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@go4stros25_PSN
Sadly the rise of self proclaimed experts who have never actually studied the field they claim to be an expert in has lead to people questioning actual experts because the BS ones are louder and more confident -
I think the argument here is they are trying to figure out who the next Trout is going to be. Go ahead battle it out yea it might be Tatis or Maybe Gurerro Jr. could be Acuna. Point is everyone is compared to Trout because his is the best overall athlete in baseball. I actually think Ohtani is better than all of them but no one introduced him into the conversation.
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@Bozzman0109_PSN
If Ohtani stays even close to what he put together this year he will definitely be the top player in a couple years. Noone doubts these other guys are coming up but these people were trying to make it seem like he isn't that good. -
@poksey_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
ok now do homers and rbi's with that. Yes trout walks alot(makes sabermetric numbers look great) and hits righties out of this world but he doesn't produce runs like the other guys other than 2019.Heck jason Giambi had a better stretch in his career than that with sabermetrics and giambi most certainly isn't better than trout. Trout doesn't steal bases like tatis and acuna. I get it, you are an analytics guy and that is cool. Trout in my opinion isn't a better player than tatis or acuna. It's at the very least an arguable point. Again look up a guy like giambi and see his stat lines. Walks improves the numbers and those guys do that for sure.
The 3 year stretch you mentioned for Giambi, he had a combined WAR of 24.1. The worst 3 year stretch (during 2012-2019) combined WAR for Trout is 24.7.
Yeah the War stat is not something I care about. If that is how you decide who is better then cool but I just don't care about it. Look at every other number and Giambi was better. I can't help there were also other good players during those years causing his war to go down.
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@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
I think the argument here is they are trying to figure out who the next Trout is going to be. Go ahead battle it out yea it might be Tatis or Maybe Gurerro Jr. could be Acuna. Point is everyone is compared to Trout because his is the best overall athlete in baseball. I actually think Ohtani is better than all of them but no one introduced him into the conversation.
He is not the best overall athlete. Heck he isn't even close to that. I can see you arguing best overall player but he certainly isn't the most athletic.
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"I dont care about WAR but here's an excuse for why Giambis was lower"
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@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
"I dont care about WAR but here's an excuse for why Giambis was lower"
I don't care about war and gave a reason to why i don't care about it...
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Other questions to consider are who had the best career? Who was the best at their prime? If I was going to build an all time team of players in their prime who would I pick first? Unfortunately Guerrero Jr.. Tatis Jr. Acuna even Soto are not in their prime yet so we don't know what they will produce. DeGrom yea he is in his prime right now and it is awesome.
It is very difficult to determine "best" as it is objective and many will have their own opinion. But if you struggle to find another player who is overall better than trout its because no one is yet. -
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
I think the argument here is they are trying to figure out who the next Trout is going to be. Go ahead battle it out yea it might be Tatis or Maybe Gurerro Jr. could be Acuna. Point is everyone is compared to Trout because his is the best overall athlete in baseball. I actually think Ohtani is better than all of them but no one introduced him into the conversation.
He is not the best overall athlete. Heck he isn't even close to that. I can see you arguing best overall player but he certainly isn't the most athletic.
Sorry yes should have said Baseball Athlete as in athletic skills used for baseball (strength speed coordination drive)
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Trout
BB%: 15.3
K%: 21.5
ISO: .278
Speed Score: 6.3Acuna:
BB%: 11.8
K%: 25.9
ISO: .266
Speed Score: 6.3Over the last couple years Acuna has a better defensive WAR. That's about it.
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@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
I think the argument here is they are trying to figure out who the next Trout is going to be. Go ahead battle it out yea it might be Tatis or Maybe Gurerro Jr. could be Acuna. Point is everyone is compared to Trout because his is the best overall athlete in baseball. I actually think Ohtani is better than all of them but no one introduced him into the conversation.
He is not the best overall athlete. Heck he isn't even close to that. I can see you arguing best overall player but he certainly isn't the most athletic.
Sorry yes should have said Baseball Athlete as in athletic skills used for baseball (strength speed coordination drive)
I do get what you are saying. You are saying his skill set is the best. I don't agree with that sediment but I can see why people think that. He isn't really a 5 tool baseball player in my opinion. I don't think he has to be to be the best overall player tho.
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@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
Trout
BB%: 15.3
K%: 21.5
ISO: .278
Speed Score: 6.3Acuna:
BB%: 11.8
K%: 25.9
ISO: .266
Speed Score: 6.3Over the last couple years Acuna has a better defensive WAR. That's about it.
I never said acuna is a better hitter. He most certainly is faster than trout.. He doesn't have to be a better hitter to be a better player than him now. There is more things than sabermetrics to evaluate players. I also think it's very close and when it comes to this game. I think Acuna should be the gatekeeper or at least in discussions to be. If they statted his card like they do trouts then he would be better.
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@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
I think the argument here is they are trying to figure out who the next Trout is going to be. Go ahead battle it out yea it might be Tatis or Maybe Gurerro Jr. could be Acuna. Point is everyone is compared to Trout because his is the best overall athlete in baseball. I actually think Ohtani is better than all of them but no one introduced him into the conversation.
He is not the best overall athlete. Heck he isn't even close to that. I can see you arguing best overall player but he certainly isn't the most athletic.
Sorry yes should have said Baseball Athlete as in athletic skills used for baseball (strength speed coordination drive)
I do get what you are saying. You are saying his skill set is the best. I don't agree with that sediment but I can see why people think that. He isn't really a 5 tool baseball player in my opinion. I don't think he has to be to be the best overall player tho.
