SDS just gave us all the middle finger!
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OK, Joe, SDS just gave us all the middle finger and you have nowhere left to go except confess that SDS does not care one iota about giving us Stadium Creator customers what we desire.
In fact, you will spend valuable coding time and money to prevent us doing things we learned how to do, which is vastly more money than would be spent to just give us the version of Stadium Creator that the SDS team uses to create your official stadiums. After all, right now there is a total prohibition on using custom stadiums in online games due to an unfixed bug discovered during head-to-head play.
For those who don't yet know, this little tidbit is part of tonight's Update #15:
"Stadium Creator:
Fixed a bug where users could break the foul line territory restraints."So, SDS has proven beyond all measurable doubt that they want us paying customers to have a deliberately degraded version of Stadium Creator -- not due to any legitimate desire to prevent it being used to facilitate online game cheating, but simply because this is the second class way that SDS desires to treat its paying customers.
Larger companies than SDS have bankrupted themselves and put all their employees on the unemployment line for doing less malice to their customers than this!
Shame on all of you, and yes, Joe, that includes you!
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@SDS_JoeK_PSN you guys need to walk this one back ASAP…this was a GIFTWRAPPED GOLDEN opportunity to make a massive much needed much sought after improvement to the creator. We presented this to you BEGGING you NOT to drop the ball. Not only do you fumble it, you spit in our face, shoot us the bird, and p1ss on us without the courtesy of calling it rain.
You were given an absolute lay up and bricked it. It’s borderline weaponized incompetence and at this point is deliberately insulting to the builder community…I thought 100% this would be left alone,..but no, SDS proved once again just how flippin’ tone deaf they are to their community.
Seriously @SDS_JoeK_PSN…this is an absolute embarrassing move for SDS. Absolutely embarrassing. Walking this back is the only way to save face here, SDS…you’ve got one shot at it.
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@SDS_JoeK_PSN so when you say, "thanks for the feedback. I'll pass that along to the team." What does that really mean? Just curious. Cuz it sounds an awful lot like "duely noted" to me now.
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P1ss poor decision making from SDS here, major league slap in the face.
@SDS_JoeK_PSN you NEED to walk this back…you NEED to get this to the team ASAP. Absolute anti-consumer move from SDS here.
I can’t believe you guys thought this was a good idea, I’ve spent hours defending SDS, specifically @SDS_JoeK_PSN every time he came in here and put up with the abuse. I’m sorry, but I take this as a personal insult, you flat out lied to us…Flat. Out. LIED
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For the record, and to tie the red bow on this abomination. What SDS did was freeze the location of the backstop and baseline wall panels in all stadiums brought up or created within Stadium Creator. So, any stadium that had the "wall glitch" option available and was used to move the backstop and baseline walls will have those most recently moved positions frozen.
However, any custom stadium that had its backstop and baseline wall panels moved still works in RTTS, Franchise, and Exhibition games just as before. It is again just that no further changes to the backstop and baseline wall panels can be made.
This means that someone that abused the option to create a truly foolish stadium with baseline wall panels actually crossing past the foul lines and truly into the field of fair play, will have those revised wall panels frozen in that place. And I presume that one could still play games versus the CPU using such a foolish setup. I say presume because I never created such a stadium and therefore don't care to test that part out.
So, in short, SDS did nothing that would actually prevent corrupt play. All they did was remove the creative freedom that we paying customers had found for ourselves. In other words, control means more to SDS than customer satisfaction. And anyone who pays for this game who is actually OK with that, is someone I cannot relate to.
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I written a post each year (since 23) about SDS giving us the finger on this or that. It’s always something. I haven’t made a post this year because I’ve hardly touched 25.
I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who’s noticed their blatant disregard.
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it was a bug, a glitch. SDS ignoring it just so 10 people online are happy is not good business practice. i would wager more than 3/4ths of the player base for this game does not check these forums, yet their experience matters all the same. its not a crime to fix a broken aspect of their video game, no matter how beneficial it may seem on the surface. there are people at SDS who get paid and are hired for just this. it was a broken and exploited aspect of the game, plain and simple. they want to make sure their game runs as smoothly as it can, and edited baseline walls can impact that greatly. it sucks, but SDS had no other choice.
but hey, nice to know SDS does check the request tickets they are sent
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@maddybutgames_PSN The SC community found a way to make a stadium different and theirs. I saw that most people didn’t exploit it, just made a different stadium which is something the SC community wants to do. So telling people to “touch grass” and insulting them over how frustrated they are is messed up bro. Look at the other topics here, they badly just wanna be creative with the SC maker and it was taken from them they feel.
