Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...
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@TheGoaler_PSN said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
A lot of people liked the 7 inning doubleheader. Myself included.
The runner on 2nd is odd, but who wants 20 inning games? There would be some long extra inning games for sure. MLB doesn't want that.
SDS should add the runner in 2nd in extras as well, but keep it out of DD like the DH.Runner on 2nd after 12 innings imo
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A question for all the statheads:
Would it still be a perfect game if the only runner was on due to the "extra inning rule". The pither(s) could still face the minimum amount of batters, not letting anyone reach base successfully, and even give up a run or lose. It would be no fault of the pitcher to face the previous 27, and allow a sacrifice, and sac fly/squeeze to score the run.
This is a question we have debated for years in fastpitch softball with the runner starting on second. Common sense says no, but technically, the pitcher never allowed anyone to reach base.
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@formallyforearms said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
A question for all the statheads:
Would it still be a perfect game if the only runner was on due to the "extra inning rule". The pither(s) could still face the minimum amount of batters, not letting anyone reach base successfully, and even give up a run or lose. It would be no fault of the pitcher to face the previous 27, and allow a sacrifice, and sac fly/squeeze to score the run.
This is a question we have debated for years in fastpitch softball with the runner starting on second. Common sense says no, but technically, the pitcher never allowed anyone to reach base.
No. As soon as the runner is added to 2b, the perfecto is lost.
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@Ikasnu_PSN said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@formallyforearms said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
A question for all the statheads:
Would it still be a perfect game if the only runner was on due to the "extra inning rule". The pither(s) could still face the minimum amount of batters, not letting anyone reach base successfully, and even give up a run or lose. It would be no fault of the pitcher to face the previous 27, and allow a sacrifice, and sac fly/squeeze to score the run.
This is a question we have debated for years in fastpitch softball with the runner starting on second. Common sense says no, but technically, the pitcher never allowed anyone to reach base.
No. As soon as the runner is added to 2b, the perfecto is lost.
But if they retired every batter they faced for the entirity of the game, isnt that the definition of perfection?
So I did check into it earlier, and found this statement from 2018:
MLB's Vice President of Stats Cory Schwartz reached out with a Tweet to clarify that auto-runners do not count to eliminate a perfect game by their understanding, even if that is counter to the official MLB definition of a perfect game
Also, found this article:
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/2606025/under-mlbs-2020-rules-a-pitcher-could-throw-a-perfect-game-and-loseIt seems counter intuitive, and that is why it is interesting to discuss or argue about it.
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@formallyforearms said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
A question for all the statheads:
Would it still be a perfect game if the only runner was on due to the "extra inning rule". The pither(s) could still face the minimum amount of batters, not letting anyone reach base successfully, and even give up a run or lose. It would be no fault of the pitcher to face the previous 27, and allow a sacrifice, and sac fly/squeeze to score the run.
This is a question we have debated for years in fastpitch softball with the runner starting on second. Common sense says no, but technically, the pitcher never allowed anyone to reach base.
I fail to see why this wouldn't still be a perfect game. Your performance as a pitcher was still perfect in that you faced and retired the minimum number of batter possible under the rules of the game. Just because the rules say a runner starts on 2nd in the 10th doesn't somehow negate the fact that your inputs to the outcome were flawless.
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@Dino-might_not said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
what a stupid rule it is
I agree man. That runner on 2nd is pretty much guaranteed to score. At least make it LITTLE bit tougher. Like runner first, or don't start until the 12th inning.
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It’s a terrible rule imo.. idk why they’re keeping it
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@Guavacado12_PSN said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@Dino-might_not said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
what a stupid rule it is
I agree man. That runner on 2nd is pretty much guaranteed to score. At least make it LITTLE bit tougher. Like runner first, or don't start until the 12th inning.
If they’re almost guaranteed to score for the away team, then they’re almost guaranteed to score for the home team as well. Except 2/3 of the time one of them won’t, or won’t score as many
Looks like 68% of the extra innings games last year were decided in the 10th.I don’t know about you but if I’m going to watch at least 140 games a year, I would like to spend under 3 1/2 hours a day doing so. I’ve got work to do. My wife would appreciate it too.
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@formallyforearms said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
A question for all the statheads:
Would it still be a perfect game if the only runner was on due to the "extra inning rule". The pither(s) could still face the minimum amount of batters, not letting anyone reach base successfully, and even give up a run or lose. It would be no fault of the pitcher to face the previous 27, and allow a sacrifice, and sac fly/squeeze to score the run.
