New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites
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@johnny_reb34_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
I did one very small bit of research on roster updates. This I found relative to SD baseball players. The company resides in SD so, I suppose, it's there privilege to skew numbers however. Play favorites if they want.
But they have, supposedly, millions of customers that ain't Padre fans. Why would they intentionally (perhaps not, but it appears a pattern) neglect to be neutral in the constructs of player ratings. A heavy favoritism on their hometown players it appears...small sample set though.
Manny Machado an 87 Diamond, which if you base it solely on 2020 (which most experts say was a pretty fluky statistical year) probably deserves the 87. He hit .304 with 16 HR's. Pretty impressive for sure. The year before, though, he batted .256. This year he's batting .239 with 6 HR. Yet in the last roster update the dude took nary a hit. Still an 87 with no reduction of anything.
Let's compare that to Kris Bryant. A pretty stellar career. He tanked last year as did a majority of players (hence, why the experts claimed ya really shouldn't put a lot of weight on 2020). He came in this season as an 82 which, imo, was a little low for a guy just a couple seasons removed from league MVP. A guy that is 29 in the prime of his career in a FA year. But, I don't have a huge problem with that.
This is what I have a problem with. On May 28th with Machado not taking any sort of hit on his very shaky start..Bryant, who the Experts are saying is top 5 right now in MVP consideration. A guy that is destroying ML pitchers and having, at this point, better numbers than at this point in his MVP season. On May 28th Bryant not only didn't get a major point boost..he got -3 in vision and -4 in power right. Did get a +11 in Con L. I don't understand why he would get any minuses. Where does that logic come in?
The biggest point is...where are the minuses for Manny Machado?
Let's look at how very generous they were to Tatis. The last update he gets more boosts...BY FAR..than any other Diamond. Tatis is a great player..no doubt. But he was on the DL for 10 days during this update cycle.
Yu Darvish gets updated. Why? He's definitely not doing any better right now than he did last year statistically. In fact he had a lower ERA with a better k/9 and much better BB/9 and K/BB last year than this. Yet he gets bumped. Why? Does the team he plays for have something to do with it?
I dunno, but anyone out here that is watching these SD players get the favoritism and their home-town boyz get passed over should complain.
It's one thing to not always hit the highs with the code in the game. But there really is no excuse to play favorites with roster updates. In fact, it really sucks.
Well said.
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@wynsanity318_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
I take it you are relatively new and didn't see the laughable things for SD last year. I will say Bryant has the same flaw JD Martinez has though to prevent them from being diamonds and it has nothing to do with batting and gets "fixed" once a year....the defense in the game where Machado gets a big boost. I do agree with you some players shouldn't be as high as they are on SD cough cough Grisham cough but it is their game and they very clearly do whatever they see fit with it
Didn't realize there was a history. Gotta disagree with the defense though. As it relates to adjusting ratings. The guy has 5 errors this year already. One more tonight in the LOSS AGAINST THE CUBS.
If you based his defense on this year..you would swear the guy is a hack. For sure he needs to get a huge ratings reduction in that area.
If everyone that buys this game is OK with the company championing there hometown players..fine. Just thought I would point it out.
Sounds like it's a known commodity and they ain't changing it. Fits in completely with the way they design their game. Great company SDS.
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@goldengamingkm said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
@wynsanity318_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
I take it you are relatively new and didn't see the laughable things for SD last year. I will say Bryant has the same flaw JD Martinez has though to prevent them from being diamonds and it has nothing to do with batting and gets "fixed" once a year....the defense in the game where Machado gets a big boost. I do agree with you some players shouldn't be as high as they are on SD cough cough Grisham cough but it is their game and they very clearly do whatever they see fit with it
This is a really really naive take on your part.
Bryant a defensive liability!? Have you watched what he's done for a Cubs squad this year that has had to rely on both platoon guys and minor leaguers to replace the injured starters?
Because if you haven't, you should. And you'd definitely be thinking otherwise about Bryant. Dude hasn't played third base since mid-April! He's been called upon to play each of the outfield positions (above average to great by the way) and first base (average to above there).
When you have a versatile MVP caliber player like that and he's not getting bumped to diamond, there's a real problem. I might be a Cubs homer, but I know A LOT of folks around baseball would put him in the Top 2 or 3 for MVP right now.
To compare him with JD Martinez's poor defense is a huge [censored] mistake.
