I don’t want no stubs…
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@TubaTim90_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Make cards too attainable - people complain
Make cards harder to attain - people complain
Moral - it doesn’t matter what anyone does, ever. People will always complain.That is why I said that it is a fine line that SDS has to walk. Attainable is a subjective measure when it comes to this game because it boils down to play time. Set that goal too high and you lose the more casual players. Set it too low and the hardcore players get bored.
Is there even a happy median to be found?
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Yup agreed, and to some extent people shouldn’t have to flip cards to an extent to get someone they like within reason. I laugh at the br reward at 140 points is 3,000 stubs like wow thanks that’s two whole packs. Do I think everyone should have 100,000s of stubs no but last year cards were cheaper bc everyone was sellable.
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@Dolenz_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@TubaTim90_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Make cards too attainable - people complain
Make cards harder to attain - people complain
Moral - it doesn’t matter what anyone does, ever. People will always complain.That is why I said that it is a fine line that SDS has to walk. Attainable is a subjective measure when it comes to this game because it boils down to play time. Set that goal too high and you lose the more casual players. Set it too low and the hardcore players get bored.
Is there even a happy median to be found?
i thought last year was reasonable (outside of the lack of TA) This year it seems they slowed the economy down and also put most of the usable cards in expensive packs (that you lose on most of the time). THe TA cards mostly are average, you have to either pony up stubs or get lucky in the free packs to catch the cards you want. Last year i felt like i could earn enough stubs to buy cards, and the programs/rewards were fair enough that I could get most of the cards i wanted.
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@fubar2k7_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@urbanphilosophy_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@fubar2k7_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@chuckuluck_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Stubs are a buy that won’t get no love from me.
Seriously, what has happened that I am no longer just naturally accumulating stubs this year? At least last year if you would just grind BR or most other modes, you’d get multiple sellable silver or gold cards that would go for quite a bit and accumulate lots of stubs. This year my stub total seems to be crawling.
Needless to say, if the strategy is to get us to buy more stubs, I ain’t doing it!
I’d never defend a company for over reliance on microtransactions but they are getting shafted over at Microsoft. They just give the game away for free. They gotta make up that lost revenue somewhere.
Gave the game away? Game pass is a subscription. Xbox users pay monthly for the service to ‘rent’ the game. It is not nor has it ever been free. Additionally microsoft pays the developer a lump sum of money up front for the license to put it on game pass. If they were losing money on the deal they wouldn’t have made the deal multiple years in a row. Even Phil Spencer has mentioned multiple times now that he was actually shocked by the amount of people that end up buying game pass games once they leave the rotation. Again game pass does not nor has it ever given away any games for free
If you think the lump sum they paid equals the amount they can get per copy at $100 per game then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you. From what I understand they pay $2.5 million to developers which is 25,000 copies of their $100 version or slightly less than 36,000 of their $70 version.
Interesting that you know what Microsoft is paying , since that information has never been disclosed to the public. Again game pass is a subscription service , players are leasing the rights to the game. Players are leasing these rights even if they have never downloaded the game. Also just an fyi , the upper tier higher priced versions of these games are sold far less than the regular variants. The only number that has ever been discussed is that Microsoft paid out over 2.5 BILLION dollars to developers. Again BILLION. That works out to 850k per game , assuming all games ever listed in game pass are 100% equal which we all know isn’t.
Spencer hasn’t given specifics but they at one point did say some developers get a lump sum , sales and usage payments. I imagine those deals are reserved for AAA titles that come to game pass. Since you’d like to use speculation to support your completely off base assessment of free vs leasing I’ll go ahead and speculate too and just say that SDS is one of those developers
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@TubaTim90_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Make cards too attainable - people complain
Make cards harder to attain - people complain
Moral - it doesn’t matter what anyone does, ever. People will always complain.
While you are whining and complaining about complainers.
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@DoIHearBossMusic_MLBTS said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@TubaTim90_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Make cards too attainable - people complain
Make cards harder to attain - people complain
Moral - it doesn’t matter what anyone does, ever. People will always complain.
