Universal pitch speeds
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@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
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@the_dragon1912 said in Universal pitch speeds:
100% agree. And as you said what speed its set at isn't really important. They can tinker and test that to find the perfect speed that appeals to players of all skill levels
That speed doesn't exist, no way to please everybody.
But how do you know? People will only oppose because they prefer what they're used to, they're afraid to try new things. Imagine a top 20 player opposing the idea of universal pitch speeds of All-Star as we know it now, but this player only takes into account the speeds with the giant PCI as we know it now. There's no way for anyone to accurately assess the speeds when the new PCI size and area of solid contact is implemented. That's when stick skills will really start to matter.
Also, imagine how more dominant pitchers like Maddux will be. The pitch speeds won't be as fast, but on HOF and Legend your margin of error with the PCI will be so tiny, it will be a tremendous challenge. I believe THAT should be the challenge in this game, not the ability to swing asap gambling fastball and pull a homer on a non-PCI early swing.
The biggest crutch in this game that keeps average players competing is the outlier fastball. It requires absolutely no skill. All you have to do is dot with it and throw off speed and you will get people to miss. They need to bring back the art of pitching so guys like Maddux are relevant. Even Pedro, who was totally dominant in his prime, is easy to hit because he doesn’t have the warping pitch speeds that Degrom, Verlander, have. One other thing-because of this, it limits variety in RS and what pitchers people use. Nobody is trotting out guys like Wheeler or Cole which totally should be useable competitively.
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@mrwonderful95 said in Universal pitch speeds:
@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
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@the_dragon1912 said in Universal pitch speeds:
100% agree. And as you said what speed its set at isn't really important. They can tinker and test that to find the perfect speed that appeals to players of all skill levels
That speed doesn't exist, no way to please everybody.
But how do you know? People will only oppose because they prefer what they're used to, they're afraid to try new things. Imagine a top 20 player opposing the idea of universal pitch speeds of All-Star as we know it now, but this player only takes into account the speeds with the giant PCI as we know it now. There's no way for anyone to accurately assess the speeds when the new PCI size and area of solid contact is implemented. That's when stick skills will really start to matter.
Also, imagine how more dominant pitchers like Maddux will be. The pitch speeds won't be as fast, but on HOF and Legend your margin of error with the PCI will be so tiny, it will be a tremendous challenge. I believe THAT should be the challenge in this game, not the ability to swing asap gambling fastball and pull a homer on a non-PCI early swing.
The biggest crutch in this game that keeps average players competing is the outlier fastball. It requires absolutely no skill. All you have to do is dot with it and throw off speed and you will get people to miss. They need to bring back the art of pitching so guys like Maddux are relevant. Even Pedro, who was totally dominant in his prime, is easy to hit because he doesn’t have the warping pitch speeds that Degrom, Verlander, have. One other thing-because of this, it limits variety in RS and what pitchers people use. Nobody is trotting out guys like Wheeler or Cole which totally should be useable competitively.
I agree, this is another reason why this game would benefit from universal pitch speeds.
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@mrwonderful95 said in Universal pitch speeds:
@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@eatyum_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@the_dragon1912 said in Universal pitch speeds:
100% agree. And as you said what speed its set at isn't really important. They can tinker and test that to find the perfect speed that appeals to players of all skill levels
That speed doesn't exist, no way to please everybody.
But how do you know? People will only oppose because they prefer what they're used to, they're afraid to try new things. Imagine a top 20 player opposing the idea of universal pitch speeds of All-Star as we know it now, but this player only takes into account the speeds with the giant PCI as we know it now. There's no way for anyone to accurately assess the speeds when the new PCI size and area of solid contact is implemented. That's when stick skills will really start to matter.
Also, imagine how more dominant pitchers like Maddux will be. The pitch speeds won't be as fast, but on HOF and Legend your margin of error with the PCI will be so tiny, it will be a tremendous challenge. I believe THAT should be the challenge in this game, not the ability to swing asap gambling fastball and pull a homer on a non-PCI early swing.
The biggest crutch in this game that keeps average players competing is the outlier fastball. It requires absolutely no skill. All you have to do is dot with it and throw off speed and you will get people to miss. They need to bring back the art of pitching so guys like Maddux are relevant. Even Pedro, who was totally dominant in his prime, is easy to hit because he doesn’t have the warping pitch speeds that Degrom, Verlander, have. One other thing-because of this, it limits variety in RS and what pitchers people use. Nobody is trotting out guys like Wheeler or Cole which totally should be useable competitively.