I am not saying his defense is a liability hence why I mentioned it gets updated once a season. Simply put though if you are looking for those missing overall points to make him a diamond it is pretty obvious where those points are missing from. If you aren't capable of simply looking at the side by side and seeing why someone's overall is lower maybe you should consider running an entire team of poor defenders by SDS standards
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@goldengamingkm said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
@wynsanity318_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
I take it you are relatively new and didn't see the laughable things for SD last year. I will say Bryant has the same flaw JD Martinez has though to prevent them from being diamonds and it has nothing to do with batting and gets "fixed" once a year....the defense in the game where Machado gets a big boost. I do agree with you some players shouldn't be as high as they are on SD cough cough Grisham cough but it is their game and they very clearly do whatever they see fit with it
This is a really really naive take on your part.
Bryant a defensive liability!? Have you watched what he's done for a Cubs squad this year that has had to rely on both platoon guys and minor leaguers to replace the injured starters?
Because if you haven't, you should. And you'd definitely be thinking otherwise about Bryant. Dude hasn't played third base since mid-April! He's been called upon to play each of the outfield positions (above average to great by the way) and first base (average to above there).
When you have a versatile MVP caliber player like that and he's not getting bumped to diamond, there's a real problem. I might be a Cubs homer, but I know A LOT of folks around baseball would put him in the Top 2 or 3 for MVP right now.
To compare him with JD Martinez's poor defense is a huge [censored] mistake.
I couldn't leave at a simple uptick. Had to personally say..way to destroy any implication that Kris Bryant is a defensive liability.
No offense to that guy..you already laid it on him...but he needs to understand real MLB a little better before hitting the keyboard. We all have to go through a learning process and I get it.
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Well Kris Bryant has a negative defensive war this year and was horrible last year all around. He also has done most of his offensive damage against lefties and struggled against righties.
Despite your take in Machado, he still has a positive defensive war this year and was great all around last year.
If both trend in the same direction this season, they will meet around 85 overall soon imo.
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@wynsanity318_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
I take it you are relatively new and didn't see the laughable things for SD last year. I will say Bryant has the same flaw JD Martinez has though to prevent them from being diamonds and it has nothing to do with batting and gets "fixed" once a year....the defense in the game where Machado gets a big boost. I do agree with you some players shouldn't be as high as they are on SD cough cough Grisham cough but it is their game and they very clearly do whatever they see fit with it
Speaking of relatively new I'm not sure you watch baseball at all because Kris Bryant is nowhere near a liability in the field. He is the modern-day Ben zobrist with a bigger bat.
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@ferga24_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
Well Kris Bryant has a negative defensive war this year and was horrible last year all around. He also has done most of his offensive damage against lefties and struggled against righties.
Despite your take in Machado, he still has a positive defensive war this year and was great all around last year.
If both trend in the same direction this season, they will meet around 85 overall soon imo.
I'll put a little more stock in your "struggled against righties" comment if he comes back from their upcoming west coast swing with even worse splits. Because a .289 average with an OPS slightly under .890 isn't something I would entirely classify as a struggle.
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@ferga24_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
Well Kris Bryant has a negative defensive war this year and was horrible last year all around. He also has done most of his offensive damage against lefties and struggled against righties.
Despite your take in Machado, he still has a positive defensive war this year and was great all around last year.
If both trend in the same direction this season, they will meet around 85 overall soon imo.
Still has a positive defense WAR. You do realize that WAR, in and of itself, is not the final benchmark. It's one of many. There are only 3 other 3B in NL that have more errors than Machado. One happens to be Mr. Gold Glove himself.
We can compare stats all day long. Not going there, but I am sticking to my guns that SDS puts their own players on a pedestal with bias and disregard for their customers fave players. Not cool.
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Won't get into the whole Bryant thing..
Just want to point out that most people who work at SDS are not Padre fans and aren't from San Diego.
Just from the streams over the years, there's literally one or 2 padre fans... A couple guys from Canada, Nick is a chisox guy. Luis is Yankees.. etc.. -
@goldengamingkm said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
@ferga24_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
Well Kris Bryant has a negative defensive war this year and was horrible last year all around. He also has done most of his offensive damage against lefties and struggled against righties.
Despite your take in Machado, he still has a positive defensive war this year and was great all around last year.
If both trend in the same direction this season, they will meet around 85 overall soon imo.
I'll put a little more stock in your "struggled against righties" comment if he comes back from their upcoming west coast swing with even worse splits. Because a .289 average with an OPS slightly under .890 isn't something I would entirely classify as a struggle.
And he hit .184 against them last year
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There’s isn’t a legit argument as to why Bryant isn’t a diamond or at the very least an 84 on the cusp of going diamond next update. He’s been snubbed this year.
