Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@vipersneak_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
I can’t wait for the check swing bandits to strike out 8 times in 3 innings and then rage quit!!!
And then they would put check swings back. Careful what you wish for.
No they aren’t this is wishful thinking. They are going a new direction with the game that’s evident. They are separating competitive from other forms of play. They aren’t going to listen to non-competitive minded people to dictate competitive gameplay. That’s what’s ruined the gameplay in the past and they are aware of it.
Source? Because them asking everyone to fill out surveys says different. So cmon know it all tell us and show proof where they aren't listening to "non-Competitive people." Cmon bigshot tell us!
Or are you assuming again and spewing more spew like always? Did it ever occur to you that they may want feedback from "non-competitive people" to find out what would get more people interested in it? Or why they are not interested in it to begin with?
Have you been paying attention? They clearly said in the streams that they want things in competitive mode to be USER CONTROLLED. They stated that the check swings are now user ability and not based on discipline. They also stated that competitive mode is based on “user stick skills”. That’s in all difficulties. Because when they take that away it has an effect on ALL DIFFICULTIES
So yea. I believe I’m right because I pay attention. Unless they are totally lying the direction they are going with the game is taking competitive ppls opinion and input on competitive modes. And casual ppls input on casual modes. Allstar will not be casual it will be competitive.
Abandoning that direction because a couple crybabies strike out because they want to swing at every pitch would be silly
So you are saying they will put discipline BACK in the game and take control away from the user if people strike out? I think those days are over dude. They are trying to take the game to the next level — you can’t do that with a sim.
You do that with a highly competitive game that represents the user.
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@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@vipersneak_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
I can’t wait for the check swing bandits to strike out 8 times in 3 innings and then rage quit!!!
And then they would put check swings back. Careful what you wish for.
No they aren’t this is wishful thinking. They are going a new direction with the game that’s evident. They are separating competitive from other forms of play. They aren’t going to listen to non-competitive minded people to dictate competitive gameplay. That’s what’s ruined the gameplay in the past and they are aware of it.
Source? Because them asking everyone to fill out surveys says different. So cmon know it all tell us and show proof where they aren't listening to "non-Competitive people." Cmon bigshot tell us!
Or are you assuming again and spewing more spew like always? Did it ever occur to you that they may want feedback from "non-competitive people" to find out what would get more people interested in it? Or why they are not interested in it to begin with?
Have you been paying attention? They clearly said in the streams that they want things in competitive mode to be USER CONTROLLED. They stated that the check swings are now user ability and not based on discipline. They also stated that competitive mode is based on “user stick skills”. That’s in all difficulties. Because when they take that away it has an effect on ALL DIFFICULTIES
So yea. I believe I’m right because I pay attention. Unless they are totally lying the direction they are going with the game is taking competitive ppls opinion and input on competitive modes. And casual ppls input on casual modes. Allstar will not be casual it will be competitive.
Abandoning that direction because a couple crybabies strike out because they want to swing at every pitch would be silly
They won’t abandon it because people whine, they WILL adjust it (on all star) as the metrics from the median player dictate.
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@gradekthebard said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@vipersneak_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
I can’t wait for the check swing bandits to strike out 8 times in 3 innings and then rage quit!!!
And then they would put check swings back. Careful what you wish for.
No they aren’t this is wishful thinking. They are going a new direction with the game that’s evident. They are separating competitive from other forms of play. They aren’t going to listen to non-competitive minded people to dictate competitive gameplay. That’s what’s ruined the gameplay in the past and they are aware of it.
Source? Because them asking everyone to fill out surveys says different. So cmon know it all tell us and show proof where they aren't listening to "non-Competitive people." Cmon bigshot tell us!
Or are you assuming again and spewing more spew like always? Did it ever occur to you that they may want feedback from "non-competitive people" to find out what would get more people interested in it? Or why they are not interested in it to begin with?
Have you been paying attention? They clearly said in the streams that they want things in competitive mode to be USER CONTROLLED. They stated that the check swings are now user ability and not based on discipline. They also stated that competitive mode is based on “user stick skills”. That’s in all difficulties. Because when they take that away it has an effect on ALL DIFFICULTIES
So yea. I believe I’m right because I pay attention. Unless they are totally lying the direction they are going with the game is taking competitive ppls opinion and input on competitive modes. And casual ppls input on casual modes. Allstar will not be casual it will be competitive.