Cole was never usable even before outlier
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The game definitely needs universal speeds. Make the PCI adjust, not the pitching itself. If you were to go from AA to the MLB, you're still gonna face people throwing 96-100.
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@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
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@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@eatyum_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@the_dragon1912 said in Universal pitch speeds:
100% agree. And as you said what speed its set at isn't really important. They can tinker and test that to find the perfect speed that appeals to players of all skill levels
That speed doesn't exist, no way to please everybody.
But how do you know? People will only oppose because they prefer what they're used to, they're afraid to try new things. Imagine a top 20 player opposing the idea of universal pitch speeds of All-Star as we know it now, but this player only takes into account the speeds with the giant PCI as we know it now. There's no way for anyone to accurately assess the speeds when the new PCI size and area of solid contact is implemented. That's when stick skills will really start to matter.
Also, imagine how more dominant pitchers like Maddux will be. The pitch speeds won't be as fast, but on HOF and Legend your margin of error with the PCI will be so tiny, it will be a tremendous challenge. I believe THAT should be the challenge in this game, not the ability to swing asap gambling fastball and pull a homer on a non-PCI early swing.
As a general rule, it's impossible to please everybody, no matter what that thing is. That is of course does not mean nothing should ever be done, but there isn't a "perfect' speed.
Well I agree there is no such thing as perfection, but I'm not arguing for perfection. I'm arguing for change.
When you play an event on HOF the pitching speed feels diff than RS HOF… I think the pitching speed on HOF events is the perfect universal pitching speed
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@toast2thegodz_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
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@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@eatyum_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@the_dragon1912 said in Universal pitch speeds:
100% agree. And as you said what speed its set at isn't really important. They can tinker and test that to find the perfect speed that appeals to players of all skill levels
That speed doesn't exist, no way to please everybody.
But how do you know? People will only oppose because they prefer what they're used to, they're afraid to try new things. Imagine a top 20 player opposing the idea of universal pitch speeds of All-Star as we know it now, but this player only takes into account the speeds with the giant PCI as we know it now. There's no way for anyone to accurately assess the speeds when the new PCI size and area of solid contact is implemented. That's when stick skills will really start to matter.
Also, imagine how more dominant pitchers like Maddux will be. The pitch speeds won't be as fast, but on HOF and Legend your margin of error with the PCI will be so tiny, it will be a tremendous challenge. I believe THAT should be the challenge in this game, not the ability to swing asap gambling fastball and pull a homer on a non-PCI early swing.
As a general rule, it's impossible to please everybody, no matter what that thing is. That is of course does not mean nothing should ever be done, but there isn't a "perfect' speed.
Well I agree there is no such thing as perfection, but I'm not arguing for perfection. I'm arguing for change.
When you play an event on HOF the pitching speed feels diff than RE HOF… I think the pitching speed on HOF events is the perfect universal pitching speed
I think it's hard to say what would be the desired pitch speed, because we haven't seen small PCI's since forever. Making that the most important aspect of hitting, I don't think you wanna make pitches too fast especially if they're gonna continue with outlier. Or you'd get very low scoring games all the time and that will be frustrating as well. That's why I said I'm not debating the actual pitch speeds, they need to test and test and test again to find that sweet spot.
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Thatnis like trying to convince Madden developers to not increase the gameplay speed on higher difficulties. My opinion All-Madden is equivalent to Legend in which both aren’t realistic but for die hard players.
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@omegaeod-_mlbts said in Universal pitch speeds:
Thatnis like trying to convince Madden developers to not increase the gameplay speed on higher difficulties. My opinion All-Madden is equivalent to Legend in which both aren’t realistic but for die hard players.
Haven't played Madden in years so I don't really know, but I know the devs are unlikely to implement my suggestion. But I do truly feel like this would change the game for the better across the board. Not just from a player's perspective, but also for the usage of cards like I said before. Control/break artists would be very usable.
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@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@toast2thegodz_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
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@eatyum_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@eatyum_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@the_dragon1912 said in Universal pitch speeds:
100% agree. And as you said what speed its set at isn't really important. They can tinker and test that to find the perfect speed that appeals to players of all skill levels
That speed doesn't exist, no way to please everybody.
