the message of the last 30 years or so
" Get yours,to hell with anybody else"
It won't change until people decide to change it.
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@jisaksen2422_PSN it actually is though, may not take defense stats into account but pretty accurate. I used it to invest in players as well and make a lot of stubs. Can look at past 14 days and past 30 days rankings not just season.
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Cal Raleigh being ranked 3rd overall at Catcher is incredible! He might go to a 91 or 92!
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@SavageSteve_MLBTS said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
This is why he won’t win the fan vote, and honestly, I agree with you and the fans. He 100% screwed over his teammate last year and robbed the MVP runner up just so he could continue his horrible quest at the HRD.
I mean, he is having a better season than Freeman and deserves it this year, so I would vote for him.
But I do understand the people that will vote for the unquestionably lesser season.
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@MrNintendo_MLBTS He has the most HR by a catcher before the AS break ever. He deserves to be a 90+ live series.
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@Dolenz_PSN said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
Fantasy baseball is based on real life stats so it has more of a chance to be accurate than fan votes
This video game is based off a lot of those stats too, but I wouldn't use this video game to determine who should play in the actual ASG game! I think fan voting is horrible as well since it gives advantages to the players on the big market teams.
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@dbub_PSN said in All Star Finalists - Potential All Star Cards:
I love people who play MLB the Show, but then denigrate fantasy baseball.
I've played both at different times of my life and both are fun (usually) but clearly not a strict simulation of baseball.
I don't think anyone has actually denigrated fantasy baseball
