99 Posey Incoming
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Another fact Catchers make up less than 6 percent of HOF players. That is another thing going against Mauer, Posey and Molina when He gets there.
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I only have 1 thing to say. The BBWAA should have never been given the ability to elect HOF'ers. It should have always been by a retired players committee. And before you say "they can be elected by retired players committee", I mean there should only be one committee, not 4, that do selections.
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I don’t think 3 catchers get into the hall solely going off of what we’ve already have seen from voters. At least not through the initial hall of fame selection.
Since I brought Mauer up and added him to the mix let me throw another wrench in this clog. What about Salvator Perez? In the prime of his career right now. More HR’s than any of these guys. Defensively considered one of the best playing right now. Tons of Gold Gloves. If he puts up a few more solid years he’ll surpass Yadi in WAR and quite possibly all three.
I know it’s early but what are his chances? He just hit his 10 year mark. Wasn’t a regular starter until a few years into his major league career. So got a late start compared to some of these guys. I think he could easily slide into this conversation as well, in 3or 4 years.
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@quinnymcquinn said in 99 Posey Incoming:
I don’t think 3 catchers get into the hall solely going off of what we’ve already have seen from voters. At least not through the initial hall of fame selection.
Since I brought Mauer up and added him to the mix let me throw another wrench in this clog. What about Salvator Perez? In the prime of his career right now. More HR’s than any of these guys. Defensively considered one of the best playing right now. Tons of Gold Gloves. If he puts up a few more solid years he’ll surpass Yadi in WAR and quite possibly all three.
I know it’s early but what are his chances? He just hit his 10 year mark. Wasn’t a regular starter until a few years into his major league career. So got a late start compared to some of these guys. I think he could easily slide into this conversation as well, in 3or 4 years.
I agree, That He can get there, but we will see.
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@quinnymcquinn said in 99 Posey Incoming:
I don’t think 3 catchers get into the hall solely going off of what we’ve already have seen from voters. At least not through the initial hall of fame selection.
Since I brought Mauer up and added him to the mix let me throw another wrench in this clog. What about Salvator Perez? In the prime of his career right now. More HR’s than any of these guys. Defensively considered one of the best playing right now. Tons of Gold Gloves. If he puts up a few more solid years he’ll surpass Yadi in WAR and quite possibly all three.
I know it’s early but what are his chances? He just hit his 10 year mark. Wasn’t a regular starter until a few years into his major league career. So got a late start compared to some of these guys. I think he could easily slide into this conversation as well, in 3or 4 years.
I think Salvy has a chance for sure. Like you said, he'd need to put up another 3-4 really strong years or 5-6 good years. Obviously if he duplicates or comes close to his 2021 campaign twice more it might do the trick. The Gold Gloves, all star appearances and broken home run record are a great start.
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Ted Simmons was a better catcher than both of them, and it took him 30 years to get into the HOF. It's just really hard to get in as a catcher....But both are absolutely worthy.
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@lucas8181_psn said in 99 Posey Incoming:
Ted Simmons was a better catcher than both of them, and it took him 30 years to get into the HOF. It's just really hard to get in as a catcher....But both are absolutely worthy.
I alway wonder what was keeping voter from putting Simmons in
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I will say this. No matter your opinion on who deserves to get in the hall, this maybe the best objective thread of the year. Majorly basing this off of how civil everyone is being. No name calling or over the top condescension.
Way to stay on topic and do it with decorum.
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@quinnymcquinn said in 99 Posey Incoming:
I will say this. No matter your opinion on who deserves to get in the hall, this maybe the best objective thread of the year. Majorly basing this off of how civil everyone is being. No name calling or over the top condescension.
Way to stay on topic and do it with decorum.
Absolutely man. I like that everyone obviously has an opinion and I respect those who know more about analytics than I do. Well done all. Now what does everyone think of Austin Hedges getting in to the HOF...
I'll see myself out
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@quinnymcquinn said in 99 Posey Incoming:
I don’t think 3 catchers get into the hall solely going off of what we’ve already have seen from voters. At least not through the initial hall of fame selection.
Since I brought Mauer up and added him to the mix let me throw another wrench in this clog. What about Salvator Perez? In the prime of his career right now. More HR’s than any of these guys. Defensively considered one of the best playing right now. Tons of Gold Gloves. If he puts up a few more solid years he’ll surpass Yadi in WAR and quite possibly all three.
I know it’s early but what are his chances? He just hit his 10 year mark. Wasn’t a regular starter until a few years into his major league career. So got a late start compared to some of these guys. I think he could easily slide into this conversation as well, in 3or 4 years.
Perez is only at 15.2 fWAR through his age 31 season. He has no shot whatsoever of catching up to Posey, Molina, or Mauer. Career 103 wRC+, -13.2 Off, only 7.1 Def on Fangraphs. He’s been a fine player, but as a whole he really hasn’t been anything special, certainly not on the level of the other 3. I’m not trying to make royals fans mad or anything, but Perez is easily one of the most overrated players of the decade.
He was also the second-worst defensive catcher in baseball this year by Fangraphs’ Def, for whatever that’s worth. But he had the best offensive season of his career too lol. He’s just never had a season where he’s good at both.
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What does Baseball Reference use for their WAR because they have him listed at 29.6.
Upon further review, I agree he is much further off then I thought. He'd have to go back to winning gold gloves and have a few monster seasons like this one.
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