perfect perfect double plays
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If people enjoy not be being rewarded and say its cool, then fine, i wont judge... But it's hard to keep playing this game and constantly square up balls and watch them find gloves time and time again.
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@jcassaro44_psn said in perfect perfect double plays:
If people enjoy not be being rewarded and say its cool, then fine, i wont judge... But it's hard to keep playing this game and constantly square up balls and watch them find gloves time and time again.
No one enjoys not being rewarded when you get a perfect-perfect but what we're saying is that we understand that that is just how baseball works. Anyone who believes they should be rewarded every time they do something perfectly just needs to honestly stay away from anything that has to do with baseball because that's just not how baseball works.
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@rabid55wolverine said in perfect perfect double plays:
Out of curiosity, why cant you hit a ball perfectly and still hit into a double play? You can hit a perfect grounder right at someone. The foul ball perfect hit is a little weird though
Because user input should matter more then what happens in baseball because that’s what video games are.
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@bayareaj1991 said in perfect perfect double plays:
@jcassaro44_psn said in perfect perfect double plays:
If people enjoy not be being rewarded and say its cool, then fine, i wont judge... But it's hard to keep playing this game and constantly square up balls and watch them find gloves time and time again.
No one enjoys not being rewarded when you get a perfect-perfect but what we're saying is that we understand that that is just how baseball works. Anyone who believes they should be rewarded every time they do something perfectly just needs to honestly stay away from anything that has to do with baseball because that's just not how baseball works.
You aren’t Mike trout. Mike trout doesnt flail at pitches in the dirt. Check swing 40 times a game and foul off 40 balls 15 feet out of the zone until he gets a meatball mistake 0-2 down the middle that he was already going to swing at because (what do you know) he swings at every pitch.
This isn’t a baseball simulation it’s a competitive baseball game and user input should reign supreme in a video game. Perfect perfect outs should be about 5% if that. The only way I would say it should be more is if they completely did away with bad input hits.
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@a_perfectgame said in perfect perfect double plays:
@bayareaj1991 said in perfect perfect double plays:
@jcassaro44_psn said in perfect perfect double plays:
If people enjoy not be being rewarded and say its cool, then fine, i wont judge... But it's hard to keep playing this game and constantly square up balls and watch them find gloves time and time again.
No one enjoys not being rewarded when you get a perfect-perfect but what we're saying is that we understand that that is just how baseball works. Anyone who believes they should be rewarded every time they do something perfectly just needs to honestly stay away from anything that has to do with baseball because that's just not how baseball works.
You aren’t Mike trout. Mike trout doesnt flail at pitches in the dirt. Check swing 40 times a game and foul off 40 balls 15 feet out of the zone until he gets a meatball mistake 0-2 down the middle that he was already going to swing at because (what do you know) he swings at every pitch.
This isn’t a baseball simulation it’s a competitive baseball game and user input should reign supreme in a video game. Perfect perfect outs should be about 5% if that. The only way I would say it should be more is if they completely did away with bad input hits.
I mean that first paragraph is a whole different issue. I do agree with them not allowing all these foul balls. I don't know where I said I believe that that is fine or that I agree that that should be acceptable. As for perfect-perfect outs being 5%, I'm sorry but that is crazy to me. Yes it is a competitive mode but so is the MLB and other baseball leagues and guess what? You get out on perfectly squared up balls. I really don't understand why you would play a baseball game and not want it to simulate real baseball. The people who think like you don't want an actual baseball game. What you want is a mode where both teams get a certain amount of batters each and there are no fielders and it is just simply who ever get's the most perfect-perfects wins. If that's what you want then that's fine but that would be a batting practice mode, not baseball. For the most part, the person with more good inputs is usually going to win. Have I won with less good inputs and lost with more good inputs before? Of course, but for the most part I believe the person with the most good inputs is going to win MOST OF THE TIME as it should be.
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@a_perfectgame said in perfect perfect double plays:
@rabid55wolverine said in perfect perfect double plays:
Out of curiosity, why cant you hit a ball perfectly and still hit into a double play? You can hit a perfect grounder right at someone. The foul ball perfect hit is a little weird though
Because user input should matter more then what happens in baseball because that’s what video games are.
User input is a lot more important in real life and they still smoke it right at people. Why should a game be different?
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@bayareaj1991 said in perfect perfect double plays:
@a_perfectgame said in perfect perfect double plays:
@bayareaj1991 said in perfect perfect double plays:
@jcassaro44_psn said in perfect perfect double plays:
If people enjoy not be being rewarded and say its cool, then fine, i wont judge... But it's hard to keep playing this game and constantly square up balls and watch them find gloves time and time again.
