Shippett broke The Show this year
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@Boneman05 said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
I just dont see how thye broke pitching so badly this year. Last year I would strike out well over 10 a game and maybe give up one run this year its maybe 6-8k and 3-4 runs and that is with better guys than I had last year
Idk what types of players u were playing last year, but I think strikeouts were actually way harder to come by last year without outlier and with bigger pci. Last year, when really locked in, I’d strike out maybe once a game on legend and sometimes none. This year I def strike out way more and I think my opponents strike out more too. Just my experience tho. I think the pitching was atrocious last year too
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Last night I threw Sale against a team of all prestiged cards, plus 99 Belli and 99 Seager, all with .300+ averages outside of one card. He was the home team and picked Coors and I recorded 17 K's, 3 hits, and 1 ER (Seager HR). You can get K's this year, but you've gotta be fooling guys on the pitch mix and location really good. Oddly though, it was one of the rare games that my input was going where I wanted 95% of the time. I probably had 3 hanging pitches and they weren't terrible hangers dead center. His HR was actually on a well located pitch.
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I get we all want this game to be as realistic as possible, but for Pete’s sake guys this is still a video game. Could just be me but I’ve played TONS of 3-1, 4-3, 3-2 games at Shippett, most times it just seems like the luck of the draw. Fluky stuff happens in real baseball as well, it just seems people constantly need something to complain about
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I’d just like to be able to play a game where I felt like I could control my pitcher, and when I hit the ball, I get a good result more often than not.
I’m not in the mlb, or minor leagues. Hell, I probably would warm the bench on a beer league team. I don’t play a baseball video game to practice patience and take pitches, or to watch my pin point control Diamond pitcher walk the leadoff guy.
Yes, those things are part of baseball, but I want to play video game baseball.
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Everything that is being complained about in this thread is merely symptomatic of the direction and standard of gameplay this year, with hitting being way overpowered to the point that pitching feels almost completely irrelevant. Of course, if the worst flaw in gameplay this year is a terrible imbalance that forces offense to be heavily favoured over pitching and defense, then playing at parks like Shippet will exacerbate the issue to an extreme point, where it becomes completely ridiculous. I’ve stopped playing altogether already, it wasn’t a conscious decision, where I decided I was done, it just petered out as I lost interest in the awful gameplay and generic content where everybody had 125 everything regardless of what rating they actually deserve.
Despite suffering from issues that are caused by effects that are almost exactly the polar opposite of everything that was wrong with ‘18 - This years game is the biggest failure since ‘18 and being honest, if they intentionally tried to make the worst baseball game ever, they probably still wouldn’t churn out anything half as bad as ‘18. ‘18 had no useable content, this year has too much unrealistically juiced content, ‘18 awarded almost no stubs for just playing, this year awards too many stubs for doing too little, ‘18 had nerfed offense and woefully ineffective pitching, this years game has overpowered offense which similarly renders pitching woefully inefffective......
Is a little balance in all things, from content to gameplay, too big of an ask from a team who have the relative experience in development and access to resources available to SDS? I’m disappointed and justifiably so. When you’re reselling the same game year after year with remixed content, it’s not an unrealistic expectation that the base of the product, the foundations upon which the game is built and then rebuilt year after year, would be in good standing, given that it’s remained unchanged forever. That’s not the case, not only do we see the same broken, unbalanced game from year to year, it’s also feeling rather dated these days and like a obviously reused product with updated card art. My expectations are pretty low for ‘21 at this point and yet, I somehow feel I will still be inevitably disappointed with the quality of gameplay and reused parts from old editions that never really worked well from day one. Yikes.
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@eatyum said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
@Boneman05 said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
I just dont see how thye broke pitching so badly this year. Last year I would strike out well over 10 a game and maybe give up one run this year its maybe 6-8k and 3-4 runs and that is with better guys than I had last year
Strikeouts are way up over 19, i never maintained any pitcher with a k/9 over 9 in 19, now I have guys that have 12-14 K/9 stats.
To address this specific point after the negative tone of my last post, I’ve said many times on the forum this year that finally, pitch speeds and differentials are in a good place. Swing timing windows have been fairly well executed, if a little demanding at times (connection issues?) and consistently maintained from patch to patch. This does make it possible to strikeout batters if you mix it up and change speed. That’s something they got right, but that just makes it all the more frustrating that they ruined it anyway with oversized outer PCI, failure to reward consistently accurate hitting input over seemingly at times random hits, errors and home runs and of course, worst of all, the randomly hanging pitches on relatively good input, which absolutely ruins any improvements and gains made in relation to the quality of the pitching experience. Had they given us absolute input based pitching accuracy and toned down the opportunity for contact on badly timed and inaccurate swings, I would have been delighted if they allowed .833 BA on perfect/perfect swings and .565 on good/good or whatever they advertised early in the year (only to nerf it with stealth adjustments later in the year).