But how do you know? People will only oppose because they prefer what they're used to, they're afraid to try new things. Imagine a top 20 player opposing the idea of universal pitch speeds of All-Star as we know it now, but this player only takes into account the speeds with the giant PCI as we know it now. There's no way for anyone to accurately assess the speeds when the new PCI size and area of solid contact is implemented. That's when stick skills will really start to matter.
Also, imagine how more dominant pitchers like Maddux will be. The pitch speeds won't be as fast, but on HOF and Legend your margin of error with the PCI will be so tiny, it will be a tremendous challenge. I believe THAT should be the challenge in this game, not the ability to swing asap gambling fastball and pull a homer on a non-PCI early swing.
As a general rule, it's impossible to please everybody, no matter what that thing is. That is of course does not mean nothing should ever be done, but there isn't a "perfect' speed.
Well I agree there is no such thing as perfection, but I'm not arguing for perfection. I'm arguing for change.
When you play an event on HOF the pitching speed feels diff than RE HOF… I think the pitching speed on HOF events is the perfect universal pitching speed
I think it's hard to say what would be the desired pitch speed, because we haven't seen small PCI's since forever. Making that the most important aspect of hitting, I don't think you wanna make pitches too fast especially if they're gonna continue with outlier. Or you'd get very low scoring games all the time and that will be frustrating as well. That's why I said I'm not debating the actual pitch speeds, they need to test and test and test again to find that sweet spot.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't 16 pretty much the same pitch speeds with different size PCI's for each level?. I really think they should get rid of the outer PCI that let's you foul off balls you should never reach. Get rid of outlier completely simply because yeah there are plenty of guys that throw 100 but do they do it for 9 innings? Just thinking out loud.
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@texas10pt_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@toast2thegodz_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
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@eatyum_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@eatyum_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@the_dragon1912 said in Universal pitch speeds:
100% agree. And as you said what speed its set at isn't really important. They can tinker and test that to find the perfect speed that appeals to players of all skill levels
That speed doesn't exist, no way to please everybody.
But how do you know? People will only oppose because they prefer what they're used to, they're afraid to try new things. Imagine a top 20 player opposing the idea of universal pitch speeds of All-Star as we know it now, but this player only takes into account the speeds with the giant PCI as we know it now. There's no way for anyone to accurately assess the speeds when the new PCI size and area of solid contact is implemented. That's when stick skills will really start to matter.
Also, imagine how more dominant pitchers like Maddux will be. The pitch speeds won't be as fast, but on HOF and Legend your margin of error with the PCI will be so tiny, it will be a tremendous challenge. I believe THAT should be the challenge in this game, not the ability to swing asap gambling fastball and pull a homer on a non-PCI early swing.
As a general rule, it's impossible to please everybody, no matter what that thing is. That is of course does not mean nothing should ever be done, but there isn't a "perfect' speed.
Well I agree there is no such thing as perfection, but I'm not arguing for perfection. I'm arguing for change.
When you play an event on HOF the pitching speed feels diff than RE HOF… I think the pitching speed on HOF events is the perfect universal pitching speed
I think it's hard to say what would be the desired pitch speed, because we haven't seen small PCI's since forever. Making that the most important aspect of hitting, I don't think you wanna make pitches too fast especially if they're gonna continue with outlier. Or you'd get very low scoring games all the time and that will be frustrating as well. That's why I said I'm not debating the actual pitch speeds, they need to test and test and test again to find that sweet spot.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't 16 pretty much the same pitch speeds with different size PCI's for each level?. I really think they should get rid of the outer PCI that let's you foul off balls you should never reach. Get rid of outlier completely simply because yeah there are plenty of guys that throw 100 but do they do it for 9 innings? Just thinking out loud.
Yes it was, 17 too to some extent. The buckshot in the feedback was extremely small. But both those games did have different pitch speeds.
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I agree with everyone on this, but I think you are right about this not being a likely change.
The game plays the way it does presumably because that is how it was intended to play. Any change to put more emphasis on user input seems to get heavily watered down and countered in the name of “gameplay balance” or whatever we want to call it.
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When did they start changing pitch speeds? I started playing online in 18 and I remember the pitch speeds were generally slower but I don’t recall if they changed as you moved up. I know 19 changed similar to how it is now but I thought 18 was universal.