No one enjoys not being rewarded when you get a perfect-perfect but what we're saying is that we understand that that is just how baseball works. Anyone who believes they should be rewarded every time they do something perfectly just needs to honestly stay away from anything that has to do with baseball because that's just not how baseball works.
You aren’t Mike trout. Mike trout doesnt flail at pitches in the dirt. Check swing 40 times a game and foul off 40 balls 15 feet out of the zone until he gets a meatball mistake 0-2 down the middle that he was already going to swing at because (what do you know) he swings at every pitch.
This isn’t a baseball simulation it’s a competitive baseball game and user input should reign supreme in a video game. Perfect perfect outs should be about 5% if that. The only way I would say it should be more is if they completely did away with bad input hits.
I mean that first paragraph is a whole different issue. I do agree with them not allowing all these foul balls. I don't know where I said I believe that that is fine or that I agree that that should be acceptable. As for perfect-perfect outs being 5%, I'm sorry but that is crazy to me. Yes it is a competitive mode but so is the MLB and other baseball leagues and guess what? You get out on perfectly squared up balls. I really don't understand why you would play a baseball game and not want it to simulate real baseball. The people who think like you don't want an actual baseball game. What you want is a mode where both teams get a certain amount of batters each and there are no fielders and it is just simply who ever get's the most perfect-perfects wins. If that's what you want then that's fine but that would be a batting practice mode, not baseball. For the most part, the person with more good inputs is usually going to win. Have I won with less good inputs and lost with more good inputs before? Of course, but for the most part I believe the person with the most good inputs is going to win MOST OF THE TIME as it should be.
Honestly I’m not even annoyed at perfect perfect outs really because they didn’t annoy me in the beta what annoys me about 19 and 20 is out inputting my opponent an entire game while they strike out flailing and then they get a mistake — the perfect perfect outs just add to the misery. Just let the better players win when they play better the person who plays the best should win.
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@a_perfectgame said in perfect perfect double plays:
@bayareaj1991 said in perfect perfect double plays:
@a_perfectgame said in perfect perfect double plays:
@bayareaj1991 said in perfect perfect double plays:
@jcassaro44_psn said in perfect perfect double plays:
If people enjoy not be being rewarded and say its cool, then fine, i wont judge... But it's hard to keep playing this game and constantly square up balls and watch them find gloves time and time again.
No one enjoys not being rewarded when you get a perfect-perfect but what we're saying is that we understand that that is just how baseball works. Anyone who believes they should be rewarded every time they do something perfectly just needs to honestly stay away from anything that has to do with baseball because that's just not how baseball works.
You aren’t Mike trout. Mike trout doesnt flail at pitches in the dirt. Check swing 40 times a game and foul off 40 balls 15 feet out of the zone until he gets a meatball mistake 0-2 down the middle that he was already going to swing at because (what do you know) he swings at every pitch.
This isn’t a baseball simulation it’s a competitive baseball game and user input should reign supreme in a video game. Perfect perfect outs should be about 5% if that. The only way I would say it should be more is if they completely did away with bad input hits.
I mean that first paragraph is a whole different issue. I do agree with them not allowing all these foul balls. I don't know where I said I believe that that is fine or that I agree that that should be acceptable. As for perfect-perfect outs being 5%, I'm sorry but that is crazy to me. Yes it is a competitive mode but so is the MLB and other baseball leagues and guess what? You get out on perfectly squared up balls. I really don't understand why you would play a baseball game and not want it to simulate real baseball. The people who think like you don't want an actual baseball game. What you want is a mode where both teams get a certain amount of batters each and there are no fielders and it is just simply who ever get's the most perfect-perfects wins. If that's what you want then that's fine but that would be a batting practice mode, not baseball. For the most part, the person with more good inputs is usually going to win. Have I won with less good inputs and lost with more good inputs before? Of course, but for the most part I believe the person with the most good inputs is going to win MOST OF THE TIME as it should be.
Honestly I’m not even annoyed at perfect perfect outs really because they didn’t annoy me in the beta what annoys me about 19 and 20 is out inputting my opponent an entire game while they strike out flailing and then they get a mistake — the perfect perfect outs just add to the misery. Just let the better players win when they play better the person who plays the best should win.
