Is skill becoming less relevant?
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@xIAmJumpMan23x Well, if your opponent scored more runs than you, how is that the games fault and not yours?
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@BJDUBBYAH I'm not saying "it's the game's fault." I'm saying if you're going to use a strikeout differential of 4 to discount OPs original point, then I have a similar example where the strikeout differential was 333% the OTHER direction. It shows, to OP's point, that user input is too often secondary to random RNG in determining the outcome of at-bats.
Instead of using a minimal strikeout differential to discount the OP's point for no reason, maybe add something constructive...or just sit this one out
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@xIAmJumpMan23x Turn those K's into hits and you've got yourself a win partner
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@chucky97___ said in Is skill becoming less relevant?:
@LIONED-33 Lol, I'd say thats just the outer PCI over directional
I think the people that complain about directional don't actually use it
foul ball foul ball foul ball foul ball, hit, rinse repeat
You missed the 'whiff on good timing in the strike zone' or 'weak groundball on a well timed curveball'
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@BJDUBBYAH But that's what we're saying...we don't have nearly enough control over if those balls we put into play ARE hits. For my example, I put significantly more balls into play than my opponent. I hit more balls hard than my opponent. I just was not arbitrarily rewarded with as many HRs. We're literally saying we don't have enough control over if what we hit hard becomes a hit.
Like...I don't know if you're being purposefully dense because being a troll is your identity and it's weirdly how you get your jollies. Or if you're an actual moron that doesn't understand what we're trying to say. Either way, you're essentially the dog [censored] on the bottom of the shoe of this conversation.
You stink
You add nothing
And most of us want to just scrape you off and move on...partner -
@xIAmJumpMan23x Let's take a deep dive into your game log
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@BJDUBBYAH Go for it dude! I've only talked about one game and you won't find any evidence from that game that's any different from what I've claimed.
And you can look at 1000 games from before that and nothing in there that is good, bad, ugly, or anything else applies to the theoretical nature of what me or the OP is talking about.
You can be good at the game; you can be bad at the game; you can be that guy that has 300 freakin wins already. We're talking about the theory of how the hitting engine works and the arbitrary nature of hitting outcomes. Our individual skill does nothing to change that.
But then again I don't expect you to understand that or understand the nature of anecdotal evidence and how it doesn't apply to something like this...
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@xIAmJumpMan23x You see, neither you, or OP are giving your opponents any credit. Your opponent is rated 820 this Ranked season, 17-7 record and 37-13 for the year. Definitely a solid player. 2009 rank on the year to your 16409.
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@xIAmJumpMan23x Striking out chasing a pitch in the dirt with a runner in scoring position, is an outcome determined by you, and your opponent, who beat you in that situation. The game did not determine the outcome there.
That's my whole problem with folks like you and the OP, you're laser focused on the wrong outcomes, and not willing to accept that you come up short in clutch situations, and that determined the overall outcome of the game.
You got beat by a better player.
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@BJDUBBYAH Ok...but my opponent's record does nothing to change literally anything I've said. He can be 17-7. He can be 117-7. Or he can be 7-117. It changes absolutely nothing about how my game with him played out. Regardless of his record, he still struck out 18 times to my 8 times. He still only hit 5 balls hard. He still arbitrarily got rewarded with HRs on an insane 80% of the balls he hit hard.
The only way his record, or how good he is, plays a role in ANY of that, is if you're claiming that the better your record is, the more likely you are to have the balls you hit hard be HRs...which would be asinine.
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@xIAmJumpMan23x Insulting people on a community forum doesn't change anything either. You lost. You struck out in clutch situations. Cry all you want about hard hit outs, that's not why you lost. You chased pitches and got beat.
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@BJDUBBYAH I can't do this with you...Jesus Christ
You're using extremely narrow examples to try and disprove a point about the general state of the hitting engine.
I struck out with a runner in scoring position. Ok. Do you know why he didn't? Because he didn't have a single at-bat with a runner in scoring position the entire game becuae his 6 hits were 4 HRs and 2 rolled-over ground ball singles.
If you focus on the "bad", you also have to focus on the "good." Yes, I may have struck out with a runner in scoring position...I also squared up more balls than he did and hit more balls hard than he did. But mine were not arbitrarily rewarded as HRs. And THAT'S what I'm saying.
You're so laser-focused on trying to prove your point that you're missing literally EVERYTHING OP and me are trying to say
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@xIAmJumpMan23x And here is your bottom of the ninth.
"Hawkeyes batting. Dominguez flied out to Dominguez (F9). Dunn struck out chasing a fastball high and away. Raleigh struck out chasing a fastball low and away.
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 12"2 k's on fastballs.
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@BJDUBBYAH Yes, in specific situations there were things I could have done better. There were also WAY more times when my opponent could have done better as well.
There are ALWAYS moments when you could have avoided striking out. Or you could have hit a ball hard instead of being jammed. Or you could have laid off a pitch instead of rolling over on it for a ground ball. That's the nature of baseball. If you're argument is "hey, you weren't perfect in every at-bat for the entire game so you have no right to complain" then you've created a situation where nobody has a complaint ever.
What we're saying is, over the course of 9 innings, looking at the entirety of the game, we obviously outhit/outplayed our opponent, but because RNG played a bigger role than the overall input, our opponent won.
And that's the complaint. Not that I lost...that happens. I'm going to lose. But we just want to feel like our user input plays a larger role than seemingly arbitrary hitting outcomes.
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@xIAmJumpMan23x you and your opponent both had 6 hits. You didn't out hit them.
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@BJDUBBYAH Like I've been saying the entire [censored] argument dude, I hit more balls hard. That's all I've ever said. I didn't mean "outhit" literally; I meant "outhit" in the fact that I had better hitting input.
I'm talking about the general state of the hitting engine and you're saying the fact that I struck out on a fastball in the 9th somehow discredits the entire argument.
I don't know how to explain in any more detail how individual, specific examples don't do anything to credit or discredit what we're saying about the general state of the hitting engine and how it doesn't do enough to reward input.
Literally nothing you've said has disproven what me or the OP have said about how the hitting engine generally works.
Like I said...I don't know if you're trolling me (in which case congrats because you got me) or if you just generally don't understand. Either way...whatever
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@xIAmJumpMan23x And no, my argument is not "hey, you weren't perfect in every at-bat for the entire game so you have no right to complain"
Baseball is a game in which you're considered extremely successful when you fail 7 out of 10 times. No one expects perfection.
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@xIAmJumpMan23x I understand perfectly that you're crying about losing a video game. One hundred percent clear. And I understand that you are blaming the game, and not yourself. Which, in my opinion, is the wrong approach.
I understand you are completely unwilling to give your opponent any credit when their record, and lifetime rank for MLB the Show 24 is far better than yours.
But sure dude, you had more hard hit outs.
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@BJDUBBYAH lol it’s literally like you’re willfully ignoring everything he’s saying just to support your argument. You’d make a great politician.
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@bryan44177 oh no I get it.
Lose a game = opponent was trash and got rewarded for trash.
Win a game = all skill.
100 percent clear.
