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@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
I think the argument here is they are trying to figure out who the next Trout is going to be. Go ahead battle it out yea it might be Tatis or Maybe Gurerro Jr. could be Acuna. Point is everyone is compared to Trout because his is the best overall athlete in baseball. I actually think Ohtani is better than all of them but no one introduced him into the conversation.
He is not the best overall athlete. Heck he isn't even close to that. I can see you arguing best overall player but he certainly isn't the most athletic.
Sorry yes should have said Baseball Athlete as in athletic skills used for baseball (strength speed coordination drive)
I do get what you are saying. You are saying his skill set is the best. I don't agree with that sediment but I can see why people think that. He isn't really a 5 tool baseball player in my opinion. I don't think he has to be to be the best overall player tho.
Also Trout is just past his prime IMO so he will start to decline and someone will overtake him soon. But for the last 5 years he has been the best and he owns the crown until someone takes it from him.
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@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
I think the argument here is they are trying to figure out who the next Trout is going to be. Go ahead battle it out yea it might be Tatis or Maybe Gurerro Jr. could be Acuna. Point is everyone is compared to Trout because his is the best overall athlete in baseball. I actually think Ohtani is better than all of them but no one introduced him into the conversation.
He is not the best overall athlete. Heck he isn't even close to that. I can see you arguing best overall player but he certainly isn't the most athletic.
Sorry yes should have said Baseball Athlete as in athletic skills used for baseball (strength speed coordination drive)
I do get what you are saying. You are saying his skill set is the best. I don't agree with that sediment but I can see why people think that. He isn't really a 5 tool baseball player in my opinion. I don't think he has to be to be the best overall player tho.
Also Trout is just past his prime IMO so he will start to decline and someone will overtake him soon. But for the last 5 years he has been the best and he owns the crown until someone takes it from him.
I think they already have. I just don't know which one it is. I think because he was so good for so long that his body my start breaking down. I think he has 3 or 4 more good prime years left tho.
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they want to milk those rookie callups
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@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
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@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
For what it's worth he was 5th in HR with 45 and was 1,2,2 in OPB, Slg % and OPS respectively. Also had a near 1:1 K:BB ratio with far more walks and fewer Ks than most of the guys in the top 10 of the categories you named. Fewer games and ABs than those guys as well, but that could also be factored as a negative. All in all I would say he had a very good year.
ETA: the number of games is what factors more into accumulation stats that you named like hits, HRs, etc.... on a per AB basis I'm not sure there's very many guys in the league I'd rather have than Trout... just gotta stay healthy.
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@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
I think the argument here is they are trying to figure out who the next Trout is going to be. Go ahead battle it out yea it might be Tatis or Maybe Gurerro Jr. could be Acuna. Point is everyone is compared to Trout because his is the best overall athlete in baseball. I actually think Ohtani is better than all of them but no one introduced him into the conversation.
He is not the best overall athlete. Heck he isn't even close to that. I can see you arguing best overall player but he certainly isn't the most athletic.
Sorry yes should have said Baseball Athlete as in athletic skills used for baseball (strength speed coordination drive)
I do get what you are saying. You are saying his skill set is the best. I don't agree with that sediment but I can see why people think that. He isn't really a 5 tool baseball player in my opinion. I don't think he has to be to be the best overall player tho.
Also Trout is just past his prime IMO so he will start to decline and someone will overtake him soon. But for the last 5 years he has been the best and he owns the crown until someone takes it from him.
I think they already have. I just don't know which one it is. I think because he was so good for so long that his body my start breaking down. I think he has 3 or 4 more good prime years left tho.
This is a good problem for baseball good for the fans and good for the game.
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@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
For what it's worth he was 5th in HR with 45 and was 1,2,2 in OPB, Slg % and OPS respectively. Also had a near 1:1 K:BB ratio with far more walks and fewer Ks than most of the guys in the top 10 of the categories you named. Fewer games and ABs than those guys as well, but that could also be factored as a negative. All in all I would say he had a very good year.
ETA: the number of games is what factors more into accumulation stats that you named like hits, HRs, etc.... on a per AB basis I'm not sure there's very many guys in the league I'd rather have than Trout... just gotta stay healthy.
He walks which helps his sabermetric numbers like ops. His eye is elite.
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@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
For what it's worth he was 5th in HR with 45 and was 1,2,2 in OPB, Slg % and OPS respectively. Also had a near 1:1 K:BB ratio with far more walks and fewer Ks than most of the guys in the top 10 of the categories you named. Fewer games and ABs than those guys as well, but that could also be factored as a negative. All in all I would say he had a very good year.