The fact that players can flail around and get lucky is by far the biggest issue
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@rabid55wolverine said in perfect perfect double plays:
@a_perfectgame said in perfect perfect double plays:
@bayareaj1991 said in perfect perfect double plays:
@a_perfectgame said in perfect perfect double plays:
@bayareaj1991 said in perfect perfect double plays:
@jcassaro44_psn said in perfect perfect double plays:
If people enjoy not be being rewarded and say its cool, then fine, i wont judge... But it's hard to keep playing this game and constantly square up balls and watch them find gloves time and time again.
No one enjoys not being rewarded when you get a perfect-perfect but what we're saying is that we understand that that is just how baseball works. Anyone who believes they should be rewarded every time they do something perfectly just needs to honestly stay away from anything that has to do with baseball because that's just not how baseball works.
You aren’t Mike trout. Mike trout doesnt flail at pitches in the dirt. Check swing 40 times a game and foul off 40 balls 15 feet out of the zone until he gets a meatball mistake 0-2 down the middle that he was already going to swing at because (what do you know) he swings at every pitch.
This isn’t a baseball simulation it’s a competitive baseball game and user input should reign supreme in a video game. Perfect perfect outs should be about 5% if that. The only way I would say it should be more is if they completely did away with bad input hits.
I mean that first paragraph is a whole different issue. I do agree with them not allowing all these foul balls. I don't know where I said I believe that that is fine or that I agree that that should be acceptable. As for perfect-perfect outs being 5%, I'm sorry but that is crazy to me. Yes it is a competitive mode but so is the MLB and other baseball leagues and guess what? You get out on perfectly squared up balls. I really don't understand why you would play a baseball game and not want it to simulate real baseball. The people who think like you don't want an actual baseball game. What you want is a mode where both teams get a certain amount of batters each and there are no fielders and it is just simply who ever get's the most perfect-perfects wins. If that's what you want then that's fine but that would be a batting practice mode, not baseball. For the most part, the person with more good inputs is usually going to win. Have I won with less good inputs and lost with more good inputs before? Of course, but for the most part I believe the person with the most good inputs is going to win MOST OF THE TIME as it should be.
Honestly I’m not even annoyed at perfect perfect outs really because they didn’t annoy me in the beta what annoys me about 19 and 20 is out inputting my opponent an entire game while they strike out flailing and then they get a mistake — the perfect perfect outs just add to the misery. Just let the better players win when they play better the person who plays the best should win.
The fact that players can flail around and get lucky is by far the biggest issue
I can’t even count the amount of times I had good squared good squared perfect perfect for 12 straight at bats — and now their pitcher is at 26 pitches. But I’m hitting dots and they are flailing hitting the back end of their bat 0-2 and check swinging everything off speed with 15 pitch at bats and they can’t square anything up. And now I’m at 75 pitches.
Sorry but that’s horrible gameplay... I’m not saying you don’t agree. I honestly don’t understand how anyone doesn’t agree
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Ok here’s a question. I had a PP fly all with mantle 20 degree launch angle, 106 exit velo and it was a fly out to 10 feet before the track
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@a_perfectgame said in perfect perfect double plays:
@bayareaj1991 said in perfect perfect double plays:
@a_perfectgame said in perfect perfect double plays:
@bayareaj1991 said in perfect perfect double plays:
@jcassaro44_psn said in perfect perfect double plays:
If people enjoy not be being rewarded and say its cool, then fine, i wont judge... But it's hard to keep playing this game and constantly square up balls and watch them find gloves time and time again.
No one enjoys not being rewarded when you get a perfect-perfect but what we're saying is that we understand that that is just how baseball works. Anyone who believes they should be rewarded every time they do something perfectly just needs to honestly stay away from anything that has to do with baseball because that's just not how baseball works.
You aren’t Mike trout. Mike trout doesnt flail at pitches in the dirt. Check swing 40 times a game and foul off 40 balls 15 feet out of the zone until he gets a meatball mistake 0-2 down the middle that he was already going to swing at because (what do you know) he swings at every pitch.
This isn’t a baseball simulation it’s a competitive baseball game and user input should reign supreme in a video game. Perfect perfect outs should be about 5% if that. The only way I would say it should be more is if they completely did away with bad input hits.
I mean that first paragraph is a whole different issue. I do agree with them not allowing all these foul balls. I don't know where I said I believe that that is fine or that I agree that that should be acceptable. As for perfect-perfect outs being 5%, I'm sorry but that is crazy to me. Yes it is a competitive mode but so is the MLB and other baseball leagues and guess what? You get out on perfectly squared up balls. I really don't understand why you would play a baseball game and not want it to simulate real baseball. The people who think like you don't want an actual baseball game. What you want is a mode where both teams get a certain amount of batters each and there are no fielders and it is just simply who ever get's the most perfect-perfects wins. If that's what you want then that's fine but that would be a batting practice mode, not baseball. For the most part, the person with more good inputs is usually going to win. Have I won with less good inputs and lost with more good inputs before? Of course, but for the most part I believe the person with the most good inputs is going to win MOST OF THE TIME as it should be.
