Rob Manfred
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@formallyforearms said in Rob Manfred:
@savagesteve74 said in Rob Manfred:
Double header needs to go, as well as relief limit. I don’t mind the extra innings rule, speeds it up. No one enjoyed 14+ inning games, ruined the teams for weeks.
The real fix needs to be the defensive shifts, data doesn’t lie, it’s killing baseball. BABIP is in serious decline, fans like action, shifts offer no action. (I said this in a different post earlier)
Shifts are just putting players in positions to where the batter hits most often. The reason fielders have been aligned in their positions for over a century is because those are the spots on the field that allowed the defense to have the greatest opportunities to get outs. Taking away the shift is pointless. It would be like not allowing infielders to play in for the bunt, or to try to get the out at home.
The problem is the mentality against the shift, rather than the shift itself.
100% agree. They didn't even attempt shifts back then because the hitter would've thought it was a joke, and just poked the ball to the side of the field which is basically empty for an easy base hit every time up. Hitters today are too HR happy and continue to try and pull the ball right into the shift.
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@savagesteve74 said in Rob Manfred:
Double header needs to go, as well as relief limit. I don’t mind the extra innings rule, speeds it up. No one enjoyed 14+ inning games, ruined the teams for weeks.
The real fix needs to be the defensive shifts, data doesn’t lie, it’s killing baseball. BABIP is in serious decline, fans like action, shifts offer no action. (I said this in a different post earlier)
They are testing it in one of the minor league levels this year where during shifts all infielders have to be on the infield dirt at the pitch. I like this one cause it doesnt fully take away the shift but eliminates the 2nd outfielder in right.
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@formallyforearms said in Rob Manfred:
@savagesteve74 said in Rob Manfred:
Double header needs to go, as well as relief limit. I don’t mind the extra innings rule, speeds it up. No one enjoyed 14+ inning games, ruined the teams for weeks.
The real fix needs to be the defensive shifts, data doesn’t lie, it’s killing baseball. BABIP is in serious decline, fans like action, shifts offer no action. (I said this in a different post earlier)
Shifts are just putting players in positions to where the batter hits most often. The reason fielders have been aligned in their positions for over a century is because those are the spots on the field that allowed the defense to have the greatest opportunities to get outs. Taking away the shift is pointless. It would be like not allowing infielders to play in for the bunt, or to try to get the out at home.
The problem is the mentality against the shift, rather than the shift itself.
I agree with this 100%!!
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@stiebfan37_psn said in Rob Manfred:
@savagesteve74 said in Rob Manfred:
Double header needs to go, as well as relief limit. I don’t mind the extra innings rule, speeds it up. No one enjoyed 14+ inning games, ruined the teams for weeks.
The real fix needs to be the defensive shifts, data doesn’t lie, it’s killing baseball. BABIP is in serious decline, fans like action, shifts offer no action. (I said this in a different post earlier)
I hate defensive shifts too, but until baseball becomes baseball again...we have to live with it. By that I mean, if pure baseball, which is bunting, moving runners, hitting to all fields, working counts and taking walks doesn't come back and we
are forced to watch the boring shift, striking out look on a hittable/foulable pitch waiting for the homerun style of baseball...the shift is here to stay.Same with the nba. Can't stand watching games anymore, both teams shooting 3 after 3, and getting free lanes to the basket because no one wants to vet dunked on. Shifts suck but it would be so easy just to bunt the ball to the ENTIRE other side of the field.
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@formallyforearms said in Rob Manfred:
@savagesteve74 said in Rob Manfred:
Double header needs to go, as well as relief limit. I don’t mind the extra innings rule, speeds it up. No one enjoyed 14+ inning games, ruined the teams for weeks.