ETA: the number of games is what factors more into accumulation stats that you named like hits, HRs, etc.... on a per AB basis I'm not sure there's very many guys in the league I'd rather have than Trout... just gotta stay healthy.
He walks which helps his sabermetric numbers like ops. His eye is elite.
I never understood why people used to downplay walks so much. Mickey Morandini slaps a single with no one on base, and that's somehow inherently better than drawing a walk. The result is the exact same.
So he walks a lot.
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@poksey_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
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@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
For what it's worth he was 5th in HR with 45 and was 1,2,2 in OPB, Slg % and OPS respectively. Also had a near 1:1 K:BB ratio with far more walks and fewer Ks than most of the guys in the top 10 of the categories you named. Fewer games and ABs than those guys as well, but that could also be factored as a negative. All in all I would say he had a very good year.
ETA: the number of games is what factors more into accumulation stats that you named like hits, HRs, etc.... on a per AB basis I'm not sure there's very many guys in the league I'd rather have than Trout... just gotta stay healthy.
He walks which helps his sabermetric numbers like ops. His eye is elite.
I never understood why people used to downplay walks so much. Mickey Morandini slaps a single with no one on base, and that's somehow inherently better than drawing a walk. The result is the exact same.
So he walks a lot.
He gets on base a lot. Do I care if it is a walk or a hit?100%. OPS isn't even a sabermetrics statistic either so it just seems like a Trout hater. Traditional stat guys can hate on WAR all they want, but Trout is 8th all time in MLB in OPS. 11th with Negro leagues factored in.
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I don’t get the “WAR doesn’t matter crowd”. I’m not saying it is a perfect measure of all things, but it is a measure of total value. A great defensive CF is more valuable than a great defensive 1B. War includes that. When you start talking about slash lines, etc and Trout you kind of miss the point. Trout isn’t the best player because of any one number. He’s the best player because he plays a premium defensive position, great defense (despite a weak arm), walks, hits for a good avg, and has power. Everyone else discussed here has a weakness he doesn’t. Tatis commits an insane number of errors, Acuna strikes out a ton and doesn’t walk as much. Both guys steal way more bases, but SB are not actually that valuable. Will trout be the best player in baseball in 2-3 years? Probably not. But if you look at the actual value of what he does in baseball compared to the actual value of others, he’s unquestionably the best still and has been since his age 21 season.
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I'm not even trying to say Trout isn't a great player.... he is definitely a great player and should be considered one of the top 5 best all around players in baseball right now. My argument is against the comment saying the only superstars in the game are 5 guys and they should be the only rare diamonds in LS. My beef with that is Trout has not been one of the best 5 guys in baseball for the last two seasons because he hasn't been on the field much and when he is, he has good numbers but not dominating numbers. I think if you were considering LS cards... that should be the current performance series of players. It's not fair to make a player that isn't even playing right now or hasn't put up dominant numbers for two years the best card in the series of current performance and snub other players because there should be only a few diamonds in LS and not give guys that are playing great diamond upgrades. I have no issue with Trout having the top card in LS, but I have an issue with leaving others out. They should give lower base diamonds to start so the players on the field can surpass an injured player like Trout later in the year that are actually performing.
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@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
For what it's worth he was 5th in HR with 45 and was 1,2,2 in OPB, Slg % and OPS respectively. Also had a near 1:1 K:BB ratio with far more walks and fewer Ks than most of the guys in the top 10 of the categories you named. Fewer games and ABs than those guys as well, but that could also be factored as a negative. All in all I would say he had a very good year.
ETA: the number of games is what factors more into accumulation stats that you named like hits, HRs, etc.... on a per AB basis I'm not sure there's very many guys in the league I'd rather have than Trout... just gotta stay healthy.
The point is though if you were starting a franchise today and pick Trout... that's a risky pick because there are a half dozen guys that have similar offensive numbers to him that are durable and missed less games the last 5 years than Trout has missed in the last 2. No matter how great you are... it's useless if your not ever on the field. I guess I'm too much of a "what have you done lately" type person because I don't rank Trout as valuable as a lot of guys because he hasn't done much to help his team in almost 3 years now (2019 season)
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@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
For what it's worth he was 5th in HR with 45 and was 1,2,2 in OPB, Slg % and OPS respectively. Also had a near 1:1 K:BB ratio with far more walks and fewer Ks than most of the guys in the top 10 of the categories you named. Fewer games and ABs than those guys as well, but that could also be factored as a negative. All in all I would say he had a very good year.
ETA: the number of games is what factors more into accumulation stats that you named like hits, HRs, etc.... on a per AB basis I'm not sure there's very many guys in the league I'd rather have than Trout... just gotta stay healthy.
