How do we feel about moments?
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Yesterday I played a RIB showdown and a conquest. I actually failed the showdown by a single run, although it wasn’t possible to fail the conquest even for me, lol. Here’s a short highlight reel of some of the outstanding plays made by the CPU controlled opponents in just one attempt at each.
https://twitter.com/sweedy1407/status/1310171447730601995?s=21
And a personal favourite of mine, the perfect/perfect foul ball. Obviously.
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@ComebackLogic said in How do we feel about moments?:
Everything is moments these days, or a variation of moments, such as Showdown. I was thinking about the days before the moments concept existed in DD, when missions were to be completed in regular play, either against the CPU or H2H. While I’m not a fan of moments, mostly due to the fact I think they’re pretty much rigged, I wasn’t a huge fan of the old method of loading up your line up with grind cards and facing the Rockies on rookie either.
While it seems like a more sensible, streamlined approach to set you a task and then have you right there with the player to attempt to complete only that specific task, the reality is that you’re trapped in that moment until the game allows you to proceed. That’s my main issue with moments, they don’t feel like a skill based challenge, where you’ll succeed based on your ability, they feel like a time sink where you’ll be allowed to progress as and when the programming dictates you will progress. The Willie Mays level fielding from bad to average defensive players and the absolute flat refusal of the AI pitchers to play along with the script at times (Beaning batters with one hit left in a mission to get 4 hits including 3 XBH etc) would be a huge factor in this take.
I also just think they’ve taken the concept too far at this point. POTM is moments, Topps Now is moments, Showdown is just moments with a twist and the draft element of BR bolted on, player programs are predominantly moments.......
It would be nice if we saw something a little more imaginative in terms of mission design next year, I feel like I’ve been in a moment that represents every possible situation in baseball over the past two years. Not to mention some of these magical moments truly do last a lifetime. Or so it feels.
You described moments perfectly. On my first attempt at the Gehrig’s 4xbh moment, I hit three straight homers and would have completed it but Gleybar opted not to run to third on a laser to the gap. So, he and Lou both stood at second and looked at each other. After that, it took hours and hours to complete. Eventually, it decided to let me finish it, and it was the easiest thing in the world. I love the idea of moments. I think it’s cool to relive some of these historic moments, but SDS has decided to use them as a tool to drag out our gameplay experience instead of making them something enjoyable.
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My wife laughs at me because I cuss and yell at the tv. I tell her she just doesnt understand the bs that is Showdowns and Moments. My 7yrold sat n watched cuz my wife told me the game wasnt cheating me I just sucked. He witnessed a robbed HR, a diving catch, and the computer deciding to steal with my 49speed catcher during the Kershaw boss showdown. I even had a runner on 2nd down 14-15 w/9outs left. I hit a perfect shallow fly to right( so much for perfect) and the computer decided since I wasnt going to press L1 to tag up it was going to do it for me. Luckily i knew that was gonna happen so I had my finger on R1 n barely got back to 2nd. I guess it was luck or maybe it was the game congratulating me on avoiding the f@#kery but I was able to hit a 2 run shot with 2 outs remaining.
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I like moments... And showdown. Frustrating. But I get em
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@ustoopid2 said in How do we feel about moments?:
My wife laughs at me because I cuss and yell at the tv. I tell her she just doesnt understand the bs that is Showdowns and Moments. My 7yrold sat n watched cuz my wife told me the game wasnt cheating me I just sucked. He witnessed a robbed HR, a diving catch, and the computer deciding to steal with my 49speed catcher during the Kershaw boss showdown. I even had a runner on 2nd down 14-15 w/9outs left. I hit a perfect shallow fly to right( so much for perfect) and the computer decided since I wasnt going to press L1 to tag up it was going to do it for me. Luckily i knew that was gonna happen so I had my finger on R1 n barely got back to 2nd. I guess it was luck or maybe it was the game congratulating me on avoiding the f@#kery but I was able to hit a 2 run shot with 2 outs remaining.
I've never once had the computer force my runner to move(excluding those weird hits). I never have the feeling of "rigged" in moments or showdown. I get mad. But its not because some conspiracy against me. Ive completed hundreds of the showdowns. And almost all the moments i could hace besides a couple player programs.
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I just finished the Yelich 3 HR for extreme. It was the last thing I needed. It took me about 12 hours to complete.
2 things come from this....
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When I finally finished it, I felt no joy, no elation, no “Yeeessssss!” moment, just relief. No happiness for having done something difficult.