However, the focus on rewarding perfect/perfect at a high rate was rendered unworkable by the simple fact it was too easy to attain a perfect or good swing. That was the cardinal error that led to all the other adjustments, which in turn led to gameplay feeling extremely random and unrelated to input and realistically expected outcomes.
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@mitchhammond24 said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
@MarinerMatt01 said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
@mitchhammond24 said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
Casuals have hated shippett for years and top players have played there for years this isn’t a new thing this year lol.
I’ve been playing this game for years. Never made ws but can consistently make cs so I wouldn’t consider myself to be a causal. While “top” players having been playing here for years, it hasn’t led to the type of problems as playing at this stadium has this year.
You can argue that, but I’ve seen a lot of players complaining about shippett since 18. There has been a gradual increase in home hunting throughout the years as people become more aware that it’s possible. I don’t home hunt myself, I find it quite annoying.
The pitching has been atrocious since 18, so that’s not really any different. I personally have not noticed a change in pitching since 18. 18, 19, and 20 have all been ridiculous with early home runs as well, so I’m really not seeing what makes shippett worse this year. Aside from possibly more people playing there.
If anything, shippett is more balanced this year than prior years such as 18 bc 18 had wind, which was very broken if blowing out. 19 had a lot more lineouts, which imo made people believe that the pitching was better.
You have a good point that the lineouts made pitching feel better than last year. There’s definitely some truth there. I think pitching is still a lot different this year though. The strike zone is way tighter- I still remember the frustration and disbelief I had in the weeks post-launch at the inability to hit corners, and the endless balls that sailed down the middle regardless of your input. That happened a bit last year but nowhere near the extent it does this year.
I started to passively keep track of “good input/bad result” pitching while playing ranked this weekend. I had multiple innings of 7 or more “perfect input/ball goes nowhere near the target.” And I don’t mean pitches that were slightly off. I mean for example cutters on the edge away that sail a foot or more outside. Sliders in the dirt that hang in the zone. Fastballs at their neck that stay in the zone. And the inevitable “so perfectly in the middle of the zone it might as well be on an invisible tee” that happens at least once every inning.
So yeah I think it took a big step back this year.
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@Dino-might_not said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
@mitchhammond24 said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
@MarinerMatt01 said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
@mitchhammond24 said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
Casuals have hated shippett for years and top players have played there for years this isn’t a new thing this year lol.
I’ve been playing this game for years. Never made ws but can consistently make cs so I wouldn’t consider myself to be a causal. While “top” players having been playing here for years, it hasn’t led to the type of problems as playing at this stadium has this year.
You can argue that, but I’ve seen a lot of players complaining about shippett since 18. There has been a gradual increase in home hunting throughout the years as people become more aware that it’s possible. I don’t home hunt myself, I find it quite annoying.
The pitching has been atrocious since 18, so that’s not really any different. I personally have not noticed a change in pitching since 18. 18, 19, and 20 have all been ridiculous with early home runs as well, so I’m really not seeing what makes shippett worse this year. Aside from possibly more people playing there.
If anything, shippett is more balanced this year than prior years such as 18 bc 18 had wind, which was very broken if blowing out. 19 had a lot more lineouts, which imo made people believe that the pitching was better.
You have a good point that the lineouts made pitching feel better than last year. There’s definitely some truth there. I think pitching is still a lot different this year though. The strike zone is way tighter- I still remember the frustration and disbelief I had in the weeks post-launch at the inability to hit corners, and the endless balls that sailed down the middle regardless of your input. That happened a bit last year but nowhere near the extent it does this year.
I started to passively keep track of “good input/bad result” pitching while playing ranked this weekend. I had multiple innings of 7 or more “perfect input/ball goes nowhere near the target.” And I don’t mean pitches that were slightly off. I mean for example cutters on the edge away that sail a foot or more outside. Sliders in the dirt that hang in the zone. Fastballs at their neck that stay in the zone. And the inevitable “so perfectly in the middle of the zone it might as well be on an invisible tee” that happens at least once every inning.
So yeah I think it took a big step back this year.
All of those things you described happened at just as high of a rate last year imo. And I think all of those things have been happening a ton since 18. So ig we have to agree to disagree bc we obv have different opinions on the pitching in previous years.
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@mitchhammond24 said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
@Dino-might_not said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
@mitchhammond24 said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
@MarinerMatt01 said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
@mitchhammond24 said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
Casuals have hated shippett for years and top players have played there for years this isn’t a new thing this year lol.