The point is though if you were starting a franchise today and pick Trout... that's a risky pick because there are a half dozen guys that have similar offensive numbers to him that are durable and missed less games the last 5 years than Trout has missed in the last 2. No matter how great you are... it's useless if your not ever on the field. I guess I'm too much of a "what have you done lately" type person because I don't rank Trout as valuable as a lot of guys because he hasn't done much to help his team in almost 3 years now (2019 season)
Sure I would rather start a franchise with a 22 year old superstar over a 29 year old superstar, but a good bit of your commentary on this thread has been suggesting that Trout is NOT a top 4-5 player and has not finished in the top 5 in ANY batting statistic in the last couple years which is just not true. That's all I was saying. I agree with you that his durability plays into his value, but my point is that when he is playing he is one of the very best in the game and has been since he started. I also probably agree that he might be a bit over-valued in the game as a live series card. I don't think he is over-rated, as I personally believe he is the best player in baseball when healthy. But I don't really understand why his LS is a 400k card. That I agree with.
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@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
For what it's worth he was 5th in HR with 45 and was 1,2,2 in OPB, Slg % and OPS respectively. Also had a near 1:1 K:BB ratio with far more walks and fewer Ks than most of the guys in the top 10 of the categories you named. Fewer games and ABs than those guys as well, but that could also be factored as a negative. All in all I would say he had a very good year.
ETA: the number of games is what factors more into accumulation stats that you named like hits, HRs, etc.... on a per AB basis I'm not sure there's very many guys in the league I'd rather have than Trout... just gotta stay healthy.
The point is though if you were starting a franchise today and pick Trout... that's a risky pick because there are a half dozen guys that have similar offensive numbers to him that are durable and missed less games the last 5 years than Trout has missed in the last 2. No matter how great you are... it's useless if your not ever on the field. I guess I'm too much of a "what have you done lately" type person because I don't rank Trout as valuable as a lot of guys because he hasn't done much to help his team in almost 3 years now (2019 season)
2019 was 2 seasons ago
Mike Trout was better than Acuna and Tatis in 2020 as well…
I know people are tired of Trout being #1 but it doesn’t change the fact that he is. Complete ignorance to suggest otherwise.
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@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
For what it's worth he was 5th in HR with 45 and was 1,2,2 in OPB, Slg % and OPS respectively. Also had a near 1:1 K:BB ratio with far more walks and fewer Ks than most of the guys in the top 10 of the categories you named. Fewer games and ABs than those guys as well, but that could also be factored as a negative. All in all I would say he had a very good year.
ETA: the number of games is what factors more into accumulation stats that you named like hits, HRs, etc.... on a per AB basis I'm not sure there's very many guys in the league I'd rather have than Trout... just gotta stay healthy.
The point is though if you were starting a franchise today and pick Trout... that's a risky pick because there are a half dozen guys that have similar offensive numbers to him that are durable and missed less games the last 5 years than Trout has missed in the last 2. No matter how great you are... it's useless if your not ever on the field. I guess I'm too much of a "what have you done lately" type person because I don't rank Trout as valuable as a lot of guys because he hasn't done much to help his team in almost 3 years now (2019 season)
Sure I would rather start a franchise with a 22 year old superstar over a 29 year old superstar, but a good bit of your commentary on this thread has been suggesting that Trout is NOT a top 4-5 player and has not finished in the top 5 in ANY batting statistic in the last couple years which is just not true. That's all I was saying. I agree with you that his durability plays into his value, but my point is that when he is playing he is one of the very best in the game and has been since he started. I also probably agree that he might be a bit over-valued in the game as a live series card. I don't think he is over-rated, as I personally believe he is the best player in baseball when healthy. But I don't really understand why his LS is a 400k card. That I agree with.
Real life baseball and MLB the Show Cards are completely different. Supply and demand is what causes 400k cards. Trout's amazing talent is why he is the best in baseball. The two are only related because demand for the Trout card is high and there isn't enough supply to cover all the demand. His card does go down when new supply is introduced or when demand goes elsewhere but for now it's a supply and demand issue. Basically most people who play the show believe he is the best and want him on their team. If he is or is not isn't the best doesn't really matter to the masses who believe he is. Thus increased demand.
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I understand supply and demand. I guess it's just odd that every year he is considered 2-3x more valuable or desirable than the other gate keepers.
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If we use PScrabro logic. deGrom isn't the best pitcher in the league. Guys like Cole, Scherzer, Verlander have had more wins, more k's, lower whip in the past 3 years than deGrom. Therefore by default deGrom is overrated.