The real fix needs to be the defensive shifts, data doesn’t lie, it’s killing baseball. BABIP is in serious decline, fans like action, shifts offer no action. (I said this in a different post earlier)
Shifts are just putting players in positions to where the batter hits most often. The reason fielders have been aligned in their positions for over a century is because those are the spots on the field that allowed the defense to have the greatest opportunities to get outs. Taking away the shift is pointless. It would be like not allowing infielders to play in for the bunt, or to try to get the out at home.
The problem is the mentality against the shift, rather than the shift itself.
Here is the difference and why I believe the shift needs to be restricted or banned all together
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Its an oxymoron. Asking players to take a traditional approach to the plate against a new age tactic when analytically its been proven that HR > Bunt singles all day so everyone just swings for the seats. Which is also why we see fewer hits and more Ks.
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Nearly everyone in the league throws 95+. In in the hands, you're not going to take that the other way purposefully every time, its extremely difficult to do with success.
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The biggest point, is a baseball team fields 9 hitters, every team at this point with the data present has a F***load of data and information on each and every hitter in the lineup. This is regardless of the pitcher on the mound, any defender on the field they all have the access to same info and can remember it with ease or refer to it on a card.
But the batter? You have 12 pitchers you need to account for on every series. What do they throw? What is their velo? How do their pitches break? What about their arm angle? Time of day? Hitters are at a complete disadvantage already because you can't ask every batter in your lineup to remember every bit of info on a pitcher they're facing. The best the get is advice from players who have faced them, and then some previews from previous outings.
Did I mention a lot of these dudes throw 95+? And more players than ever are tossing 100+?
Ban or restrict the shift. Make defense matter again.
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Not to mention he's a dirt bag that just cost a bunch of families alot of money at the most desperate of times by moving the all star game
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Can't stand the extra inning rule or 7 inning double headers. Those are little league rules.
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I’m definitely in the minority but I kind of like the extra inning rule. It actually adds back some strategy into the game.
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@sportpimpin_xbl said in Rob Manfred:
Not to mention he's a dirt bag that just cost a bunch of families alot of money at the most desperate of times by moving the all star game
either that or players were going to boycott and there wasnt going to be an all star game...
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@kylejaros88_psn said in Rob Manfred:
@sportpimpin_xbl said in Rob Manfred:
Not to mention he's a dirt bag that just cost a bunch of families alot of money at the most desperate of times by moving the all star game
either that or players were going to boycott and there wasnt going to be an all star game...
No one was boycotting and there would be no reason too all uneducated virtue signaling as usual
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@savagesteve74 said in Rob Manfred:
Double header needs to go, as well as relief limit. I don’t mind the extra innings rule, speeds it up. No one enjoyed 14+ inning games, ruined the teams for weeks.
The real fix needs to be the defensive shifts, data doesn’t lie, it’s killing baseball. BABIP is in serious decline, fans like action, shifts offer no action. (I said this in a different post earlier)
Bet they would go back to nine innings if they were required to reduce the price of a seven inning game ticket.
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according to the mlb players were already saying they would boycott. but i'm sure you know better because of fox news and ben shaprio lol
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Rob Manfred speaks for the owners... Full stop. He does their bidding. That is his job....
Nothing is his personal vendetta. He literally was hired to do that job.
The rules in place were agreed upon by the union. Don't blame him for it... Or that the game needs to modernize with viewership loss and struggles in smaller markets.
Robot umps, extra innings rules, etc.. these things would all be on the table regardless of who was the commissioner.Are you to tell me bud Selig was any better? Under his watch we had the biggest scandals probably ever in baseball and a work stoppage cancelling a full season of baseball in '94. First time ever in MLB.
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@nanthrax_1_psn said in Rob Manfred:
Rob Manfred speaks for the owners... Full stop. He does their bidding. That is his job....
Nothing is his personal vendetta. He literally was hired to do that job.
The rules in place were agreed upon by the union. Don't blame him for it... Or that the game needs to modernize with viewership loss and struggles in smaller markets.