While you are whining and complaining about complainers.
Not really, but nice try kiddo.
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@urbanphilosophy_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@fubar2k7_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@urbanphilosophy_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@fubar2k7_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@chuckuluck_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Stubs are a buy that won’t get no love from me.
Seriously, what has happened that I am no longer just naturally accumulating stubs this year? At least last year if you would just grind BR or most other modes, you’d get multiple sellable silver or gold cards that would go for quite a bit and accumulate lots of stubs. This year my stub total seems to be crawling.
Needless to say, if the strategy is to get us to buy more stubs, I ain’t doing it!
I’d never defend a company for over reliance on microtransactions but they are getting shafted over at Microsoft. They just give the game away for free. They gotta make up that lost revenue somewhere.
Gave the game away? Game pass is a subscription. Xbox users pay monthly for the service to ‘rent’ the game. It is not nor has it ever been free. Additionally microsoft pays the developer a lump sum of money up front for the license to put it on game pass. If they were losing money on the deal they wouldn’t have made the deal multiple years in a row. Even Phil Spencer has mentioned multiple times now that he was actually shocked by the amount of people that end up buying game pass games once they leave the rotation. Again game pass does not nor has it ever given away any games for free
If you think the lump sum they paid equals the amount they can get per copy at $100 per game then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you. From what I understand they pay $2.5 million to developers which is 25,000 copies of their $100 version or slightly less than 36,000 of their $70 version.
Interesting that you know what Microsoft is paying , since that information has never been disclosed to the public. Again game pass is a subscription service , players are leasing the rights to the game. Players are leasing these rights even if they have never downloaded the game. Also just an fyi , the upper tier higher priced versions of these games are sold far less than the regular variants. The only number that has ever been discussed is that Microsoft paid out over 2.5 BILLION dollars to developers. Again BILLION. That works out to 850k per game , assuming all games ever listed in game pass are 100% equal which we all know isn’t.
Spencer hasn’t given specifics but they at one point did say some developers get a lump sum , sales and usage payments. I imagine those deals are reserved for AAA titles that come to game pass. Since you’d like to use speculation to support your completely off base assessment of free vs leasing I’ll go ahead and speculate too and just say that SDS is one of those developers
I just knew that’s what they paid for Ark Survivor Evolved which is about 16 million times more popular than MLB The Show. I threw them a bone that they’d pay them the same amount of money.
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@fubar2k7_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@urbanphilosophy_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@fubar2k7_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@urbanphilosophy_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@fubar2k7_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@chuckuluck_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Stubs are a buy that won’t get no love from me.
Seriously, what has happened that I am no longer just naturally accumulating stubs this year? At least last year if you would just grind BR or most other modes, you’d get multiple sellable silver or gold cards that would go for quite a bit and accumulate lots of stubs. This year my stub total seems to be crawling.
Needless to say, if the strategy is to get us to buy more stubs, I ain’t doing it!
I’d never defend a company for over reliance on microtransactions but they are getting shafted over at Microsoft. They just give the game away for free. They gotta make up that lost revenue somewhere.
Gave the game away? Game pass is a subscription. Xbox users pay monthly for the service to ‘rent’ the game. It is not nor has it ever been free. Additionally microsoft pays the developer a lump sum of money up front for the license to put it on game pass. If they were losing money on the deal they wouldn’t have made the deal multiple years in a row. Even Phil Spencer has mentioned multiple times now that he was actually shocked by the amount of people that end up buying game pass games once they leave the rotation. Again game pass does not nor has it ever given away any games for free
If you think the lump sum they paid equals the amount they can get per copy at $100 per game then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you. From what I understand they pay $2.5 million to developers which is 25,000 copies of their $100 version or slightly less than 36,000 of their $70 version.
Interesting that you know what Microsoft is paying , since that information has never been disclosed to the public. Again game pass is a subscription service , players are leasing the rights to the game. Players are leasing these rights even if they have never downloaded the game. Also just an fyi , the upper tier higher priced versions of these games are sold far less than the regular variants. The only number that has ever been discussed is that Microsoft paid out over 2.5 BILLION dollars to developers. Again BILLION. That works out to 850k per game , assuming all games ever listed in game pass are 100% equal which we all know isn’t.