Abandoning that direction because a couple crybabies strike out because they want to swing at every pitch would be silly
They won’t abandon it because people whine, they WILL adjust it (on all star) as the metrics from the median player dictate.
They have years of data. If they wanted to do that why not just start that way? Just because ppl strike out? They have the ability to improve by just not swinging. From what they have been saying I don’t think they will go the route of making adjustments to gameplay results based on data unless the data is glaring which would mean something is wrong. Like for example — too many hits are happening on late weak contact — that might make them adjust something. But they know exactly what will happen if they do what they are doing with check swings.
People WILL strike out more. You don’t need data to know that.
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@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@gradekthebard said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@vipersneak_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
I can’t wait for the check swing bandits to strike out 8 times in 3 innings and then rage quit!!!
And then they would put check swings back. Careful what you wish for.
No they aren’t this is wishful thinking. They are going a new direction with the game that’s evident. They are separating competitive from other forms of play. They aren’t going to listen to non-competitive minded people to dictate competitive gameplay. That’s what’s ruined the gameplay in the past and they are aware of it.
Source? Because them asking everyone to fill out surveys says different. So cmon know it all tell us and show proof where they aren't listening to "non-Competitive people." Cmon bigshot tell us!
Or are you assuming again and spewing more spew like always? Did it ever occur to you that they may want feedback from "non-competitive people" to find out what would get more people interested in it? Or why they are not interested in it to begin with?
Have you been paying attention? They clearly said in the streams that they want things in competitive mode to be USER CONTROLLED. They stated that the check swings are now user ability and not based on discipline. They also stated that competitive mode is based on “user stick skills”. That’s in all difficulties. Because when they take that away it has an effect on ALL DIFFICULTIES
So yea. I believe I’m right because I pay attention. Unless they are totally lying the direction they are going with the game is taking competitive ppls opinion and input on competitive modes. And casual ppls input on casual modes. Allstar will not be casual it will be competitive.
Abandoning that direction because a couple crybabies strike out because they want to swing at every pitch would be silly
They won’t abandon it because people whine, they WILL adjust it (on all star) as the metrics from the median player dictate.
They have years of data. If they wanted to do that why not just start that way? Just because ppl strike out? They have the ability to improve by just not swinging. From what they have been saying I don’t think they will go the route of making adjustments to gameplay results based on data unless the data is glaring which would mean something is wrong. Like for example — too many hits are happening on late weak contact — that might make them adjust something. But they know exactly what will happen if they do what they are doing with check swings.
People WILL strike out more. You don’t need data to know that.
They likely already made adjustments based on the tech test (just like they did last year after the beta). You are going to be in for a shock if you think gameplay from the tech test is going to be exactly the same as what we see when 21 releases.
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@gradekthebard said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@gradekthebard said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@vipersneak_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
I can’t wait for the check swing bandits to strike out 8 times in 3 innings and then rage quit!!!
And then they would put check swings back. Careful what you wish for.
No they aren’t this is wishful thinking. They are going a new direction with the game that’s evident. They are separating competitive from other forms of play. They aren’t going to listen to non-competitive minded people to dictate competitive gameplay. That’s what’s ruined the gameplay in the past and they are aware of it.
Source? Because them asking everyone to fill out surveys says different. So cmon know it all tell us and show proof where they aren't listening to "non-Competitive people." Cmon bigshot tell us!
Or are you assuming again and spewing more spew like always? Did it ever occur to you that they may want feedback from "non-competitive people" to find out what would get more people interested in it? Or why they are not interested in it to begin with?
Have you been paying attention? They clearly said in the streams that they want things in competitive mode to be USER CONTROLLED. They stated that the check swings are now user ability and not based on discipline. They also stated that competitive mode is based on “user stick skills”. That’s in all difficulties. Because when they take that away it has an effect on ALL DIFFICULTIES
So yea. I believe I’m right because I pay attention. Unless they are totally lying the direction they are going with the game is taking competitive ppls opinion and input on competitive modes. And casual ppls input on casual modes. Allstar will not be casual it will be competitive.