Robot umps, extra innings rules, etc.. these things would all be on the table regardless of who was the commissioner.Are you to tell me bud Selig was any better? Under his watch we had the biggest scandals probably ever in baseball and a work stoppage cancelling a full season of baseball in '94. First time ever in MLB.
Uuuuuuuhhhh, the 94 season wasn’t fully canceled. In fact they played approximately 120 games that year. It was suspended in mid August and eventually canceled in Late September. And work stoppages have occurred multiple times in the history of MLB. Just pointing out the facts. And this is becoming a common theme with your posts bud. You spout a lot of inaccuracies in a lot of your previous posts. You might want to think twice and write once as you lose a lot credibility with each inaccurate statement you make.
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Geez listen to you guys whine and complain about shifts when with technology the way it is today every professional sport has become a science. Data is freaking everywhere and when the overall run value of a home run is 1.397 versus a single being 0.475 of course more guys are going to swing for the fence and teams want that. This is why the stolen base is more of a lost art too because the overall run value of a SB is 0.175 but being caught stealing is -0.467. Plus if you're say David Ortiz and a team shifts to the extreme pull shift you're not going to want to bunt because:
- They pay you to produce runs not just get on base
- The overall run value is almost 1 full run less by getting a single
- Now you're on first base clogging up the bases cuz you don't have that much speed and can't take an extra base on a single.
It bogs everything down into a station to station game where the run value you gain is minimal to the risk of the run value you lose hitting into a double play. For instance: Ortiz leads off and decides to bunt against the shift for an easy single. Hooray he's on first and the run expectancy goes from 0.555 to 0.953. But then the guy after him hits into a double play and now we see that run expectancy drop from 0.953 to 0.117. Where as had Big Papi just swung for the fence and struck out thr original scenario goes from 0.555 to 0.297 run expectancy. So there is way less risk involved in going big with those guys.
That being said, teams need on base guys like a David Fletcher simply because when someone can get on base consistently at a high level that will only continue to multiply the potential gains for the big hitters. While the run expectancy based off game states doesn't really change it does get altered based off the hitter. People need to stop whining about the way baseball was played in the past and saying oh the strategy is gone when it's not. It's simply shifted (no pun inteded) to strategies that are more pre-determined prior to that guy stepping in the box. There is so much more that goes into every pitch now from spin rates to launch angles and exit velocity to shifts that game is way more evolved and advanced than it was before. So stop crying for your old school play style. It's like whining and saying a Commodore 64 is a superior system to a PS5 or Xbox Series S/X because of its simplicity.
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@killerpresence4 said in Rob Manfred:
@nanthrax_1_psn said in Rob Manfred:
Rob Manfred speaks for the owners... Full stop. He does their bidding. That is his job....
Nothing is his personal vendetta. He literally was hired to do that job.
The rules in place were agreed upon by the union. Don't blame him for it... Or that the game needs to modernize with viewership loss and struggles in smaller markets.
Robot umps, extra innings rules, etc.. these things would all be on the table regardless of who was the commissioner.Are you to tell me bud Selig was any better? Under his watch we had the biggest scandals probably ever in baseball and a work stoppage cancelling a full season of baseball in '94. First time ever in MLB.
Uuuuuuuhhhh, the 94 season wasn’t fully canceled. In fact they played approximately 120 games that year. It was suspended in mid August and eventually canceled in Late September. And work stoppages have occurred multiple times in the history of MLB. Just pointing out the facts. And this is becoming a common theme with your posts bud. You spout a lot of inaccuracies in a lot of your previous posts. You might want to think twice and write once as you lose a lot credibility with each inaccurate statement you make.
I spout no inaccuracies bud. I know they played 120 games. As was said in my post the season was cancelled, which was never done.
It was a year without a world series. That is my point. My credibility is just fine pal. You obviously have me mixed up with someone, because I'd love for you to show me another time I was wrong on something.. I've been on and off on here for years and have had many great conversations with regulars. Please show me examples of the complete garbage you're insulting me with.Was there really a point to be insulting and start a fight with me with that last bit? Any reason for that?