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@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
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@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
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@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
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@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
For what it's worth he was 5th in HR with 45 and was 1,2,2 in OPB, Slg % and OPS respectively. Also had a near 1:1 K:BB ratio with far more walks and fewer Ks than most of the guys in the top 10 of the categories you named. Fewer games and ABs than those guys as well, but that could also be factored as a negative. All in all I would say he had a very good year.
ETA: the number of games is what factors more into accumulation stats that you named like hits, HRs, etc.... on a per AB basis I'm not sure there's very many guys in the league I'd rather have than Trout... just gotta stay healthy.
The point is though if you were starting a franchise today and pick Trout... that's a risky pick because there are a half dozen guys that have similar offensive numbers to him that are durable and missed less games the last 5 years than Trout has missed in the last 2. No matter how great you are... it's useless if your not ever on the field. I guess I'm too much of a "what have you done lately" type person because I don't rank Trout as valuable as a lot of guys because he hasn't done much to help his team in almost 3 years now (2019 season)
Sure I would rather start a franchise with a 22 year old superstar over a 29 year old superstar, but a good bit of your commentary on this thread has been suggesting that Trout is NOT a top 4-5 player and has not finished in the top 5 in ANY batting statistic in the last couple years which is just not true. That's all I was saying. I agree with you that his durability plays into his value, but my point is that when he is playing he is one of the very best in the game and has been since he started. I also probably agree that he might be a bit over-valued in the game as a live series card. I don't think he is over-rated, as I personally believe he is the best player in baseball when healthy. But I don't really understand why his LS is a 400k card. That I agree with.
@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
For what it's worth he was 5th in HR with 45 and was 1,2,2 in OPB, Slg % and OPS respectively. Also had a near 1:1 K:BB ratio with far more walks and fewer Ks than most of the guys in the top 10 of the categories you named. Fewer games and ABs than those guys as well, but that could also be factored as a negative. All in all I would say he had a very good year.
ETA: the number of games is what factors more into accumulation stats that you named like hits, HRs, etc.... on a per AB basis I'm not sure there's very many guys in the league I'd rather have than Trout... just gotta stay healthy.
The point is though if you were starting a franchise today and pick Trout... that's a risky pick because there are a half dozen guys that have similar offensive numbers to him that are durable and missed less games the last 5 years than Trout has missed in the last 2. No matter how great you are... it's useless if your not ever on the field. I guess I'm too much of a "what have you done lately" type person because I don't rank Trout as valuable as a lot of guys because he hasn't done much to help his team in almost 3 years now (2019 season)
Sure I would rather start a franchise with a 22 year old superstar over a 29 year old superstar, but a good bit of your commentary on this thread has been suggesting that Trout is NOT a top 4-5 player and has not finished in the top 5 in ANY batting statistic in the last couple years which is just not true. That's all I was saying. I agree with you that his durability plays into his value, but my point is that when he is playing he is one of the very best in the game and has been since he started. I also probably agree that he might be a bit over-valued in the game as a live series card. I don't think he is over-rated, as I personally believe he is the best player in baseball when healthy. But I don't really understand why his LS is a 400k card. That I agree with.
What is he top 5 in this season or last season??? 2 seasons is this season and last season. Maybe I'm not reading properly, but I see not a single statistic that he is top 5 in this year or last. His health obviously plays a role, but in the last 2 years... he can't be the best if he hasn't produced numbers. So if someone like say Bo Jackson plays 8 football games in his entire career and puts up great numbers in those 8 games, do you consider him one of the best RB ever in the NFL? By your logic Cris Sale is one the best few pitchers in baseball this year... because 2 years ago he was dominant and won a World series.
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I'm not even really trying to argue with you I was just pointing out that when you said he hasn't been top 5 in ANY hitting statistic in 3 years you were just wrong. If you are now all of a sudden just talking about the last two seasons including this season then he was tied for 4th in HR, 6th in RBI in 2020, 6th in OPS in 2020. 2021 obviously he hasn't played in two months. But if Tatis gets hurt for two months does that now make him not one of the best 4-5 guys in the league? That's all I am saying.
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@SilverBullet3519
You can't use logic with them. If you bring up how 2 years ago was 2019 all of a sudden 2 years means this year and last. Right now he's saying he's not top 5 in anything but if you pointed out that he was he would all of a sudden be saying "well he's not top 4" -
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
You’re wrong again. Do you actually look up anything or just try to bluff and hope no one checks your statements?
2019 he had 45 homers, good for 5th in MLB and 2nd in the AL.
You have zero credibility. Nothing you say matters regarding this topic now.