Honestly I’m not even annoyed at perfect perfect outs really because they didn’t annoy me in the beta what annoys me about 19 and 20 is out inputting my opponent an entire game while they strike out flailing and then they get a mistake — the perfect perfect outs just add to the misery. Just let the better players win when they play better the person who plays the best should win.
Okay so that I can agree with you with. If you're constantly hitting perfect perfects and the other person strikes out 20 times and flails constantly and wins because the two or three they hit go out then ya that I can understand. I just don't believe that all perfect perfect hits should be hits or that the person with the most perfects should get a guaranteed win. If both players play well and one has a few more perfect perfects that doesn't mean they should win but in the situation that you're explaining I can understand why you would be upset with the outcome.
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@htonsecurity5x said in perfect perfect double plays:
Ok here’s a question. I had a PP fly all with mantle 20 degree launch angle, 106 exit velo and it was a fly out to 10 feet before the track
I think people on both sides of the arguments can agree thet PP flyballs with power hitters should pretty much always be homeruns (unless it's at Polo grounds). The argument is more about perfect line drives and grounders.
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@bayareaj1991 said in perfect perfect double plays:
@a_perfectgame said in perfect perfect double plays:
@bayareaj1991 said in perfect perfect double plays:
@a_perfectgame said in perfect perfect double plays:
@bayareaj1991 said in perfect perfect double plays:
@jcassaro44_psn said in perfect perfect double plays:
If people enjoy not be being rewarded and say its cool, then fine, i wont judge... But it's hard to keep playing this game and constantly square up balls and watch them find gloves time and time again.
No one enjoys not being rewarded when you get a perfect-perfect but what we're saying is that we understand that that is just how baseball works. Anyone who believes they should be rewarded every time they do something perfectly just needs to honestly stay away from anything that has to do with baseball because that's just not how baseball works.
You aren’t Mike trout. Mike trout doesnt flail at pitches in the dirt. Check swing 40 times a game and foul off 40 balls 15 feet out of the zone until he gets a meatball mistake 0-2 down the middle that he was already going to swing at because (what do you know) he swings at every pitch.
This isn’t a baseball simulation it’s a competitive baseball game and user input should reign supreme in a video game. Perfect perfect outs should be about 5% if that. The only way I would say it should be more is if they completely did away with bad input hits.
I mean that first paragraph is a whole different issue. I do agree with them not allowing all these foul balls. I don't know where I said I believe that that is fine or that I agree that that should be acceptable. As for perfect-perfect outs being 5%, I'm sorry but that is crazy to me. Yes it is a competitive mode but so is the MLB and other baseball leagues and guess what? You get out on perfectly squared up balls. I really don't understand why you would play a baseball game and not want it to simulate real baseball. The people who think like you don't want an actual baseball game. What you want is a mode where both teams get a certain amount of batters each and there are no fielders and it is just simply who ever get's the most perfect-perfects wins. If that's what you want then that's fine but that would be a batting practice mode, not baseball. For the most part, the person with more good inputs is usually going to win. Have I won with less good inputs and lost with more good inputs before? Of course, but for the most part I believe the person with the most good inputs is going to win MOST OF THE TIME as it should be.
Honestly I’m not even annoyed at perfect perfect outs really because they didn’t annoy me in the beta what annoys me about 19 and 20 is out inputting my opponent an entire game while they strike out flailing and then they get a mistake — the perfect perfect outs just add to the misery. Just let the better players win when they play better the person who plays the best should win.
Okay so that I can agree with you with. If you're constantly hitting perfect perfects and the other person strikes out 20 times and flails constantly and wins because the two or three they hit go out then ya that I can understand. I just don't believe that all perfect perfect hits should be hits or that the person with the most perfects should get a guaranteed win. If both players play well and one has a few more perfect perfects that doesn't mean they should win but in the situation that you're explaining I can understand why you would be upset with the outcome.