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@stiebfan37_psn said in Rob Manfred:
@savagesteve74 said in Rob Manfred:
Double header needs to go, as well as relief limit. I don’t mind the extra innings rule, speeds it up. No one enjoyed 14+ inning games, ruined the teams for weeks.
The real fix needs to be the defensive shifts, data doesn’t lie, it’s killing baseball. BABIP is in serious decline, fans like action, shifts offer no action. (I said this in a different post earlier)
I hate defensive shifts too, but until baseball becomes baseball again...we have to live with it. By that I mean, if pure baseball, which is bunting, moving runners, hitting to all fields, working counts and taking walks doesn't come back and we
are forced to watch the boring shift, striking out look on a hittable/foulable pitch waiting for the homerun style of baseball...the shift is here to stay.1.bunting is stupid. each team gets 27 outs, why waste one, your run expectancy for the inning decreases drastically with a bunt.
2.the best way to move a runner is to hit the ball in the seats, literally every one on base moves all the way to home plate, the objective
3. Hitters take walks more than any point in baseball history, in fact, analytically driven teams believe a walk is as good as a single, opposed to 20 years ago when batting average was the preferred stat to obp ops etc
4.if the shift is so easy to counter, every team would be doing it. They don’t continue trying to pull the ball because they don’t care about getting out, they continue trying to pull the ball because it is the most effective way for that particular hitter to drive in runs. -
@erinssilence_xbl said in Rob Manfred:
Geez listen to you guys whine and complain about shifts when with technology the way it is today every professional sport has become a science. Data is freaking everywhere and when the overall run value of a home run is 1.397 versus a single being 0.475 of course more guys are going to swing for the fence and teams want that. This is why the stolen base is more of a lost art too because the overall run value of a SB is 0.175 but being caught stealing is -0.467. Plus if you're say David Ortiz and a team shifts to the extreme pull shift you're not going to want to bunt because:
- They pay you to produce runs not just get on base
- The overall run value is almost 1 full run less by getting a single
- Now you're on first base clogging up the bases cuz you don't have that much speed and can't take an extra base on a single.
It bogs everything down into a station to station game where the run value you gain is minimal to the risk of the run value you lose hitting into a double play. For instance: Ortiz leads off and decides to bunt against the shift for an easy single. Hooray he's on first and the run expectancy goes from 0.555 to 0.953. But then the guy after him hits into a double play and now we see that run expectancy drop from 0.953 to 0.117. Where as had Big Papi just swung for the fence and struck out thr original scenario goes from 0.555 to 0.297 run expectancy. So there is way less risk involved in going big with those guys.
That being said, teams need on base guys like a David Fletcher simply because when someone can get on base consistently at a high level that will only continue to multiply the potential gains for the big hitters. While the run expectancy based off game states doesn't really change it does get altered based off the hitter. People need to stop whining about the way baseball was played in the past and saying oh the strategy is gone when it's not. It's simply shifted (no pun inteded) to strategies that are more pre-determined prior to that guy stepping in the box. There is so much more that goes into every pitch now from spin rates to launch angles and exit velocity to shifts that game is way more evolved and advanced than it was before. So stop crying for your old school play style. It's like whining and saying a Commodore 64 is a superior system to a PS5 or Xbox Series S/X because of its simplicity.
For some reason the old geezers in this thread don’t understand run expectancy or evaluating risk/reward -
@untchable704_psn said in Rob Manfred:
I wonder if they even discussed how the rule would affect you playing a video game. I bet they didn’t. Selfish bastards.
That is the best thing I have read all day, haha.
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@sportpimpin_xbl said in Rob Manfred:
Not to mention he's a dirt bag that just cost a bunch of families alot of money at the most desperate of times by moving the all star game
Agree 100%!!