Abandoning that direction because a couple crybabies strike out because they want to swing at every pitch would be silly
They won’t abandon it because people whine, they WILL adjust it (on all star) as the metrics from the median player dictate.
They have years of data. If they wanted to do that why not just start that way? Just because ppl strike out? They have the ability to improve by just not swinging. From what they have been saying I don’t think they will go the route of making adjustments to gameplay results based on data unless the data is glaring which would mean something is wrong. Like for example — too many hits are happening on late weak contact — that might make them adjust something. But they know exactly what will happen if they do what they are doing with check swings.
People WILL strike out more. You don’t need data to know that.
They likely already made adjustments based on the tech test (just like they did last year after the beta). You are going to be in for a shock if you think gameplay from the tech test is going to be exactly the same as what we see when 21 releases.
No I don’t think it will Be exactly the same I think some adjustments were justified ... but based on how they spoke about check swings I strongly doubt it’ll be different especially since it was super balanced.
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@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@vipersneak_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
I can’t wait for the check swing bandits to strike out 8 times in 3 innings and then rage quit!!!
And then they would put check swings back. Careful what you wish for.
No they aren’t this is wishful thinking. They are going a new direction with the game that’s evident. They are separating competitive from other forms of play. They aren’t going to listen to non-competitive minded people to dictate competitive gameplay. That’s what’s ruined the gameplay in the past and they are aware of it.
Source? Because them asking everyone to fill out surveys says different. So cmon know it all tell us and show proof where they aren't listening to "non-Competitive people." Cmon bigshot tell us!
Or are you assuming again and spewing more spew like always? Did it ever occur to you that they may want feedback from "non-competitive people" to find out what would get more people interested in it? Or why they are not interested in it to begin with?
Have you been paying attention? They clearly said in the streams that they want things in competitive mode to be USER CONTROLLED. They stated that the check swings are now user ability and not based on discipline. They also stated that competitive mode is based on “user stick skills”. That’s in all difficulties. Because when they take that away it has an effect on ALL DIFFICULTIES
So yea. I believe I’m right because I pay attention. Unless they are totally lying the direction they are going with the game is taking competitive ppls opinion and input on competitive modes. And casual ppls input on casual modes. Allstar will not be casual it will be competitive.
Abandoning that direction because a couple crybabies strike out because they want to swing at every pitch would be silly
So you are saying they will put discipline BACK in the game and take control away from the user if people strike out? I think those days are over dude. They are trying to take the game to the next level — you can’t do that with a sim.
You do that with a highly competitive game that represents the user.
I never said any of that! I don't play Competitive for reasons you didn't even mention so i don't know where you came up with that from. I said "Did it occur to you that they could ask non -competitive people why they don't play mode." OMG it is written in post up above ffs and then ask me if i'm paying attention? So freakin done with you.
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@vipersneak_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
I can’t wait for the check swing bandits to strike out 8 times in 3 innings and then rage quit!!!
And then they would put check swings back. Careful what you wish for.
No they aren’t this is wishful thinking. They are going a new direction with the game that’s evident. They are separating competitive from other forms of play. They aren’t going to listen to non-competitive minded people to dictate competitive gameplay. That’s what’s ruined the gameplay in the past and they are aware of it.
Source? Because them asking everyone to fill out surveys says different. So cmon know it all tell us and show proof where they aren't listening to "non-Competitive people." Cmon bigshot tell us!
Or are you assuming again and spewing more spew like always? Did it ever occur to you that they may want feedback from "non-competitive people" to find out what would get more people interested in it? Or why they are not interested in it to begin with?
Have you been paying attention? They clearly said in the streams that they want things in competitive mode to be USER CONTROLLED. They stated that the check swings are now user ability and not based on discipline. They also stated that competitive mode is based on “user stick skills”. That’s in all difficulties. Because when they take that away it has an effect on ALL DIFFICULTIES
So yea. I believe I’m right because I pay attention. Unless they are totally lying the direction they are going with the game is taking competitive ppls opinion and input on competitive modes. And casual ppls input on casual modes. Allstar will not be casual it will be competitive.
Abandoning that direction because a couple crybabies strike out because they want to swing at every pitch would be silly
So you are saying they will put discipline BACK in the game and take control away from the user if people strike out? I think those days are over dude. They are trying to take the game to the next level — you can’t do that with a sim.