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@durhambulls71 said in Universal pitch speeds:
When did they start changing pitch speeds? I started playing online in 18 and I remember the pitch speeds were generally slower but I don’t recall if they changed as you moved up. I know 19 changed similar to how it is now but I thought 18 was universal.
Pitch speeds have always been faster on the higher difficulties, it's just that in 18 the pitch speeds in general were kinda slow which many people hated because the PCI also covered like half of the plate. Which made it extremely hard to get people out and stick skills didn't really matter all that much in that game.
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Good start would be to get rid of Outlier. I don't know, why it's in the game at all, it's so unrealistic and total pain in the a..
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@foresticek_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
Good start would be to get rid of Outlier. I don't know, why it's in the game at all, it's so unrealistic and total pain in the a..
I actually agree. I liked it initially but I changed my mind. To me it's not so much that I can't hit the 102, but if you sit on that 102 in a 2 strike count and you get a good tunneled offspeed pitch, you're gonna be defenseless a lot of the times on the higher difficulties. Not only that, but I've pitched gems myself with DeGrom/Verlander where I can just pinpoint 102 after 102 for 9 innings straight. That is indeed unrealistic.
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@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@durhambulls71 said in Universal pitch speeds:
When did they start changing pitch speeds? I started playing online in 18 and I remember the pitch speeds were generally slower but I don’t recall if they changed as you moved up. I know 19 changed similar to how it is now but I thought 18 was universal.
Pitch speeds have always been faster on the higher difficulties, it's just that in 18 the pitch speeds in general were kinda slow which many people hated because the PCI also covered like half of the plate. Which made it extremely hard to get people out and stick skills didn't really matter all that much in that game.
It wasn't until 19 where pitch speeds started to diffrentiate.
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@ikasnu_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@durhambulls71 said in Universal pitch speeds:
When did they start changing pitch speeds? I started playing online in 18 and I remember the pitch speeds were generally slower but I don’t recall if they changed as you moved up. I know 19 changed similar to how it is now but I thought 18 was universal.
Pitch speeds have always been faster on the higher difficulties, it's just that in 18 the pitch speeds in general were kinda slow which many people hated because the PCI also covered like half of the plate. Which made it extremely hard to get people out and stick skills didn't really matter all that much in that game.
It wasn't until 19 where pitch speeds started to diffrentiate.
What? I don't think that's accurate. I've been playing since 15 and as far as I know, pitch speeds went up and down depending on difficulty.
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But isn’t outlier the main reason that a lot of people quit playing online... That and Edward Cabrera’s unrealistic outlier sinker... I’m down for universal pitch speeds with the pci getting smaller, I’d love an indicator with what level your playing on, like a banner on the scoreboard like the did with World Series... Outlier needs to be reworked.
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@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@ikasnu_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@durhambulls71 said in Universal pitch speeds:
When did they start changing pitch speeds? I started playing online in 18 and I remember the pitch speeds were generally slower but I don’t recall if they changed as you moved up. I know 19 changed similar to how it is now but I thought 18 was universal.
Pitch speeds have always been faster on the higher difficulties, it's just that in 18 the pitch speeds in general were kinda slow which many people hated because the PCI also covered like half of the plate. Which made it extremely hard to get people out and stick skills didn't really matter all that much in that game.
It wasn't until 19 where pitch speeds started to diffrentiate.
What? I don't think that's accurate. I've been playing since 15 and as far as I know, pitch speeds went up and down depending on difficulty.
Also playing since 15, I remember pitch speeds being the same through and through, only the PCI changed.
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@ikasnu_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@ikasnu_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@raesone_psn said in Universal pitch speeds:
@durhambulls71 said in Universal pitch speeds:
When did they start changing pitch speeds? I started playing online in 18 and I remember the pitch speeds were generally slower but I don’t recall if they changed as you moved up. I know 19 changed similar to how it is now but I thought 18 was universal.
Pitch speeds have always been faster on the higher difficulties, it's just that in 18 the pitch speeds in general were kinda slow which many people hated because the PCI also covered like half of the plate. Which made it extremely hard to get people out and stick skills didn't really matter all that much in that game.
It wasn't until 19 where pitch speeds started to diffrentiate.
What? I don't think that's accurate. I've been playing since 15 and as far as I know, pitch speeds went up and down depending on difficulty.
Also playing since 15, I remember pitch speeds being the same through and through, only the PCI changed.
Well it has been a while, but as I remember it they both changed throughout the difficulties.