A player having a similar season with not nearly the accolades as Bryant is Muncy. Muncy got a diamond upgrade
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@nanthrax_1_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
Won't get into the whole Bryant thing..
Just want to point out that most people who work at SDS are not Padre fans and aren't from San Diego.
Just from the streams over the years, there's literally one or 2 padre fans... A couple guys from Canada, Nick is a chisox guy. Luis is Yankees.. etc..Must just be a coincidence? Hmmm. What is most who work, and how do you know. Not saying you're wrong, but you are speaking like you know because of some survey of all the folks that have a hand in creating these ratings. And, maybe you do.
Pretty easy to cherry-pick, but it really stands to reason from any sort of logic you would ever want to inject that the players from the town that creates this game are given a better shake..further would make one think it's intentional.
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@johnny_reb34_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
@ferga24_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
Well Kris Bryant has a negative defensive war this year and was horrible last year all around. He also has done most of his offensive damage against lefties and struggled against righties.
Despite your take in Machado, he still has a positive defensive war this year and was great all around last year.
If both trend in the same direction this season, they will meet around 85 overall soon imo.
Still has a positive defense WAR. You do realize that WAR, in and of itself, is not the final benchmark. It's one of many. There are only 3 other 3B in NL that have more errors than Machado. One happens to be Mr. Gold Glove himself.
We can compare stats all day long. Not going there, but I am sticking to my guns that SDS puts their own players on a pedestal with bias and disregard for their customers fave players. Not cool.
Ok, he also has a negative uzr. Both stats are much better indicators than errors for defensive value. Look, I think he catches Machado soon, but there are valid reasons why Machado was higher up until this point.
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@ferga24_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
@johnny_reb34_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
@ferga24_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
Well Kris Bryant has a negative defensive war this year and was horrible last year all around. He also has done most of his offensive damage against lefties and struggled against righties.
Despite your take in Machado, he still has a positive defensive war this year and was great all around last year.
If both trend in the same direction this season, they will meet around 85 overall soon imo.
Still has a positive defense WAR. You do realize that WAR, in and of itself, is not the final benchmark. It's one of many. There are only 3 other 3B in NL that have more errors than Machado. One happens to be Mr. Gold Glove himself.
We can compare stats all day long. Not going there, but I am sticking to my guns that SDS puts their own players on a pedestal with bias and disregard for their customers fave players. Not cool.
Ok, he also has a negative uzr. Both stats are much better indicators than errors for defensive value. Look, I think he catches Machado soon, but there are valid reasons why Machado was higher up until this point.
We'll see.
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@johnny_reb34_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
@nanthrax_1_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
Won't get into the whole Bryant thing..
Just want to point out that most people who work at SDS are not Padre fans and aren't from San Diego.
Just from the streams over the years, there's literally one or 2 padre fans... A couple guys from Canada, Nick is a chisox guy. Luis is Yankees.. etc..Must just be a coincidence? Hmmm. What is most who work, and how do you know. Not saying you're wrong, but you are speaking like you know because of some survey of all the folks that have a hand in creating these ratings. And, maybe you do.
Pretty easy to cherry-pick, but it really stands to reason from any sort of logic you would ever want to inject that the players from the town that creates this game are given a better shake..further would make one think it's intentional.
First off, the studio is in San Diego.. that's it... They don't hire locally. They pick developers from all over, and internally from Sony.. secondly, for the last 6 years of MLB the show, they have streamed tournaments with their team, along with content, etc.. they've been very open to who they are, what each does and also what team they cheer for, and where they're from. Almost none of them are from San Diego... Luis (Yankee fan) runs the DD team. There's a twin and Jays fan on that team if I remember too.
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Prediction..if SD signs Bryant in Free Agency..he walks in as an 88 next year. By June he'll be a 90.
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@johnny_reb34_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
Prediction..if SD signs Bryant in Free Agency..he walks in as an 88 next year. By June he'll be a 90.
Lol. If he is on the cover...for sure
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@nanthrax_1_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
@johnny_reb34_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
@nanthrax_1_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
Won't get into the whole Bryant thing..
Just want to point out that most people who work at SDS are not Padre fans and aren't from San Diego.
Just from the streams over the years, there's literally one or 2 padre fans... A couple guys from Canada, Nick is a chisox guy. Luis is Yankees.. etc..Must just be a coincidence? Hmmm. What is most who work, and how do you know. Not saying you're wrong, but you are speaking like you know because of some survey of all the folks that have a hand in creating these ratings. And, maybe you do.