You do that with a highly competitive game that represents the user.
I never said any of that! I don't play Competitive for reasons you didn't even mention so i don't know where you came up with that from. I said "Did it occur to you that they could ask non -competitive people why they don't play mode." OMG it is written in post up above ffs and then ask me if i'm paying attention? So freakin done with you.
I said —- “ They aren’t going to listen to non-competitive minded people to dictate competitive gameplay. That’s what’s ruined the gameplay in the past and they are aware of it.”
You asked me to give my source.
My source was SDS — they aren’t going to change competitive mode to suit a few people because it’s “hard” they tried that it fails. This game is a niche product. You literally aren’t paying attention.
This is where this game is going right now. They are trying to please all groups. They aren’t going to worry about why non-competitive people don’t play competitive modes instead...they are making non-competitive modes for those people and letting competitive be competitive.
You are saying they are going to change competitive to be less competitive because competitive is too competitive? Do you listen to yourself?
Logic. Common sense. You don’t have them.
Pay attention to how sds is marketing themselves right now. Instead of trying to please everyone with one game style they are breaking up the game styles into different places to play. Why after doing that would they change competitive mode to suit people that feel that it’s too hard...the word HARD is what competitive means in a sense. It’s no longer the mode to please the masses it is now the mode to play verse others once you honed your skill of the game.
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"Logic. Common sense. You don’t have them."
Uncalled for. Just state your opinion.
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@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@vipersneak_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
I can’t wait for the check swing bandits to strike out 8 times in 3 innings and then rage quit!!!
And then they would put check swings back. Careful what you wish for.
No they aren’t this is wishful thinking. They are going a new direction with the game that’s evident. They are separating competitive from other forms of play. They aren’t going to listen to non-competitive minded people to dictate competitive gameplay. That’s what’s ruined the gameplay in the past and they are aware of it.
Source? Because them asking everyone to fill out surveys says different. So cmon know it all tell us and show proof where they aren't listening to "non-Competitive people." Cmon bigshot tell us!
Or are you assuming again and spewing more spew like always? Did it ever occur to you that they may want feedback from "non-competitive people" to find out what would get more people interested in it? Or why they are not interested in it to begin with?
Have you been paying attention? They clearly said in the streams that they want things in competitive mode to be USER CONTROLLED. They stated that the check swings are now user ability and not based on discipline. They also stated that competitive mode is based on “user stick skills”. That’s in all difficulties. Because when they take that away it has an effect on ALL DIFFICULTIES
So yea. I believe I’m right because I pay attention. Unless they are totally lying the direction they are going with the game is taking competitive ppls opinion and input on competitive modes. And casual ppls input on casual modes. Allstar will not be casual it will be competitive.
Abandoning that direction because a couple crybabies strike out because they want to swing at every pitch would be silly
So you are saying they will put discipline BACK in the game and take control away from the user if people strike out? I think those days are over dude. They are trying to take the game to the next level — you can’t do that with a sim.
You do that with a highly competitive game that represents the user.
I never said any of that! I don't play Competitive for reasons you didn't even mention so i don't know where you came up with that from. I said "Did it occur to you that they could ask non -competitive people why they don't play mode." OMG it is written in post up above ffs and then ask me if i'm paying attention? So freakin done with you.
I said —- “ They aren’t going to listen to non-competitive minded people to dictate competitive gameplay. That’s what’s ruined the gameplay in the past and they are aware of it.”
You asked me to give my source.
My source was SDS — they aren’t going to change competitive mode to suit a few people because it’s “hard” they tried that it fails. This game is a niche product. You literally aren’t paying attention.
This is where this game is going right now. They are trying to please all groups. They aren’t going to worry about why non-competitive people don’t play competitive modes instead...they are making non-competitive modes for those people and letting competitive be competitive.
You are saying they are going to change competitive to be less competitive because competitive is too competitive? Do you listen to yourself?
Logic. Common sense. You don’t have them.
Pay attention to how sds is marketing themselves right now. Instead of trying to please everyone with one game style they are breaking up the game styles into different places to play. Why after doing that would they change competitive mode to suit people that feel that it’s too hard...the word HARD is what competitive means in a sense. It’s no longer the mode to please the masses it is now the mode to play verse others once you honed your skill of the game.