I’ve been playing this game for years. Never made ws but can consistently make cs so I wouldn’t consider myself to be a causal. While “top” players having been playing here for years, it hasn’t led to the type of problems as playing at this stadium has this year.
You can argue that, but I’ve seen a lot of players complaining about shippett since 18. There has been a gradual increase in home hunting throughout the years as people become more aware that it’s possible. I don’t home hunt myself, I find it quite annoying.
The pitching has been atrocious since 18, so that’s not really any different. I personally have not noticed a change in pitching since 18. 18, 19, and 20 have all been ridiculous with early home runs as well, so I’m really not seeing what makes shippett worse this year. Aside from possibly more people playing there.
If anything, shippett is more balanced this year than prior years such as 18 bc 18 had wind, which was very broken if blowing out. 19 had a lot more lineouts, which imo made people believe that the pitching was better.
You have a good point that the lineouts made pitching feel better than last year. There’s definitely some truth there. I think pitching is still a lot different this year though. The strike zone is way tighter- I still remember the frustration and disbelief I had in the weeks post-launch at the inability to hit corners, and the endless balls that sailed down the middle regardless of your input. That happened a bit last year but nowhere near the extent it does this year.
I started to passively keep track of “good input/bad result” pitching while playing ranked this weekend. I had multiple innings of 7 or more “perfect input/ball goes nowhere near the target.” And I don’t mean pitches that were slightly off. I mean for example cutters on the edge away that sail a foot or more outside. Sliders in the dirt that hang in the zone. Fastballs at their neck that stay in the zone. And the inevitable “so perfectly in the middle of the zone it might as well be on an invisible tee” that happens at least once every inning.
So yeah I think it took a big step back this year.
All of those things you described happened at just as high of a rate last year imo. And I think all of those things have been happening a ton since 18. So ig we have to agree to disagree bc we obv have different opinions on the pitching in previous years.
Fair enough.
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@Dino-might_not said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
@mitchhammond24 said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
@MarinerMatt01 said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
@mitchhammond24 said in Shippett broke The Show this year:
Casuals have hated shippett for years and top players have played there for years this isn’t a new thing this year lol.
I’ve been playing this game for years. Never made ws but can consistently make cs so I wouldn’t consider myself to be a causal. While “top” players having been playing here for years, it hasn’t led to the type of problems as playing at this stadium has this year.
You can argue that, but I’ve seen a lot of players complaining about shippett since 18. There has been a gradual increase in home hunting throughout the years as people become more aware that it’s possible. I don’t home hunt myself, I find it quite annoying.
The pitching has been atrocious since 18, so that’s not really any different. I personally have not noticed a change in pitching since 18. 18, 19, and 20 have all been ridiculous with early home runs as well, so I’m really not seeing what makes shippett worse this year. Aside from possibly more people playing there.
If anything, shippett is more balanced this year than prior years such as 18 bc 18 had wind, which was very broken if blowing out. 19 had a lot more lineouts, which imo made people believe that the pitching was better.
You have a good point that the lineouts made pitching feel better than last year. There’s definitely some truth there. I think pitching is still a lot different this year though. The strike zone is way tighter- I still remember the frustration and disbelief I had in the weeks post-launch at the inability to hit corners, and the endless balls that sailed down the middle regardless of your input. That happened a bit last year but nowhere near the extent it does this year.
I started to passively keep track of “good input/bad result” pitching while playing ranked this weekend. I had multiple innings of 7 or more “perfect input/ball goes nowhere near the target.” And I don’t mean pitches that were slightly off. I mean for example cutters on the edge away that sail a foot or more outside. Sliders in the dirt that hang in the zone. Fastballs at their neck that stay in the zone. And the inevitable “so perfectly in the middle of the zone it might as well be on an invisible tee” that happens at least once every inning.
So yeah I think it took a big step back this year.
I started actually saving the video clips with the share button every time something felt off. Upon replaying the videos in slow motion, it was crystal clear that pitches with good - And at times perfect! - input were missing the intended target by a good margin and in dangerous locations out over the plate a lot of the time. This was happening with pitchers who have high control and BB/9 stats and good confidence, both overall and in that individual pitch at that stage of the game. The pitchers in question were not tired when this occurred. Soon after I pretty much stopped playing. Seeing the evidence there that I wasn’t fooling myself by focusing on negative aspects of the game, knowing the game was absolutely out of my control and it wasn’t merely confirmation bias, I had absolutely zero motivation to play on. At this point I haven’t played anything on my PS4 for around two weeks, as the Show is all I play and I’m questioning the value in even buying a PS5 to play ‘21. It’s been an appalling year for the franchise if you care about the core gameplay over being handed a wealth of excess stubs and packs, or being dazzled by juiced cards that don’t change the awful execution of basic game mechanics in the least.
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