Spencer hasn’t given specifics but they at one point did say some developers get a lump sum , sales and usage payments. I imagine those deals are reserved for AAA titles that come to game pass. Since you’d like to use speculation to support your completely off base assessment of free vs leasing I’ll go ahead and speculate too and just say that SDS is one of those developers
I threw them a bone that they’d pay them the same amount of money.
The logic is very sound. I would say those are safe bets indeed.
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I think the big issue is they over corrected a problem rather than making incremental changes. Season 1 Ranked Season was a joke. World series rewards shouldn't be 30k. BR rewards however maintained decent value but rather than making them non sellable, they could've made the program a little harder but it takes an investment to get there from the entry fee. However, making them non sellable just ends up with me actually losing stubs or breaking even for the majority of the program, and unlike ranked season the great players are still well rewarded with 90+ live series cards on the regular.
I just responded by not playing BR this season. Easy enough. I've definitely lost interest faster this year though. The seasons are too long even with the nice addition of the repeatable awards.
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@baseball229056_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Yes, these horrible for-profit companies need to be stopped. It is ridiculous that they actually want to turn a profit on something they produce. I can't understand why they don't just release all of the cards for the year on day one and just give them out to everyone.
My friend, they sell the game for $70 and it is set up like a mobile game. Every game that does it gets [censored] for it, but they all do it because it is a non competition market
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@fubar2k7_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@urbanphilosophy_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@fubar2k7_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@urbanphilosophy_XBL said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@fubar2k7_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
@chuckuluck_PSN said in I don’t want no stubs…:
Stubs are a buy that won’t get no love from me.
Seriously, what has happened that I am no longer just naturally accumulating stubs this year? At least last year if you would just grind BR or most other modes, you’d get multiple sellable silver or gold cards that would go for quite a bit and accumulate lots of stubs. This year my stub total seems to be crawling.
Needless to say, if the strategy is to get us to buy more stubs, I ain’t doing it!
I’d never defend a company for over reliance on microtransactions but they are getting shafted over at Microsoft. They just give the game away for free. They gotta make up that lost revenue somewhere.
Gave the game away? Game pass is a subscription. Xbox users pay monthly for the service to ‘rent’ the game. It is not nor has it ever been free. Additionally microsoft pays the developer a lump sum of money up front for the license to put it on game pass. If they were losing money on the deal they wouldn’t have made the deal multiple years in a row. Even Phil Spencer has mentioned multiple times now that he was actually shocked by the amount of people that end up buying game pass games once they leave the rotation. Again game pass does not nor has it ever given away any games for free
If you think the lump sum they paid equals the amount they can get per copy at $100 per game then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you. From what I understand they pay $2.5 million to developers which is 25,000 copies of their $100 version or slightly less than 36,000 of their $70 version.
Interesting that you know what Microsoft is paying , since that information has never been disclosed to the public. Again game pass is a subscription service , players are leasing the rights to the game. Players are leasing these rights even if they have never downloaded the game. Also just an fyi , the upper tier higher priced versions of these games are sold far less than the regular variants. The only number that has ever been discussed is that Microsoft paid out over 2.5 BILLION dollars to developers. Again BILLION. That works out to 850k per game , assuming all games ever listed in game pass are 100% equal which we all know isn’t.
Spencer hasn’t given specifics but they at one point did say some developers get a lump sum , sales and usage payments. I imagine those deals are reserved for AAA titles that come to game pass. Since you’d like to use speculation to support your completely off base assessment of free vs leasing I’ll go ahead and speculate too and just say that SDS is one of those developers
I just knew that’s what they paid for Ark Survivor Evolved which is about 16 million times more popular than MLB The Show. I threw them a bone that they’d pay them the same amount of money.
Microsoft is also funding wildcard in ark 2 and still funding the remastered OG ark. I’m sure that netted them a hefty duscount