Plus, since the game has not come out, you have no clue if what you are saying is even true. We will see.
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@vipersneak_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@vipersneak_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
I can’t wait for the check swing bandits to strike out 8 times in 3 innings and then rage quit!!!
And then they would put check swings back. Careful what you wish for.
No they aren’t this is wishful thinking. They are going a new direction with the game that’s evident. They are separating competitive from other forms of play. They aren’t going to listen to non-competitive minded people to dictate competitive gameplay. That’s what’s ruined the gameplay in the past and they are aware of it.
Source? Because them asking everyone to fill out surveys says different. So cmon know it all tell us and show proof where they aren't listening to "non-Competitive people." Cmon bigshot tell us!
Or are you assuming again and spewing more spew like always? Did it ever occur to you that they may want feedback from "non-competitive people" to find out what would get more people interested in it? Or why they are not interested in it to begin with?
Have you been paying attention? They clearly said in the streams that they want things in competitive mode to be USER CONTROLLED. They stated that the check swings are now user ability and not based on discipline. They also stated that competitive mode is based on “user stick skills”. That’s in all difficulties. Because when they take that away it has an effect on ALL DIFFICULTIES
So yea. I believe I’m right because I pay attention. Unless they are totally lying the direction they are going with the game is taking competitive ppls opinion and input on competitive modes. And casual ppls input on casual modes. Allstar will not be casual it will be competitive.
Abandoning that direction because a couple crybabies strike out because they want to swing at every pitch would be silly
So you are saying they will put discipline BACK in the game and take control away from the user if people strike out? I think those days are over dude. They are trying to take the game to the next level — you can’t do that with a sim.
You do that with a highly competitive game that represents the user.
I never said any of that! I don't play Competitive for reasons you didn't even mention so i don't know where you came up with that from. I said "Did it occur to you that they could ask non -competitive people why they don't play mode." OMG it is written in post up above ffs and then ask me if i'm paying attention? So freakin done with you.
I said —- “ They aren’t going to listen to non-competitive minded people to dictate competitive gameplay. That’s what’s ruined the gameplay in the past and they are aware of it.”
You asked me to give my source.
My source was SDS — they aren’t going to change competitive mode to suit a few people because it’s “hard” they tried that it fails. This game is a niche product. You literally aren’t paying attention.
This is where this game is going right now. They are trying to please all groups. They aren’t going to worry about why non-competitive people don’t play competitive modes instead...they are making non-competitive modes for those people and letting competitive be competitive.
You are saying they are going to change competitive to be less competitive because competitive is too competitive? Do you listen to yourself?
Logic. Common sense. You don’t have them.
Pay attention to how sds is marketing themselves right now. Instead of trying to please everyone with one game style they are breaking up the game styles into different places to play. Why after doing that would they change competitive mode to suit people that feel that it’s too hard...the word HARD is what competitive means in a sense. It’s no longer the mode to please the masses it is now the mode to play verse others once you honed your skill of the game.
Plus, since the game has not come out, you have no clue if what you are saying is even true. We will see.
I’ve been playing the game for over a decade. I know how they operate. Do they change things? Yes. Do they look at data? Yes. Have they ever specifically separated game styles to appease all sorts of players? No. Why after doing that would they change competitive to appease less competitive people? Makes no sense.
They will change competitive play if the competitive crowd wants it changed most likely.
They aren’t going to change competitive play because a bunch of franchise players can’t hit online.
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@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@nanos_mcgregor said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@abbyspapa_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
Personally, I'd wait for the first couple patches before thanking any deities for assumptions.
Agreed, but if we go off the beta(btw showed they fixed it) then I’ll be happy with it. Then again it is SDS and we might get double crossed.
What makes me slightly suspicious is if they knew they could fix it— and admittedly made it “more generous” as the season went on— meaning they could tune it— why didn’t they tune it down to stop it from happening in 20?
This is my only suspicion
You’re catching on...
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@halfbutt_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@nanos_mcgregor said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@abbyspapa_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
Personally, I'd wait for the first couple patches before thanking any deities for assumptions.