I don’t constantly hit perfect perfects but it’ll be like good squared, good squared, good squared, perfect perfect, good squared, good squared. And they will all be outs...I find this to be the case on ranked seasons more then anything and yes you are facing better pitchers — but my game style is not to foul 100 pitches out of the zone off. I don’t know. Seems like 18,19, and 20
Have all been geared toward really bad players imo. From what we’ve seen of 21 it seems like they are abandoning that motto...but I guess time will tell.I still think foul tips need to be addressed
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@htonsecurity5x said in perfect perfect double plays:
Ok here’s a question. I had a PP fly all with mantle 20 degree launch angle, 106 exit velo and it was a fly out to 10 feet before the track
Funny part of it was yankee stadium it would die 300 feet if it were comercia it’ll die 400 feet. It’s stupid
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@a_perfectgame said in perfect perfect double plays:
@bayareaj1991 said in perfect perfect double plays:
@jcassaro44_psn said in perfect perfect double plays:
If people enjoy not be being rewarded and say its cool, then fine, i wont judge... But it's hard to keep playing this game and constantly square up balls and watch them find gloves time and time again.
No one enjoys not being rewarded when you get a perfect-perfect but what we're saying is that we understand that that is just how baseball works. Anyone who believes they should be rewarded every time they do something perfectly just needs to honestly stay away from anything that has to do with baseball because that's just not how baseball works.
This isn’t a baseball simulation it’s a competitive baseball game and user input should reign supreme in a video game. Perfect perfect outs should be about 5% if that. The only way I would say it should be more is if they completely did away with bad input hits.
What if the pitcher perfectly nailed his input and it went exactly where it was supposed to go?
What if the defending player set up the field perfectly for the perfect-perfect liner to be caught, or the grounder to be hit right to the SS?
Whose perfection matters more?
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@a_perfectgame said in perfect perfect double plays:
@htonsecurity5x said in perfect perfect double plays:
Ok here’s a question. I had a PP fly all with mantle 20 degree launch angle, 106 exit velo and it was a fly out to 10 feet before the track
Funny part of it was yankee stadium it would die 300 feet if it were comercia it’ll die 400 feet. It’s stupid
It’s like the flyouts are preprogrammed to manipulate the outcome of a game. I have seen good good contacts resulting in pop outs. I’m not kidding you. I said before the current hitting engine needed to improve but after playing for weeks now I can tell you that the game needs a completely new hitting engine. The current hitting engine needs to be nuked from reality.
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One of the hardest hit balls last year was hit right into a double play!! 117 mph exit velocity right to the SS for a routine 6-4-3 DP
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@a_perfectgame said in perfect perfect double plays:
@htonsecurity5x said in perfect perfect double plays:
Ok here’s a question. I had a PP fly all with mantle 20 degree launch angle, 106 exit velo and it was a fly out to 10 feet before the track
Funny part of it was yankee stadium it would die 300 feet if it were comercia it’ll die 400 feet. It’s stupid
I did it again today with Larry walker, at yankee stadium..and my Opponent did it with frank thomas..there was once upon a time where a perfect fly ball with anyone with at least 80
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@htonsecurity5x said in perfect perfect double plays:
@a_perfectgame said in perfect perfect double plays:
@htonsecurity5x said in perfect perfect double plays:
Ok here’s a question. I had a PP fly all with mantle 20 degree launch angle, 106 exit velo and it was a fly out to 10 feet before the track
Funny part of it was yankee stadium it would die 300 feet if it were comercia it’ll die 400 feet. It’s stupid
I did it again today with Larry walker, at yankee stadium..and my Opponent did it with frank thomas..there was once upon a time where a perfect fly ball with anyone with at least 80
Power it was pretty much a guaranteed bombYankee Stadium sucks. I had 2 perfect perfect contacts with Seager not leaving the field. Do not choose this ballpark for online play.
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@killerpresence4 said in perfect perfect double plays:
One of the hardest hit balls last year was hit right into a double play!! 117 mph exit velocity right to the SS for a routine 6-4-3 DP
I understand what you are saying about realism but like I’ve said before. The point is not if “it happens”. The point is this is a video game
And when one player flails at every pitch. Fouls off anything thrown for 12 pitch at bats. Check swings and strikes out. And the other player works counts and squares up balls... the rewarded player is the player that isnt making the better inputs. That’s just the reality. You can talk realism until you are blue in the face but until players follow that realism with their gameplay it’s not about realism...it’s about the player with the BETTER OVERALL INPUTS — should be the player with more success.
It’s like I’ve seen ppl have no idea what they are looking at get mistakes in the middle and crush the ball. That’s not a big deal...it’s a run it happens. What makes it annoying is the 15 lineouts before and after that.
Drop the “thats baseball” nonsense. It’s not baseball to flail at every pitch you see.
