Is skill becoming less relevant?
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@The_Joneser except this is a video game… if you want randomness like that just watch an actual game. Input should matter in a video game. Not rng nonsense.
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@bryan44177 ok, so remove all the ratings on every player, just have a random lineup with no attributes like the Ataris and early NES games?
Cool.
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@bryan44177 said in Is skill becoming less relevant?:
@The_Joneser except this is a video game… if you want randomness like that just watch an actual game. Input should matter in a video game. Not rng nonsense.
Video games are literally coded based on RNG....What's the point in having a pitcher with Pitcher attributes or a batter w/ hitting attributes if you're going to ignore RNG.
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@GixxerRyder750 Tony Gwynn has almost no power in this game. Squared up balls by him have left the bat slower than the pitch. I don’t care if 125 max attribute whoever throws that ball. It’s still squared up and it still should be hit hard having randomness like that does not have a place in video games and sure wouldn’t happen in real life for the it’s just baseball crowd.
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@bryan44177 said in Is skill becoming less relevant?:
@GixxerRyder750 Tony Gwynn has almost no power in this game. Squared up balls by him have left the bat slower than the pitch. I don’t care if 125 max attribute whoever throws that ball. It’s still squared up and it still should be hit hard having randomness like that does not have a place in video games and sure wouldn’t happen in real life for the it’s just baseball crowd.
Having a hard time understanding your argument here...The guy with no Power...doesn't hit the ball hard? And that's Random? Sounds to me like that's exactly how it should work...
And a what do you mean wouldn't happen in real life? One of the hardest hit balls in the Stat Cast era was a ground out to a Short Stop.
RNG doesn't mean just random results are going to happen.
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@bryan44177, I've used Tony Gwynn, and I've never squared up a ball that left the bat at a slower rate of speed than the pitch. If it leaves the bat slower than the pitch, then you didn't "square it up." Remember that the reticle is not the bat; it's where the batter is looking, and even if you line it up, there's a small chance that the point of contact is something different than what you've intended (and with Gwynn and his limited power, this will be more apparent than other hitters, so even if slightly exaggerated, it's more realistic than him looking like McGwire).
If you don't like RNG or randomness, you shouldn't be playing baseball; FPS games might be a better match for you if you just want affirmation of your skill with regard to lining something up in crosshairs.
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@GixxerRyder750 I was pointing out that players that are not considered power hitters can still hit the ball hard regardless of attributes. Thought I made that pretty clear.
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@The_Joneser just because you haven’t done it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. There are YouTube videos of this happening with power guys even.
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@bryan44177, then they didn't "square it up." Again, just because the reticle is lined up doesn't mean that's where the bat made contact. That might drive you mad, but it mimics reality much more than every successful targeting tearing the cover off the ball.
Think about it... how many times have you seen a good MLB batter slam their bat down in disgust after just missing a fat pitch and popping it up? Were they looking in the wrong place, somehow focused at some point in empty space when the ball they were tracking was somewhere else? No. Baseball is hard, and their body failed to execute what their eyes and their brain had planned... a baseball video game does not work without including that reality into its programming because failure is at the heart of this game; those whose fragile egos can't handle that and take from it the humility that comes with it should play something else.
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@The_Joneser I mean good swing timing and the ball literally touching the dot in the center of the pci seems pretty squared up to me.
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@bryan44177, that just means you're looking there. Round ball, round bat... doesn't take much to get a different result than what you're expecting.
The reticle is not the bat.
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lol yes it is… if it’s not the bat then what the hell is it for? They put that out to explain why opponents pci wasn’t touching the ball on hard hits. Why do you think they took out the opposing pci a couple of years ago?
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@bryan44177, that would be true if not for the fact that it isn't.
It's named the Plate Coverage Indicator, not "The Bat," and it clearly moves all around the zone when you wiggle the stick, yet the bat stays rooted on the player's shoulder. That should be your biggest clue.
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@The_Joneser lol yes it’s where the bat is going to go during the swing not standing at the plate flipping it around like a lunatic.
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@bryan44177, it's where you want the bat to go (where you are looking), not a guarantee of where it will go; just like looking right at a fastball in real life and somehow swinging right through it when you're absolutely sure that you had it dead to rights.
There are a lot of variables that go into generating those odds, and while it is true that, in this game, those are hard hit balls more often than not (hence the disappointment when they are not), it is not a guaranteed outcome and it shouldn't be.
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@The_Joneser said in Is skill becoming less relevant?:
@bryan44177, that would be true if not for the fact that it isn't.
It's named the Plate Coverage Indicator, not "The Bat," and it clearly moves all around the zone when you wiggle the stick, yet the bat stays rooted on the player's shoulder. That should be your biggest clue.
Do you know what object indicates your coverage of the Plate in real life?
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@chucky97___ , the closest approximation to an object would be your eyes, unless you stretch things a bit and consider vision itself and the brain's processing of the information it gleans to be that representation. In real life, you simply look at the ball and try to figure out where it's going and when it will get there, and the rest is up to physical execution and the hope that your body can pull it off by putting the bat where your eyes and brain tell you it should go, and that only happens about 30% of the time.
Look, I know that my opinion is not that of the majority so take that for what you will, but I believe the introduction of the PCI was the worst thing that could have ever happened to a baseball game. I think it gives the "but my skill" crowd reason to insist that the failure and heartbreak--and the pure joy of overcoming odds stacked against you--that comprise the heart of this beautiful sport should be negated because they're really good at Call of Duty. I'm not a fan of reducing baseball to a targeting exercise. I'm glad that SDS has not yet succumbed to that line of thinking and they insist on some statistically driven outcomes that don't exactly line up with user input, and my opinion is that those whose argument is that "this is a video game" fail to grasp that most people love this game because they love baseball, and they want the game to look like the sport they love.
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The pci is not the bat argument went out the door when they gave us a bat pci lol
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@The_Joneser no I get that. Everyone in here loves baseball. Doesn’t take away from this is in fact a video game. If it is just a bunch of randomness and the cpu dictates when I get a hit or not then what’s the point of playing when you can just watch your favorite team in real life and accomplish the same thing.
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@bryan44177, it isn't simply random; it's input tempered by situational attribute-based chance, and there's plenty of control over the game to distinguish it from the passive activity of watching... I don't want Tyler Nevin to have just as good a chance of scorching a line drive as Ronald Acuna Jr if I place a target properly, and I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would.