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@Dinger_Dan19_PSN in the eyes of a game developer, anything that breaks the system in place is a exploit. im just calling it as it is. and as the person who found this bug and shared it to the subreddit a month ago, i knew this was the risk. i just dont think this melodramatic overreaction to a game studio doing the bare minimum work is doing anyone any favors
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@maddybutgames_PSN ok you missed the point.
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So the question now is... WHEN will MLB The Show be available on PC? This will solve many of our problems!
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@Dinger_Dan19_PSN please enlighten me on what point i have seemed to miss in all this. that people are upset SDS fixed an exploit in their game and took their usual steps in addressing said exploit? i get frustration with the feature itself (i also am not a fan of what the mode has become), but reading messages here and elsewhere, it seems targeted at SDS for just doing their job as a gaming company
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@maddybutgames_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
@Dinger_Dan19_PSN please enlighten me on what point i have seemed to miss in all this. that people are upset SDS fixed an exploit in their game and took their usual steps in addressing said exploit? i get frustration with the feature itself (i also am not a fan of what the mode has become), but reading messages here and elsewhere, it seems targeted at SDS for just doing their job as a gaming company
The point is that they ignored the requests to fix the bugs that affect SC daily, rather than fixing a bug that hardly anybody used or knew about. They ignored the community and spent programming hours fixing something that wasn't a significant issue, while other important issues still remain.
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@Blind_Bleeder_PSN i will concur some of the bugs in the creator this year not being fixed by now (mostly the fence wall props for me) is annoying, but its clear to me SDS saw the baseline glitch as a high priority thing to fix. why? who knows. same went with the batters eye moveable props last year, and that situation probably effected their response to this new exploit.
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@Blind_Bleeder_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
@maddybutgames_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
@Dinger_Dan19_PSN please enlighten me on what point i have seemed to miss in all this. that people are upset SDS fixed an exploit in their game and took their usual steps in addressing said exploit? i get frustration with the feature itself (i also am not a fan of what the mode has become), but reading messages here and elsewhere, it seems targeted at SDS for just doing their job as a gaming company
The point is that they ignored the requests to fix the bugs that affect SC daily, rather than fixing a bug that hardly anybody used or knew about. They ignored the community and spent programming hours fixing something that wasn't a significant issue, while other important issues still remain.
Fair points, but it's even worse than that. SDS spent money to end something that increased customer happiness and not due to any legitimate concerns over abuse of the game. Since custom stadiums can no longer be played online, there were zero options for abusing online play due to being able to move the baseline and backstop walls.
In short, SDS went on an overt public relations campaign with the release of MLB The Show 25 saying that they were listening to their customers, when in truth they are run by control freaks who treat customers like garbage and arrogantly presume they dictate what their customers do, suffering from the myopic view that SDS is too big to fail.
Nope, they are very much in the margin of companies fully able to destroy themselves by destroying their customer relationships, and this latest move outraged a great many customers. I don't spend my money on companies that treat me with outright malice.
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"mal·ice
/ˈmaləs/
noun
the intention or desire to do evil; ill will."dont know if i'd call a game studio patching a bug evil, but you do you.
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@maddybutgames_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
it was a bug, a glitch. SDS ignoring it just so 10 people online are happy is not good business practice. i would wager more than 3/4ths of the player base for this game does not check these forums, yet their experience matters all the same. its not a crime to fix a broken aspect of their video game, no matter how beneficial it may seem on the surface. there are people at SDS who get paid and are hired for just this. it was a broken and exploited aspect of the game, plain and simple. they want to make sure their game runs as smoothly as it can, and edited baseline walls can impact that greatly. it sucks, but SDS had no other choice.
but hey, nice to know SDS does check the request tickets they are sent
I get what you think you're trying to say, but it was SIGNIFICANTLY more than 10 people and to downplay it is more or less just ignorant. Of all the things that needed fixing...one that wasn't being a detriment in any way whatsoever to the game, or ability to play, was NOT one of them. If SDS had any sense whatsoever they'd just walk it back
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Maddy just wanted to take an “I told you so” lap on this getting patched when the real issue is that the glitch/exploit revealed that the stadium creator could be jail broken by the devs with pretty minimal time and resource expenditure to give users way more creative freedom. They refuse to do so and should be criticized for using the little dev time devoted to the feature for restricting creativity instead of adding props and functionality.
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@Sarge1387_PSN We can all think it doesn't impact "ability to play", but the freedom the exploit provided could mean walls could be place in ways that did impact the game at hand. And the excuse of "but stadiums no online" won't hold any weight if/when SDS decides to let stadiums be used online again. Judging by the fact they patched the exploit out, it could easily be a preemptive measure for the return of stadiums online. Same with the batters eye prop glitch from last year. This exploit that could impact every mode in the game, not just Stadium Creator. I'm sorry Stadium Creator is not a high enough priority on SDS list of stuff in the grand scheme of things, but this move makes sense for across the board game balancing.
