Since when did rookies become so entitled
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One of the most irritating things to see nowadays is these rookies who somehow think that they have earned the right to question the strike zone while hitting. Maybe the umpires have become more apathetic to this behavior but I remember a time when a rookie would pull that garbage and would be run from the game faster than it would take for the rookie to look cross eyed at the umpire. I can understand allowing a veteran to have a bit of leeway when it comes to arguing balls and strikes but that’s because they have created a rapport with the umps in the game and have a back of the baseball card to fall back on. It seemed like it really started getting bad when Juan Soto entered the league and watching him literally complain about every strike taken. Now he has earned the respect of the league for his elite eye at the plate but nonetheless it was very irritating watching his antics early in his career. What do you folks think? Has it gotten a bit out of hand? And should the umps start to come down hard on these entitled rookies who should be spending more time developing their skills quietly than making a show of themselves at the plate and their perceived strike zones?
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I think every player has the right to argue questionable calls, rookie or not.
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@iBonafideScrub_ said in Since when did rookies become so entitled:
I think every player has the right to argue questionable calls, rookie or not.
Actually rule books states that they do not have the right to argue balls and strikes and the penalty is an immediate ejection. It’s literally a rule. My gripe is only with these guys that have no service time and think that they have some God given right to make an [censored] of themselves at the plate when they strikeout looking.
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Idk, I tune in to see Corbin Carroll or James Outman crush a ball, not for a ump to make a bad call and it all be sunshine and roses because they are a rookie so it doesn't matter
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@eatyum_PSN said in Since when did rookies become so entitled:
Idk, I tune in to see Corbin Carroll or James Outman crush a ball, not for a ump to make a bad call and it all be sunshine and roses because they are a rookie so it doesn't matter
I get that but not every call is bad and in fact the stats show the majority of their calls are correct. It those that complain on every single strike taken that really irks me. Like I said it got to point with Juan Soto during his rookie year that I could barely watch his at bats because he would question literally every taken strike. He has toned it down nowadays but his rookie year was hard to watch and it was pretty cringeworthy to be totally honest.
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Since when did rookies become so entitled:
@eatyum_PSN said in Since when did rookies become so entitled:
Idk, I tune in to see Corbin Carroll or James Outman crush a ball, not for a ump to make a bad call and it all be sunshine and roses because they are a rookie so it doesn't matter
I get that but not every call is bad and in fact the stats show the majority of their calls are correct. It those that complain on every single strike taken that really irks me. Like I said it got to point with Juan Soto during his rookie year that I could barely watch his at bats because he would question literally every taken strike. He has toned it down nowadays but his rookie year was hard to watch and it was pretty cringeworthy to be totally honest.
Meh, you can say it was cringeworthy, but it caught on and he got very popular, if it builds a brand why not?
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Last year we had a rookie that spent the first half of the season getting rung up on some ridiculously horrible calls. Finally after three months enough players and the MLBPA complained enough that the rookie finally was getting treated with some respect from the umpires. I don't think that is acceptable!
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@dap1234567890 said in Since when did rookies become so entitled:
Last year we had a rookie that spent the first half of the season getting rung up on some ridiculously horrible calls. Finally after three months enough players and the MLBPA complained enough that the rookie finally was getting treated with some respect from the umpires. I don't think that is acceptable!
Idk maybe it’s me being an old school old guy who still believes that there are unwritten rules and a hierarchy that these kids should have to navigate as part of the rites of passage to being a big leaguer.
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World don’t work like that…he has every right to argue whatever he wants…rookie or not. He’s not less important than anyone else on that team.
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@ItsAmeMario64_MLBTS said in Since when did rookies become so entitled:
World don’t work like that…he has every right to argue whatever he wants…rookie or not. He’s not less important than anyone else on that team.
Fair enough, I figured I was in the minority on this one
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Since when did rookies become so entitled:
@ItsAmeMario64_MLBTS said in Since when did rookies become so entitled:
World don’t work like that…he has every right to argue whatever he wants…rookie or not. He’s not less important than anyone else on that team.
Fair enough, I figured I was in the minority on this one
Just like everything else, moderation is best and knowing when to question. Cannot just get screwed over for three months, but at the same time cannot question everything or nearly everything.
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I’ve always despised baseball’s “unwritten rules.” A rookie has just as much right to question calls as a 15 year veteran. If you hit a HR and wanna stand and watch it, so be it. If you wanna flip your bat 273719496 times before it hits the ground, awesome. Just like when pitchers get excited when they get a SO. The “traditionalists” have always pissed me off in baseball.
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I think if you know the strike zone then you know the strike zone.
However, I do think there is something to a tenured guy getting the benefit of the doubt on a close pitch based on their reputation for having an incredible eye like a Wade Boggs.
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Insert obligatory "When you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know" anecdote...
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Since when did rookies become so entitled:
@iBonafideScrub_ said in Since when did rookies become so entitled:
I think every player has the right to argue questionable calls, rookie or not.
Actually rule books states that they do not have the right to argue balls and strikes and the penalty is an immediate ejection. It’s literally a rule. My gripe is only with these guys that have no service time and think that they have some God given right to make an [censored] of themselves at the plate when they strikeout looking.
I think as long as you're actually right argue away. Maybe mlb will realize they have a problem
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@flaw7420_XBL said in Since when did rookies become so entitled:
I’ve always despised baseball’s “unwritten rules.” A rookie has just as much right to question calls as a 15 year veteran. If you hit a HR and wanna stand and watch it, so be it. If you wanna flip your bat 273719496 times before it hits the ground, awesome. Just like when pitchers get excited when they get a SO. The “traditionalists” have always pissed me off in baseball.
I think you may be watching the wrong sport then because baseball is all about tradition and if you ignore tradition you ignore baseballs place in the American culture. This sounds exactly like the woke culture which has infested itself in our society.
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100% why we need an electronic strike zone in the mlb. Keep the umpires behind the plate to relay the calls, and for emergency situations with glitches with the system.
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Since when did rookies become so entitled:
@flaw7420_XBL said in Since when did rookies become so entitled:
I’ve always despised baseball’s “unwritten rules.” A rookie has just as much right to question calls as a 15 year veteran. If you hit a HR and wanna stand and watch it, so be it. If you wanna flip your bat 273719496 times before it hits the ground, awesome. Just like when pitchers get excited when they get a SO. The “traditionalists” have always pissed me off in baseball.
I think you may be watching the wrong sport then because baseball is all about tradition and if you ignore tradition you ignore baseballs place in the American culture. This sounds exactly like the woke culture which has infested itself in our society.
Or, it’s not living like it’s 1923 instead of 2023. It’s ok for the players to have fun while they play. If you prefer boring [censored] baseball, just rewatch games from 50 years ago.
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I just am curious if the AAA robo ump will cause a bit more of this as some guys are used to the robo-ump now and expect every call "perfect"
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MLB umps have very soft & fragile egos. Anybody says anything they don’t like or anyone that looks at them a certain way gets tossed…Now look at NFL refs - Those guys stand there all game with coaches screaming in their ear & they never bat an eye. F MLB umps bro.
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