Agreed, but if we go off the beta(btw showed they fixed it) then I’ll be happy with it. Then again it is SDS and we might get double crossed.
What makes me slightly suspicious is if they knew they could fix it— and admittedly made it “more generous” as the season went on— meaning they could tune it— why didn’t they tune it down to stop it from happening in 20?
This is my only suspicion
You’re catching on...
I don’t think they « made it » more generous per say, I think it was already OP but once the Diamonds with 100+ discipline started being more prevalent, it got ridiculous.
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Also, let’s not forget, gentlemen, that the check swings were only a part of the problem. The other components were the strikes on the edges being called balls, and the seemingly random pitch outcomes from good input.
So a new pitching input mechanic has been introduced (pinpoint) and the PAR has been revealed (although it was probably already there).
Is the game still going to call pitches on the edges balls?
Check swings were a big problem this past year, but they were only a symptom of a bigger problem.
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@halfbutt_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
Also, let’s not forget, gentlemen, that the check swings were only a part of the problem. The other components were the strikes on the edges being called balls, and the seemingly random pitch outcomes from good input.
So a new pitching input mechanic has been introduced (pinpoint) and the PAR has been revealed (although it was probably already there).
Is the game still going to call pitches on the edges balls?
Check swings were a big problem this past year, but they were only a symptom of a bigger problem.
Yeah, the edge calls maybe were also related to the discipline rating being weighed too heavily in the algorithms. But I hope the better accuracy will not solely be put on the new meter. An balance between 19 being able to pinpoint with commons and 20 with diamonds regularly hanging pitches would be a start.
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@yankblan_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@halfbutt_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
Also, let’s not forget, gentlemen, that the check swings were only a part of the problem. The other components were the strikes on the edges being called balls, and the seemingly random pitch outcomes from good input.
So a new pitching input mechanic has been introduced (pinpoint) and the PAR has been revealed (although it was probably already there).
Is the game still going to call pitches on the edges balls?
Check swings were a big problem this past year, but they were only a symptom of a bigger problem.
Yeah, the edge calls maybe were also related to the discipline rating being weighed too heavily in the algorithms. But I hope the better accuracy will not solely be put on the new meter. An balance between 19 being able to pinpoint with commons and 20 with diamonds regularly hanging pitches would be a start.
Pinpoint is likely going to have tons of people switching modes during the game. It is fairly easy for normal windups, but virtually impossible for quick deliveries/stretch.
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@gradekthebard said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@yankblan_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@halfbutt_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
Also, let’s not forget, gentlemen, that the check swings were only a part of the problem. The other components were the strikes on the edges being called balls, and the seemingly random pitch outcomes from good input.
So a new pitching input mechanic has been introduced (pinpoint) and the PAR has been revealed (although it was probably already there).
Is the game still going to call pitches on the edges balls?
Check swings were a big problem this past year, but they were only a symptom of a bigger problem.
Yeah, the edge calls maybe were also related to the discipline rating being weighed too heavily in the algorithms. But I hope the better accuracy will not solely be put on the new meter. An balance between 19 being able to pinpoint with commons and 20 with diamonds regularly hanging pitches would be a start.
Pinpoint is likely going to have tons of people switching modes during the game. It is fairly easy for normal windups, but virtually impossible for quick deliveries/stretch.
I’m lost with pinpoint pitching. The one thing I really don’t get is where they say “it’s harder but more accurate”. How so? I went into practice and tried it and started getting 98% accurate readings and it was going all over the place. Meter seemed to be more accurate then pinpoint — that’s just my observation.
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@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@gradekthebard said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@yankblan_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@halfbutt_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
Also, let’s not forget, gentlemen, that the check swings were only a part of the problem. The other components were the strikes on the edges being called balls, and the seemingly random pitch outcomes from good input.
So a new pitching input mechanic has been introduced (pinpoint) and the PAR has been revealed (although it was probably already there).
Is the game still going to call pitches on the edges balls?
Check swings were a big problem this past year, but they were only a symptom of a bigger problem.
Yeah, the edge calls maybe were also related to the discipline rating being weighed too heavily in the algorithms. But I hope the better accuracy will not solely be put on the new meter. An balance between 19 being able to pinpoint with commons and 20 with diamonds regularly hanging pitches would be a start.