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Because each at-bat is important, and that, in the 3 HR mission, a single is the same as a double is the same as a triple is the same as a walk is the same as a HPB is the same as an out, I find that I have reverted to a worse version of myself, a version that swings at everything, that swings at balls on a 3-0 count to stretch the at-bat. You should come out of these as a better player, not a worse one.
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I hate them.
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@cavalier_0013 said in How do we feel about moments?:
I just finished the Yelich 3 HR for extreme. It was the last thing I needed. It took me about 12 hours to complete.
2 things come from this....
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When I finally finished it, I felt no joy, no elation, no “Yeeessssss!” moment, just relief. No happiness for having done something difficult.
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Because each at-bat is important, and that, in the 3 HR mission, a single is the same as a double is the same as a triple is the same as a walk is the same as a HPB is the same as an out, I find that I have reverted to a worse version of myself, a version that swings at everything, that swings at balls on a 3-0 count to stretch the at-bat. You should come out of these as a better player, not a worse one.
This is the main outcome I don’t like from playing moments , it makes you a worse player. Quality thread here
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Can't stand them at all, when you beat them you just sigh and move on. Does not feel like you accomplished anything at all. When you lose over and over it's frustrating beyond belief, either way it just feels like a massive waste of time. I want to play full games but they have locked so much content behind moments and showdown.
The whole point of DD is the card collecting, give me reasons to use the cards I have collected, let me play with my team.
Even conquest just feels so monetenous at this point having to sim games and sim games and sim games. so sick of time waste.
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I like moments. I love extreme moments. I like showdown.
I neither like nor love stat grind missions, personally.
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Met my match with this Kyle H. 3xbh moment. So for now, I am back to really hating them and the behind the scenes scripting. The parade of crappy Blue Jay relievers that would normally get destroyed on “veteran” somehow pitch like diamonds in this moment or walk you. Awful.
And yet I keep trying.....
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I used to be able to tolerate moments but now they’ve just become so repetitive. For the player programs it’s always the same few things. For the recent Ripken program for example it was get 2 hits and a HR three different times in the same program.
And some of the other moments are just bizarre. Like get 3 hits in a game with 50 contact Mitch Garver, or hit a home run with 50 power Shane Victorino.
And then of course you are always doing it against some pitcher that throws 10 straight offspeed pitches in the dirt and you have to swing to try to avoid a walk. And in between those ten pitches he’s throwing over to first 6 times for a runner that has no purpose at all being in the mission in the first place. And if you do hit the ball and it’s an out you have to sit and watch your guy walk back to the dugout while the other runner on third tries to run home before you can restart it.
After a while it all becomes just so monotonous.
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[censored] Higashioka man. This mission might as well just say hit 3 HR cause this slow as mother is not legging out any doubles.
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Finished Ripkin yesterday and man does that card suck. Only did it to get the 25 stars. He will never break my lineup.
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@TEXAS10PT said in How do we feel about moments?:
Finished Ripkin yesterday and man does that card suck. Only did it to get the 25 stars. He will never break my lineup.
Put him on my 1990s squad. He’s hitting a spectacular .100 (1-10) so far.
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If CPU pitchers on veteran difficulty actually threw fastballs in the zone they would be a lot less frustrating. Almost every at bat starts with 2 offspeed way down in the zone when I need XBHs. It's stupid.
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Moments are awful! There is nothing more boring or a waste of time than spending sometimes 20 minutes trying to hit a HR or trying to get three hits with a HR. complete waste of time. I'd rather play a full 9 inning game. I said it on another thread. Moments and showdown can take a walk off a cliff.
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@nymets1987 said in How do we feel about moments?:
@James97M said in How do we feel about moments?:
I actually prefer moments. Better to me than grinding 1000 innings with a certain team vs cpu. That sh!t is boring af.
I don’t mind the grind but what I do mind is 3 xbh with a player. Never can accomplish it
I love the grind. I can’t begin to tell you how much I hate moments. It’s not that fact they are hard just make no [censored] sense sometimes. Very poorly put together.
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F this Yelich moment. its the last thing thats standing between me and Lou. I've probably played it for 8 hours, thousands of times.
Moments are just dumb. Like someone said earlier the Ripkin is a perfect example of just wasting time doing basically the same thing over and over. It doesnt improve your game - it has you swinging at almost everything.At some point it becomes less and less about skill and is just luck. The other moment I struggled on was the Vlad Jr. It got to the point where I just held the stick all the way down and just pressed the button without looking.
I like showdown because unlike moments walks do matter. Maybe next year if you get walked in moments you can re-do the at bat or earn a "continue" if you fail the last at bat.
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Holy [censored] I finally beat it. Again no skill required. I just held the stick down and to the right and waited for that pitch.
Now on to higgy and Anderson. Ughh
