No defensive shifts next year
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@Bearsfan217_XBL said in No defensive shifts next year:
New rule. Good for the game of baseball imo, but part of me wonders why hitters couldnt just adjust and learn to hit. Dunno if it will have any affect on mlbts24
They haven’t implemented the universal DH so probably not, I expect to be lining out into the shift with Griffey for the next decade.
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There will still be shifts. The rule just states you have to have two infielders on either side of second base, so you will have SS playing just to the third base side of 2nd in stead of directly behind it and 3B will play in the SS area . I don’t know why hitters don’t bunt against it more.
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The way pitchers are today is why the hitters couldn't adjust and go the other way. When it was regular to take the ball the other way Pitchers weren't throwing 100 mph sinkers on the hands. It was mostly about control. Shifts also used to exclusively used on lefty power hitters(Dunn, Travis Hafner, Big Papi, Thome etc.) shifts these days are used on every hitter in baseball. No shifting still isn't going to effect guys like Gallo much because he doesn't put the ball on the Ground. Singles up the middle are almost non existent anymore. That's mostly what this is about
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I’ve seen Yordan bunt against the shift. Or slap the ball down the third base line. It can be done.
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Terrible change. Absolutely hate it.
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They dont try to bunt because they arent trying to hit grounders they are trying for liners in the gap or moonshots.
i used to be of the same mind, but it was explained - if the hitter changes his approach to do it the defense wins, from these power guys that used to be the original shifted the defense would take singles all day over the damage the hitter could potentially do -
Love it. I'm old school. I miss when math didn’t radically change watching a baseball game and deromanticize reading about it. I do think it's lame that players couldn't figure out how to hit against it but if the pitcher has to stay on the mound, why can everyone else go anywhere they want? I actually just thought of that so if there's an obvious answer....just humor me.
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@Ericulous1_PSN said in No defensive shifts next year:
Love it. I'm old school. I miss when math didn’t radically change watching a baseball game and deromanticize reading about it. I do think it's lame that players couldn't figure out how to hit against it but if the pitcher has to stay on the mound, why can everyone else go anywhere they want? I actually just thought of that so if there's an obvious answer....just humor me.
All I could think of after reading this was about a pitcher trying to pitch from either first or third base and how ridiculous that would be haha.
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Batting averages may be a thing again.
I mean, it's smart to shift to a pull hitters tendencies, but it will be good to see grounders up the middle matter again. -
@JEEZY-E_MLBTS said in No defensive shifts next year:
@Bearsfan217_XBL said in No defensive shifts next year:
New rule. Good for the game of baseball imo, but part of me wonders why hitters couldnt just adjust and learn to hit. Dunno if it will have any affect on mlbts24
They haven’t implemented the universal DH so probably not, I expect to be lining out into the shift with Griffey for the next decade.
You could be right but the DH was not a sure thing until Feb last year which is very late in the Development cycle. There is much more lead time with this rule change for them to hopefully get it in.
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Does anyone know the penalty if a team does shift before the ball is hit or if the pitcher lets the clock expire?
Are we going to start seeing yellow flags and whistles at baseball games now?
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@Ericulous1_PSN said in No defensive shifts next year:
Love it. I'm old school. I miss when math didn’t radically change watching a baseball game and deromanticize reading about it. I do think it's lame that players couldn't figure out how to hit against it but if the pitcher has to stay on the mound, why can everyone else go anywhere they want? I actually just thought of that so if there's an obvious answer....just humor me.
Old school? The shift has been around since the '20s (1920s). It didn't stop Ted Williams when they shifted on him.
I agree players should learn to bunt if the shift is deployed. That's how you stop it.
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@PAinPA_PSN said in No defensive shifts next year:
They dont try to bunt because they arent trying to hit grounders they are trying for liners in the gap or moonshots.
i used to be of the same mind, but it was explained - if the hitter changes his approach to do it the defense wins, from these power guys that used to be the original shifted the defense would take singles all day over the damage the hitter could potentially doI miss small-ball.
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Go watch the 1976 ASG on youtube.
The 1st inning is over in like 7 pitchesJoe Morgan swings at 1st pitch.
Game had flow.
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@the_dragon1912 said in No defensive shifts next year:
The way pitchers are today is why the hitters couldn't adjust and go the other way. When it was regular to take the ball the other way Pitchers weren't throwing 100 mph sinkers on the hands. It was mostly about control. Shifts also used to exclusively used on lefty power hitters(Dunn, Travis Hafner, Big Papi, Thome etc.) shifts these days are used on every hitter in baseball. No shifting still isn't going to effect guys like Gallo much because he doesn't put the ball on the Ground. Singles up the middle are almost non existent anymore. That's mostly what this is about
This is how I see it as well
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@Blind_Bleeder said in No defensive shifts next year:
@Ericulous1_PSN said in No defensive shifts next year:
Love it. I'm old school. I miss when math didn’t radically change watching a baseball game and deromanticize reading about it. I do think it's lame that players couldn't figure out how to hit against it but if the pitcher has to stay on the mound, why can everyone else go anywhere they want? I actually just thought of that so if there's an obvious answer....just humor me.
Old school? The shift has been around since the '20s (1920s). It didn't stop Ted Williams when they shifted on him.
I agree players should learn to bunt if the shift is deployed. That's how you stop it.
Oh I know, I was more referring to the advent of analytics and how it created the universal shift for every hitter. I know it's been around for many years but only for the select great power lefties. Not to the point where a player has to check his chart every AB to determine his place on the field.
I guess I'm not that old school as I was born in the 80s but I prefer baseball to be a thing of beauty and to read about its rich history, not about launch angle, exit velo and spin rate. If I wanted to study physics and mathematics I would. When I read a baseball article now I rarely make it past the second paragraph as my head starts spinning with all the crazy equations and mathematical statistics. They have completely deromanticized the game.