Pinpoint is likely going to have tons of people switching modes during the game. It is fairly easy for normal windups, but virtually impossible for quick deliveries/stretch.
I’m lost with pinpoint pitching. The one thing I really don’t get is where they say “it’s harder but more accurate”. How so? I went into practice and tried it and started getting 98% accurate readings and it was going all over the place. Meter seemed to be more accurate then pinpoint — that’s just my observation.
The accuracy of the first input is only 1/3 of the spectrum. Your timing of the release and the accuracy of your stick direction play equal parts as well. 98% pattern input but early and offline will cancel out that 98% pattern input. That pattern part is affecting the break/velocity of the pitch. The release timing and pull down control where it goes.
I've logged a good number of innings still in the tech test using it. Release timing and direction accuracy are much more important in my experience so far.
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@gradekthebard said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@gradekthebard said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@vipersneak_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
I can’t wait for the check swing bandits to strike out 8 times in 3 innings and then rage quit!!!
And then they would put check swings back. Careful what you wish for.
No they aren’t this is wishful thinking. They are going a new direction with the game that’s evident. They are separating competitive from other forms of play. They aren’t going to listen to non-competitive minded people to dictate competitive gameplay. That’s what’s ruined the gameplay in the past and they are aware of it.
Source? Because them asking everyone to fill out surveys says different. So cmon know it all tell us and show proof where they aren't listening to "non-Competitive people." Cmon bigshot tell us!
Or are you assuming again and spewing more spew like always? Did it ever occur to you that they may want feedback from "non-competitive people" to find out what would get more people interested in it? Or why they are not interested in it to begin with?
Have you been paying attention? They clearly said in the streams that they want things in competitive mode to be USER CONTROLLED. They stated that the check swings are now user ability and not based on discipline. They also stated that competitive mode is based on “user stick skills”. That’s in all difficulties. Because when they take that away it has an effect on ALL DIFFICULTIES
So yea. I believe I’m right because I pay attention. Unless they are totally lying the direction they are going with the game is taking competitive ppls opinion and input on competitive modes. And casual ppls input on casual modes. Allstar will not be casual it will be competitive.
Abandoning that direction because a couple crybabies strike out because they want to swing at every pitch would be silly
They won’t abandon it because people whine, they WILL adjust it (on all star) as the metrics from the median player dictate.
They have years of data. If they wanted to do that why not just start that way? Just because ppl strike out? They have the ability to improve by just not swinging. From what they have been saying I don’t think they will go the route of making adjustments to gameplay results based on data unless the data is glaring which would mean something is wrong. Like for example — too many hits are happening on late weak contact — that might make them adjust something. But they know exactly what will happen if they do what they are doing with check swings.
People WILL strike out more. You don’t need data to know that.
They likely already made adjustments based on the tech test (just like they did last year after the beta). You are going to be in for a shock if you think gameplay from the tech test is going to be exactly the same as what we see when 21 releases.
Your wasting your time with this guy. He has it set in his mind everytime he posts "My way or Highway mentality." If you disagree with him he will make another post claiming it's fact, or my favorite is when he says "He says he will guarantee he knows more than you! or his internet is faster! or his cat licks better than yours!
And if you read his rebuttle posts he "ALWAYS" changes the context of the person he is arguing with to fit his post. Seriously i went back and read his posts with others it always gets a spin put on it to fit his arguement.
He just told me yesterday SDS wouldn't listen to people who don't play Competitive mode in regards to what is wrong with Competitive mode and why they choose not to play it.
He comes back and adds the word (minded).To non-competitive minded people so when he added minded to it fit his post. "Their not going to listen to non-competitive minded people with regards to competitive mode. So making it sound like that way to fit his narrative. But also at the same time making it look like people who don't play competitive aren't competitive. Ignoring the fact that there are people who have a competitive mindset that don't play competive mode for other reasons.
And that is all i was trying to point out was if SDS wanted more poeople involved in competitive mode to find out why it doesn't interest them. Then he began spinning that into me saying i wanted it to be easier. I was like "what? I never said anything about difficulty." But he found a way to try to make it like i did. And that is when i came to terms it's just a spoiled brat who hides behind a screen and argues so i blocked him.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt on his "apologize to world thread." then week later started again then another post "Grizz let's just agree to disagree and talk baseball?" thought to myself ok 1 more chance then yestersays twisted word thread I was done. So point it's a waste of time and he is blocked and i feel so much better for it.