This is a question we have debated for years in fastpitch softball with the runner starting on second. Common sense says no, but technically, the pitcher never allowed anyone to reach base.
So, the way I'm reading this, the only way a runner could score and a pitcher faces 30 batters and gets 30 consecutive outs (Not 27 cause this is an Extra Innings situations so the pitcher would have to pitch 10 innings) would be on throwing errors...I.E. Pickoff attempts, Past Balls, Wild Pitches...correct?? So an E would negate a perfect game.
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@GixxerRyder750 said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@formallyforearms said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
A question for all the statheads:
Would it still be a perfect game if the only runner was on due to the "extra inning rule". The pither(s) could still face the minimum amount of batters, not letting anyone reach base successfully, and even give up a run or lose. It would be no fault of the pitcher to face the previous 27, and allow a sacrifice, and sac fly/squeeze to score the run.
This is a question we have debated for years in fastpitch softball with the runner starting on second. Common sense says no, but technically, the pitcher never allowed anyone to reach base.
So, the way I'm reading this, the only way a runner could score and a pitcher faces 30 batters and gets 30 consecutive outs (Not 27 cause this is an Extra Innings situations so the pitcher would have to pitch 10 innings) would be on throwing errors...I.E. Pickoff attempts, Past Balls, Wild Pitches...correct?? So an E would negate a perfect game.
Sac bunt -> Runner on 3rd.
Sac fly to RF -> Runner scores
KLose 0-1 0/0/0.
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@Ikasnu_PSN said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@GixxerRyder750 said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@formallyforearms said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
A question for all the statheads:
Would it still be a perfect game if the only runner was on due to the "extra inning rule". The pither(s) could still face the minimum amount of batters, not letting anyone reach base successfully, and even give up a run or lose. It would be no fault of the pitcher to face the previous 27, and allow a sacrifice, and sac fly/squeeze to score the run.
This is a question we have debated for years in fastpitch softball with the runner starting on second. Common sense says no, but technically, the pitcher never allowed anyone to reach base.
So, the way I'm reading this, the only way a runner could score and a pitcher faces 30 batters and gets 30 consecutive outs (Not 27 cause this is an Extra Innings situations so the pitcher would have to pitch 10 innings) would be on throwing errors...I.E. Pickoff attempts, Past Balls, Wild Pitches...correct?? So an E would negate a perfect game.
Sac bunt -> Runner on 3rd.
Sac fly to RF -> Runner scores
KLose 0-1 0/0/0.
Dang i'm dumb...
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@GixxerRyder750 said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@Ikasnu_PSN said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@GixxerRyder750 said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@formallyforearms said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
A question for all the statheads:
Would it still be a perfect game if the only runner was on due to the "extra inning rule". The pither(s) could still face the minimum amount of batters, not letting anyone reach base successfully, and even give up a run or lose. It would be no fault of the pitcher to face the previous 27, and allow a sacrifice, and sac fly/squeeze to score the run.
This is a question we have debated for years in fastpitch softball with the runner starting on second. Common sense says no, but technically, the pitcher never allowed anyone to reach base.
So, the way I'm reading this, the only way a runner could score and a pitcher faces 30 batters and gets 30 consecutive outs (Not 27 cause this is an Extra Innings situations so the pitcher would have to pitch 10 innings) would be on throwing errors...I.E. Pickoff attempts, Past Balls, Wild Pitches...correct?? So an E would negate a perfect game.
Sac bunt -> Runner on 3rd.
Sac fly to RF -> Runner scores
KLose 0-1 0/0/0.
Dang i'm dumb...
Hey me too! high fives
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@Ikasnu_PSN said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@GixxerRyder750 said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@Ikasnu_PSN said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@GixxerRyder750 said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@formallyforearms said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
A question for all the statheads:
Would it still be a perfect game if the only runner was on due to the "extra inning rule". The pither(s) could still face the minimum amount of batters, not letting anyone reach base successfully, and even give up a run or lose. It would be no fault of the pitcher to face the previous 27, and allow a sacrifice, and sac fly/squeeze to score the run.
This is a question we have debated for years in fastpitch softball with the runner starting on second. Common sense says no, but technically, the pitcher never allowed anyone to reach base.
So, the way I'm reading this, the only way a runner could score and a pitcher faces 30 batters and gets 30 consecutive outs (Not 27 cause this is an Extra Innings situations so the pitcher would have to pitch 10 innings) would be on throwing errors...I.E. Pickoff attempts, Past Balls, Wild Pitches...correct?? So an E would negate a perfect game.
Sac bunt -> Runner on 3rd.