Pretty easy to cherry-pick, but it really stands to reason from any sort of logic you would ever want to inject that the players from the town that creates this game are given a better shake..further would make one think it's intentional.
First off, the studio is in San Diego.. that's it... They don't hire locally. They pick developers from all over, and internally from Sony.. secondly, for the last 6 years of MLB the show, they have streamed tournaments with their team, along with content, etc.. they've been very open to who they are, what each does and also what team they cheer for, and where they're from. Almost none of them are from San Diego... Luis (Yankee fan) runs the DD team. There's a twin and Jays fan on that team if I remember too.
All it takes is one Project Manager or one Director (from San Diego) with some influence to say "hey boyz, be extra kind to my favorite team". I was once a low-level programmer and was heavily influenced by the brass. It's how you get ahead.
Not saying you are wrong about anything you said. I'm saying that doesn't mean there isn't bias in the roster ratings. And everything I've seen indicate SD players get a speculative bump for whatever reason.
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@ferga24_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
@johnny_reb34_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
@ferga24_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
Well Kris Bryant has a negative defensive war this year and was horrible last year all around. He also has done most of his offensive damage against lefties and struggled against righties.
Despite your take in Machado, he still has a positive defensive war this year and was great all around last year.
If both trend in the same direction this season, they will meet around 85 overall soon imo.
Still has a positive defense WAR. You do realize that WAR, in and of itself, is not the final benchmark. It's one of many. There are only 3 other 3B in NL that have more errors than Machado. One happens to be Mr. Gold Glove himself.
We can compare stats all day long. Not going there, but I am sticking to my guns that SDS puts their own players on a pedestal with bias and disregard for their customers fave players. Not cool.
Ok, he also has a negative uzr. Both stats are much better indicators than errors for defensive value. Look, I think he catches Machado soon, but there are valid reasons why Machado was higher up until this point.
Didn't really want to get into this, but couldn't leave it alone. Just like you, I didn't know any of this before I googled it and researched it. But, sometimes you gotta do some research.
OAA (Outs above average) is supposedly the new gold standard for fielding. In that, yes, this year Bryant is -1..likely has a lot to do with the fact the Cubs have him playing multiple positions. But, -1 is not even close to terrible or a liability. In fact, -1 is above league average.
Machado is a 2..not bad. But Chapman has a 7, and Machado is tied with some of the great 3B like Matt Duffy and Brian Anderson. It's surely not stellar, but not bad.
But, look this up. Bryant's highest in his whole career was an 8..his lowest a -3..which, based on league average, isn't terrible...maybe..maybe slightly below average.
You want to hear about Machado's? Sure ya do. His highest ever was a 6 and lowest a -7. He's been a -6 twice.
So, based on what the experts say is the best single defensive measure of an Infielder..Bryant, over his career, is head and shoulders above Machado. Not even close.
The reason I hate these type pi$$in contests is because it's the one that turns up the most telling numbers that has to do the most work. I don't wanna work..I just want to complain.
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@goldengamingkm said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
@wynsanity318_psn said in New conspiracy..is SDS playing favorites:
I take it you are relatively new and didn't see the laughable things for SD last year. I will say Bryant has the same flaw JD Martinez has though to prevent them from being diamonds and it has nothing to do with batting and gets "fixed" once a year....the defense in the game where Machado gets a big boost. I do agree with you some players shouldn't be as high as they are on SD cough cough Grisham cough but it is their game and they very clearly do whatever they see fit with it
This is a really really naive take on your part.
Bryant a defensive liability!? Have you watched what he's done for a Cubs squad this year that has had to rely on both platoon guys and minor leaguers to replace the injured starters?
Because if you haven't, you should. And you'd definitely be thinking otherwise about Bryant. Dude hasn't played third base since mid-April! He's been called upon to play each of the outfield positions (above average to great by the way) and first base (average to above there).
When you have a versatile MVP caliber player like that and he's not getting bumped to diamond, there's a real problem. I might be a Cubs homer, but I know A LOT of folks around baseball would put him in the Top 2 or 3 for MVP right now.
To compare him with JD Martinez's poor defense is a huge [censored] mistake.
Sometimes I think these extremely versatile defensive players don’t get the defensive rating they deserve. This might be because they’re not always playing their top position, which is a shame. Machado basically sticks to one position, and is good at it, so his rating is high. Throw machado in RF, let alone CF, and I’m hard pressed to believe he could even hold Bryant’s jockstrap. Vice versa, throw Bryant at machados position, and machado wins the battle.