Of course Ted Williams beat the shift he was Ted Williams. And for players like Gwynn, Ichiro, Boggs and Brett there probably wouldn't be a shift. This brings up another point. I miss batting averages meaning something. I'm sure you know this but many don't...the last person to hit over .350 was Josh Hamilton 12 years ago. 12 years ago!!!!!!!!! Tony Gwynn did it 7 times. I say adios to the shift.
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@Ericulous1_PSN said in No defensive shifts next year:
@Blind_Bleeder said in No defensive shifts next year:
@Ericulous1_PSN said in No defensive shifts next year:
Love it. I'm old school. I miss when math didn’t radically change watching a baseball game and deromanticize reading about it. I do think it's lame that players couldn't figure out how to hit against it but if the pitcher has to stay on the mound, why can everyone else go anywhere they want? I actually just thought of that so if there's an obvious answer....just humor me.
Old school? The shift has been around since the '20s (1920s). It didn't stop Ted Williams when they shifted on him.
I agree players should learn to bunt if the shift is deployed. That's how you stop it.
Oh I know, I was more referring to the advent of analytics and how it created the universal shift for every hitter. I know it's been around for many years but only for the select great power lefties. Not to the point where a player has to check his chart every AB to determine his place on the field.
I guess I'm not that old school as I was born in the 80s but I prefer baseball to be a thing of beauty and to read about its rich history, not about launch angle, exit velo and spin rate. If I wanted to study physics and mathematics I would. When I read a baseball article now I rarely make it past the second paragraph as my head starts spinning with all the crazy equations and mathematical statistics. They have completely deromanticized the game.
Of course Ted Williams beat the shift he was Ted Williams. And for players like Gwynn, Ichiro, Boggs and Brett there probably wouldn't be a shift. This brings up another point. I miss batting averages meaning something. I'm sure you know this but many don't...the last person to hit over .350 was Josh Hamilton 12 years ago. 12 years ago!!!!!!!!! Tony Gwynn did it 7 times. I say adios to the shift.
The history of baseball. Yes. Always evolving. I love the Ken Burns series, as do most true baseball fans.
I guess I'm the old-school guy. I love the suicide squeeze. The sac bunt. The Texas leaguer. Guys that could hit around the defense. Those days have been gone for a while. Yes, I miss small-ball.
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@the_dragon1912 said in No defensive shifts next year:
The way pitchers are today is why the hitters couldn't adjust and go the other way. When it was regular to take the ball the other way Pitchers weren't throwing 100 mph sinkers on the hands. It was mostly about control. Shifts also used to exclusively used on lefty power hitters(Dunn, Travis Hafner, Big Papi, Thome etc.) shifts these days are used on every hitter in baseball. No shifting still isn't going to effect guys like Gallo much because he doesn't put the ball on the Ground. Singles up the middle are almost non existent anymore. That's mostly what this is about
This guy gets it. The game has changed with analytics and the shift. The ground ball has been killed by it, this created launch angle and the strike out extravaganza we see.
If the best hitters can’t go the other way on 98 in on your hands, that says something. But us armchair baseball fans love to explain how to beat the shift ( yet the best managers in the bigs aren’t as smart as us, right??)
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Ted Williams might have hit .506 instead of .406 if there was no shift.
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@Blind_Bleeder said in No defensive shifts next year:
@Ericulous1_PSN said in No defensive shifts next year:
@Blind_Bleeder said in No defensive shifts next year:
@Ericulous1_PSN said in No defensive shifts next year:
Love it. I'm old school. I miss when math didn’t radically change watching a baseball game and deromanticize reading about it. I do think it's lame that players couldn't figure out how to hit against it but if the pitcher has to stay on the mound, why can everyone else go anywhere they want? I actually just thought of that so if there's an obvious answer....just humor me.
Old school? The shift has been around since the '20s (1920s). It didn't stop Ted Williams when they shifted on him.
I agree players should learn to bunt if the shift is deployed. That's how you stop it.
Oh I know, I was more referring to the advent of analytics and how it created the universal shift for every hitter. I know it's been around for many years but only for the select great power lefties. Not to the point where a player has to check his chart every AB to determine his place on the field.
I guess I'm not that old school as I was born in the 80s but I prefer baseball to be a thing of beauty and to read about its rich history, not about launch angle, exit velo and spin rate. If I wanted to study physics and mathematics I would. When I read a baseball article now I rarely make it past the second paragraph as my head starts spinning with all the crazy equations and mathematical statistics. They have completely deromanticized the game.
Of course Ted Williams beat the shift he was Ted Williams. And for players like Gwynn, Ichiro, Boggs and Brett there probably wouldn't be a shift. This brings up another point. I miss batting averages meaning something. I'm sure you know this but many don't...the last person to hit over .350 was Josh Hamilton 12 years ago. 12 years ago!!!!!!!!! Tony Gwynn did it 7 times. I say adios to the shift.
The history of baseball. Yes. Always evolving. I love the Ken Burns series, as do most true baseball fans.
I guess I'm the old-school guy. I love the suicide squeeze. The sac bunt. The Texas leaguer. Guys that could hit around the defense. Those days have been gone for a while. Yes, I miss small-ball.
Oh I loooooove small ball. Im an NL kid through and through. I grew up listening to a Grandpa from Bedford Stuyvesant telling me stories of Honus Wagner, and Zack Wheat. The Bums: Jackie, Gil, The Duke Pee Wee and Campanella. The Gashouse Gang and Paige and Feller's barnstorming matchups. I'm reading a great book about the 1948 Indians....I love baseball history.