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@gradekthebard said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@gradekthebard said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@a_perfectgame said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@vipersneak_psn said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Thank god 21 won’t let check swings bail people out as often:
I can’t wait for the check swing bandits to strike out 8 times in 3 innings and then rage quit!!!
And then they would put check swings back. Careful what you wish for.
No they aren’t this is wishful thinking. They are going a new direction with the game that’s evident. They are separating competitive from other forms of play. They aren’t going to listen to non-competitive minded people to dictate competitive gameplay. That’s what’s ruined the gameplay in the past and they are aware of it.
Source? Because them asking everyone to fill out surveys says different. So cmon know it all tell us and show proof where they aren't listening to "non-Competitive people." Cmon bigshot tell us!
Or are you assuming again and spewing more spew like always? Did it ever occur to you that they may want feedback from "non-competitive people" to find out what would get more people interested in it? Or why they are not interested in it to begin with?
Have you been paying attention? They clearly said in the streams that they want things in competitive mode to be USER CONTROLLED. They stated that the check swings are now user ability and not based on discipline. They also stated that competitive mode is based on “user stick skills”. That’s in all difficulties. Because when they take that away it has an effect on ALL DIFFICULTIES
So yea. I believe I’m right because I pay attention. Unless they are totally lying the direction they are going with the game is taking competitive ppls opinion and input on competitive modes. And casual ppls input on casual modes. Allstar will not be casual it will be competitive.
Abandoning that direction because a couple crybabies strike out because they want to swing at every pitch would be silly
They won’t abandon it because people whine, they WILL adjust it (on all star) as the metrics from the median player dictate.
They have years of data. If they wanted to do that why not just start that way? Just because ppl strike out? They have the ability to improve by just not swinging. From what they have been saying I don’t think they will go the route of making adjustments to gameplay results based on data unless the data is glaring which would mean something is wrong. Like for example — too many hits are happening on late weak contact — that might make them adjust something. But they know exactly what will happen if they do what they are doing with check swings.
People WILL strike out more. You don’t need data to know that.
They likely already made adjustments based on the tech test (just like they did last year after the beta). You are going to be in for a shock if you think gameplay from the tech test is going to be exactly the same as what we see when 21 releases.
Your wasting your time with this guy. He has it set in his mind everytime he posts "My way or Highway mentality." If you disagree with him he will make another post claiming it's fact, or my favorite is when he says "He says he will guarantee he knows more than you! or his internet is faster! or his cat licks better than yours!
And if you read his rebuttle posts he "ALWAYS" changes the context of the person he is arguing with to fit his post. Seriously i went back and read his posts with others it always gets a spin put on it to fit his arguement.
He just told me yesterday SDS wouldn't listen to people who don't play Competitive mode in regards to what is wrong with Competitive mode and why they choose not to play it.
He comes back and adds the word (minded).To non-competitive minded people so when he added minded to it fit his post. "Their not going to listen to non-competitive minded people with regards to competitive mode. So making it sound like that way to fit his narrative. But also at the same time making it look like people who don't play competitive aren't comptitive. Ignoring the fact that there are people who have a competitive mindset that don't play competive mode for other reasons.
And that is all i was trying to point out was if SDS wanted more poeople involved in competitive mode to find out why it doesn't interest them. Then he began spinning that into me saying i wanted it to be easier. I was like "what? I never said anything about difficulty." But he found a way to try to make it like i did. And that is when i came to terms it's just a spoiled brat who hides behind a screen and argues so i blocked him.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt on his "apologize to world thread." then week later started again then another post "Grizz let's just agree to disagree and talk baseball?" thought to myself ok 1 more chance then yestersays twisted word thread I was done. So point it's a waste of time and he is blocked and i feel so much better for it.
I get it you are hopeful they change the competitive game to be a really bad sim of baseball so you can feel like you are competing too. Hopefully you are wrong and they don’t completely ruin the game.
I would imagine you are based on my assessment of the streams. Hopefully you are wrong.
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