Also Trout is just past his prime IMO so he will start to decline and someone will overtake him soon. But for the last 5 years he has been the best and he owns the crown until someone takes it from him.
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@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
I think the argument here is they are trying to figure out who the next Trout is going to be. Go ahead battle it out yea it might be Tatis or Maybe Gurerro Jr. could be Acuna. Point is everyone is compared to Trout because his is the best overall athlete in baseball. I actually think Ohtani is better than all of them but no one introduced him into the conversation.
He is not the best overall athlete. Heck he isn't even close to that. I can see you arguing best overall player but he certainly isn't the most athletic.
Sorry yes should have said Baseball Athlete as in athletic skills used for baseball (strength speed coordination drive)
I do get what you are saying. You are saying his skill set is the best. I don't agree with that sediment but I can see why people think that. He isn't really a 5 tool baseball player in my opinion. I don't think he has to be to be the best overall player tho.
Also Trout is just past his prime IMO so he will start to decline and someone will overtake him soon. But for the last 5 years he has been the best and he owns the crown until someone takes it from him.
I think they already have. I just don't know which one it is. I think because he was so good for so long that his body my start breaking down. I think he has 3 or 4 more good prime years left tho.
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they want to milk those rookie callups
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@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
For what it's worth he was 5th in HR with 45 and was 1,2,2 in OPB, Slg % and OPS respectively. Also had a near 1:1 K:BB ratio with far more walks and fewer Ks than most of the guys in the top 10 of the categories you named. Fewer games and ABs than those guys as well, but that could also be factored as a negative. All in all I would say he had a very good year.
ETA: the number of games is what factors more into accumulation stats that you named like hits, HRs, etc.... on a per AB basis I'm not sure there's very many guys in the league I'd rather have than Trout... just gotta stay healthy.
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@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bozzman0109_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
I think the argument here is they are trying to figure out who the next Trout is going to be. Go ahead battle it out yea it might be Tatis or Maybe Gurerro Jr. could be Acuna. Point is everyone is compared to Trout because his is the best overall athlete in baseball. I actually think Ohtani is better than all of them but no one introduced him into the conversation.
He is not the best overall athlete. Heck he isn't even close to that. I can see you arguing best overall player but he certainly isn't the most athletic.
Sorry yes should have said Baseball Athlete as in athletic skills used for baseball (strength speed coordination drive)
I do get what you are saying. You are saying his skill set is the best. I don't agree with that sediment but I can see why people think that. He isn't really a 5 tool baseball player in my opinion. I don't think he has to be to be the best overall player tho.
Also Trout is just past his prime IMO so he will start to decline and someone will overtake him soon. But for the last 5 years he has been the best and he owns the crown until someone takes it from him.
I think they already have. I just don't know which one it is. I think because he was so good for so long that his body my start breaking down. I think he has 3 or 4 more good prime years left tho.
This is a good problem for baseball good for the fans and good for the game.
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@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
For what it's worth he was 5th in HR with 45 and was 1,2,2 in OPB, Slg % and OPS respectively. Also had a near 1:1 K:BB ratio with far more walks and fewer Ks than most of the guys in the top 10 of the categories you named. Fewer games and ABs than those guys as well, but that could also be factored as a negative. All in all I would say he had a very good year.
ETA: the number of games is what factors more into accumulation stats that you named like hits, HRs, etc.... on a per AB basis I'm not sure there's very many guys in the league I'd rather have than Trout... just gotta stay healthy.
He walks which helps his sabermetric numbers like ops. His eye is elite.
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@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
For what it's worth he was 5th in HR with 45 and was 1,2,2 in OPB, Slg % and OPS respectively. Also had a near 1:1 K:BB ratio with far more walks and fewer Ks than most of the guys in the top 10 of the categories you named. Fewer games and ABs than those guys as well, but that could also be factored as a negative. All in all I would say he had a very good year.
ETA: the number of games is what factors more into accumulation stats that you named like hits, HRs, etc.... on a per AB basis I'm not sure there's very many guys in the league I'd rather have than Trout... just gotta stay healthy.
He walks which helps his sabermetric numbers like ops. His eye is elite.
I never understood why people used to downplay walks so much. Mickey Morandini slaps a single with no one on base, and that's somehow inherently better than drawing a walk. The result is the exact same.
So he walks a lot.
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@poksey_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
For what it's worth he was 5th in HR with 45 and was 1,2,2 in OPB, Slg % and OPS respectively. Also had a near 1:1 K:BB ratio with far more walks and fewer Ks than most of the guys in the top 10 of the categories you named. Fewer games and ABs than those guys as well, but that could also be factored as a negative. All in all I would say he had a very good year.
ETA: the number of games is what factors more into accumulation stats that you named like hits, HRs, etc.... on a per AB basis I'm not sure there's very many guys in the league I'd rather have than Trout... just gotta stay healthy.
He walks which helps his sabermetric numbers like ops. His eye is elite.
I never understood why people used to downplay walks so much. Mickey Morandini slaps a single with no one on base, and that's somehow inherently better than drawing a walk. The result is the exact same.
So he walks a lot.
He gets on base a lot. Do I care if it is a walk or a hit?100%. OPS isn't even a sabermetrics statistic either so it just seems like a Trout hater. Traditional stat guys can hate on WAR all they want, but Trout is 8th all time in MLB in OPS. 11th with Negro leagues factored in.
