50/50 Season
-
@SaveFarris_PSN Well, the year after their chase 99, was one of his worst years, but you believe whatever you want to believe. I agree that he was probably a hall of famer without steroids, but I’m not going to pretend we know how long he was taking them. I especially don’t buy that he was a top 5 player all time without them.
-
Bond's career WAR from 86-98 was 99.9. That alone would have put him 27th on the all-time WAR list at the time (now 32nd) behind such people as Young, Collins, Alexander, Grove, and Spahn who, while all great in their own rights, owe their high WAR scores due to longevity.
Labeling him as a Top 5 all-timer prior to 98 would certainly qualify as a Hot Take, but you could definitely make the case.
-
@virusts_XBL said in 50/50 Season:
Brady Anderson. Talk about a one hit wonder.
Only need one card - 1996 Finest.
-
@SaveFarris_PSN I guess if you are quantifying careers solely based on WAR. That’s a pretty lazy way to judge who the greatest players of all time were IMO.
-
There's no way to judge whom would be the greatest player(s) of all time. Tou would have to take into effect era, would batters and pitchers be separate, would you include Negro League players, women who played during wars, etc.
Some could argue that Ted Williams and his .404 avg, which no modern hitter has sniffed, would be the GOAT.
Some could argue that Jackie Robinson is the GOAT; because he broke the Color Barrier.
To many factors to take into consideration.
-
@GoozeFn_PSN said in 50/50 Season:
I guess if you are quantifying careers solely based on WAR. That’s a pretty lazy way to judge who the greatest players of all time were IMO.
If you've got a better quantitative way to measure players, I'm all ears. Until then, WAR is the best I've seen at comparing players across positions, eras, and parks.
-
@SaveFarris_PSN Well, there are a lot of reasons not to like WAR, but I’d love to hear how they are quantifying defensive WAR on players where there isn’t even video, like Babe Ruth. WAR is a deeply overrated statistic IMO. I could not care less about any argument that starts with WAR. I understand why people do it. It’s supposed to be a catch all on a players value, but if you dive into how it’s calculated, I’d bet most people will see how deeply flawed it is.
-
@GoozeFn_PSN said in 50/50 Season:
@SaveFarris_PSN Well, there are a lot of reasons not to like WAR, but I’d love to hear how they are quantifying defensive WAR on players where there isn’t even video, like Babe Ruth. WAR is a deeply overrated statistic IMO. I could not care less about any argument that starts with WAR. I understand why people do it. It’s supposed to be a catch all on a players value, but if you dive into how it’s calculated, I’d bet most people will see how deeply flawed it is.
War. What is it good for?
-
@theBlindRhino_PSN Absolutely nothin
-
@X-FREEZE-OFF-X_PSN
So I wonder what the odds are on Ohtani actually getting to 60-60? Probably very long, but I think he has a puncher's chance. -
@SaveFarris_PSN said in 50/50 Season:
Bond's career WAR from 86-98 was 99.9. That alone would have put him 27th on the all-time WAR list at the time (now 32nd) behind such people as Young, Collins, Alexander, Grove, and Spahn who, while all great in their own rights, owe their high WAR scores due to longevity.
Labeling him as a Top 5 all-timer prior to 98 would certainly qualify as a Hot Take, but you could definitely make the case.
Well he would have needed to have a decent end career, which again is far from certain.
But his career through age 33 compares well with mays. mays was the better fielder (even if they had the same amount of gold gloves) but Bonds was probably the better hitter. 3 mvps in 4 years (with a second place finish the other year) speaks volumes about how good he was for the era. Even in that 1998 year bonds was still leading the league with 30 intentional walks.
-
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in 50/50 Season:
It is widely accepted Bonds didnt start taking steroids until after the 1998 season
Something being "widely accepted" doesnt make it fact. It was once "widely accepted" among kids that Santa Claus was real and now as adults, we know how that turned out.
-
@Easy_Duhz_It__PSN said in 50/50 Season:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in 50/50 Season:
It is widely accepted Bonds didnt start taking steroids until after the 1998 season
Something being "widely accepted" doesnt make it fact. It was once "widely accepted" among kids that Santa Claus was real and now as adults, we know how that turned out.
Wait, Santa isn't real?
-
A admin locked this topic on
