50/50 Season
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While Shohei is the only MLB player to hit 50 HRs and steal 50 bases in the same season. Two other players have both hit 50 HRs in a season and stole 50 bases in a season. But in separate seasons.
Without using Google; can you name the two players?
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Bonds and Brady Anderson.
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@Ericulous1_PSN said in 50/50 Season:
Bonds and Brady Anderson.
Yea. Very good if you didnt use Google.
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I new it. Neither should count haha
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Brady Anderson. Talk about a one hit wonder.
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A 96 Brady Anderson card has been on my MLB The Show wishlist for like 8 years.
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@Ericulous1_PSN said in 50/50 Season:
I new it. Neither should count haha
To be fair, the only reason Bonds topped out at 46 pre steroids is because he walked 130 times.
People forget that Bonds was a top 5 all time player before touching steroids. -
@Teak2112_MLBTS There’s only one person who knows when the steroids started and his first several years were not on pace for top 5 all time.
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@GoozeFn_PSN said in 50/50 Season:
@Teak2112_MLBTS There’s only one person who knows when the steroids started and his first several years were not on pace for top 5 all time.
It is widely accepted Bonds didnt start taking steroids until after the 1998 season
And at that point Bonds was 33 years old with over 400 HR and 400 SB with 3 mvps and 8 gold gloves.
Of course, as we know with players like Trout and Griffey injuries can derail you quickly so no guarantee he would have ended up with 600+ HR
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@Teak2112_MLBTS Well, if what you are saying is true, people widely accept something they couldn’t possibly know. I’ve never seen this wide acceptance you are talking about.
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@GoozeFn_PSN said in 50/50 Season:
Well, if what you are saying is true, people widely accept something they couldn’t possibly know. I’ve never seen this wide acceptance you are talking about.
It's been pretty well documented that Bonds felt a significant level of unappreciation after the McGwire/Sosa chase and made the aggressive move to ... "update his workout routine" ... after the Great Home Run Chase.
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@SaveFarris_PSN Well, the year after their chase 99, was one of his worst years, but you believe whatever you want to believe. I agree that he was probably a hall of famer without steroids, but I’m not going to pretend we know how long he was taking them. I especially don’t buy that he was a top 5 player all time without them.
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Bond's career WAR from 86-98 was 99.9. That alone would have put him 27th on the all-time WAR list at the time (now 32nd) behind such people as Young, Collins, Alexander, Grove, and Spahn who, while all great in their own rights, owe their high WAR scores due to longevity.
Labeling him as a Top 5 all-timer prior to 98 would certainly qualify as a Hot Take, but you could definitely make the case.
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@virusts_XBL said in 50/50 Season:
Brady Anderson. Talk about a one hit wonder.
Only need one card - 1996 Finest.
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@SaveFarris_PSN I guess if you are quantifying careers solely based on WAR. That’s a pretty lazy way to judge who the greatest players of all time were IMO.
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There's no way to judge whom would be the greatest player(s) of all time. Tou would have to take into effect era, would batters and pitchers be separate, would you include Negro League players, women who played during wars, etc.
Some could argue that Ted Williams and his .404 avg, which no modern hitter has sniffed, would be the GOAT.
Some could argue that Jackie Robinson is the GOAT; because he broke the Color Barrier.
To many factors to take into consideration.
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@GoozeFn_PSN said in 50/50 Season:
I guess if you are quantifying careers solely based on WAR. That’s a pretty lazy way to judge who the greatest players of all time were IMO.
If you've got a better quantitative way to measure players, I'm all ears. Until then, WAR is the best I've seen at comparing players across positions, eras, and parks.
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@SaveFarris_PSN Well, there are a lot of reasons not to like WAR, but I’d love to hear how they are quantifying defensive WAR on players where there isn’t even video, like Babe Ruth. WAR is a deeply overrated statistic IMO. I could not care less about any argument that starts with WAR. I understand why people do it. It’s supposed to be a catch all on a players value, but if you dive into how it’s calculated, I’d bet most people will see how deeply flawed it is.
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@GoozeFn_PSN said in 50/50 Season:
@SaveFarris_PSN Well, there are a lot of reasons not to like WAR, but I’d love to hear how they are quantifying defensive WAR on players where there isn’t even video, like Babe Ruth. WAR is a deeply overrated statistic IMO. I could not care less about any argument that starts with WAR. I understand why people do it. It’s supposed to be a catch all on a players value, but if you dive into how it’s calculated, I’d bet most people will see how deeply flawed it is.
War. What is it good for?