Sac fly to RF -> Runner scores
KLose 0-1 0/0/0.
Dang i'm dumb...
Hey me too! high fives
Self Burn! Those are rare!
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@jz2016cubs_PSN said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@Ikasnu_PSN said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@GixxerRyder750 said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@Ikasnu_PSN said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@GixxerRyder750 said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@formallyforearms said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
A question for all the statheads:
Would it still be a perfect game if the only runner was on due to the "extra inning rule". The pither(s) could still face the minimum amount of batters, not letting anyone reach base successfully, and even give up a run or lose. It would be no fault of the pitcher to face the previous 27, and allow a sacrifice, and sac fly/squeeze to score the run.
This is a question we have debated for years in fastpitch softball with the runner starting on second. Common sense says no, but technically, the pitcher never allowed anyone to reach base.
So, the way I'm reading this, the only way a runner could score and a pitcher faces 30 batters and gets 30 consecutive outs (Not 27 cause this is an Extra Innings situations so the pitcher would have to pitch 10 innings) would be on throwing errors...I.E. Pickoff attempts, Past Balls, Wild Pitches...correct?? So an E would negate a perfect game.
Sac bunt -> Runner on 3rd.
Sac fly to RF -> Runner scores
KLose 0-1 0/0/0.
Dang i'm dumb...
Hey me too! high fives
Self Burn! Those are rare!
I spit facts.
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@Red_Ted_is_back said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@Guavacado12_PSN said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@Dino-might_not said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
what a stupid rule it is
I agree man. That runner on 2nd is pretty much guaranteed to score. At least make it LITTLE bit tougher. Like runner first, or don't start until the 12th inning.
If they’re almost guaranteed to score for the away team, then they’re almost guaranteed to score for the home team as well. Except 2/3 of the time one of them won’t, or won’t score as many
Looks like 68% of the extra innings games last year were decided in the 10th.I don’t know about you but if I’m going to watch at least 140 games a year, I would like to spend under 3 1/2 hours a day doing so. I’ve got work to do. My wife would appreciate it too.
I get that but putting the runner on first would still significantly shorten games.
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Just more examples of how rob manfred is killing the game but acts like he doesn't know what is going on.
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@Guavacado12_PSN said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@Red_Ted_is_back said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@Guavacado12_PSN said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@Dino-might_not said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
what a stupid rule it is
I agree man. That runner on 2nd is pretty much guaranteed to score. At least make it LITTLE bit tougher. Like runner first, or don't start until the 12th inning.
If they’re almost guaranteed to score for the away team, then they’re almost guaranteed to score for the home team as well. Except 2/3 of the time one of them won’t, or won’t score as many
Looks like 68% of the extra innings games last year were decided in the 10th.I don’t know about you but if I’m going to watch at least 140 games a year, I would like to spend under 3 1/2 hours a day doing so. I’ve got work to do. My wife would appreciate it too.
I get that but putting the runner on first would still significantly shorten games.
Yeah but then you run the risk of 2 AB innings. Double play + K and only two guys get in the batters box.
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@Ikasnu_PSN said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@GixxerRyder750 said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
@formallyforearms said in Now that we know the "Runner on 2nd in Extras" is in play again for 2021...:
A question for all the statheads:
Would it still be a perfect game if the only runner was on due to the "extra inning rule". The pither(s) could still face the minimum amount of batters, not letting anyone reach base successfully, and even give up a run or lose. It would be no fault of the pitcher to face the previous 27, and allow a sacrifice, and sac fly/squeeze to score the run.
This is a question we have debated for years in fastpitch softball with the runner starting on second. Common sense says no, but technically, the pitcher never allowed anyone to reach base.
So, the way I'm reading this, the only way a runner could score and a pitcher faces 30 batters and gets 30 consecutive outs (Not 27 cause this is an Extra Innings situations so the pitcher would have to pitch 10 innings) would be on throwing errors...I.E. Pickoff attempts, Past Balls, Wild Pitches...correct?? So an E would negate a perfect game.
Sac bunt -> Runner on 3rd.
Sac fly to RF -> Runner scores
KLose 0-1 0/0/0.
I didn’t have the privilege of watching many games last year let alone extra innings games, but I am curious; was this attempted by any teams? Or will it become an ‘unwritten rule’ not to do this (ie sac bunt, sac fly), no-hitter or otherwise?
Of course, there will be next to no possibility of a pitcher IRL carrying a no hitter into the 10th.
Doesn’t stop it in-game though, not even the CPU could resist:
MLB The Show RTTS Dallas Keuchel no hitter broken up in 10th inning by Red Ted!
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