Pitching is the #1 issue this year!
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@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
Rebel hit .400 overall in 17 which had “better pitching”
Just sayin the guy is right, the best players are going to have high averages no matter what pitching is, to say you can’t compare real life to a video game is 100% correct, it will always be easier to hit video game pitching than real life pitching
I really don't care what rebel hit in 17, 18, 19, or this year even. I just care about pitch accuracy getting fixed. Everything else is a matter of opinion.
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@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@Kovz88 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@Kovz88 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@Kovz88 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@Kovz88 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@Gannon_10 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@Liljayne300 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
The hitting is fine. I would even say hitting is good besides the BS line outs on a perfect perfect. Fielding is also not bad besides the outfielders taking too long to throw the ball. But pitching takes the cake as the buggiest glaring issue. It should NOT happen that repeated “Good” timed change ups and curves are 95% hangers. This needs to be addressed! Pitching is half the game it can’t be this broken and random
If you started getting proper results pitching you would start complaining that the hitting is broken and around we go.
That doesn't even make any sense.
Hitting is already broken by allowing poor timing/contact being rewarded for hits on an excessive level. Check swinging feature is broken as well. We should get proper results for pitching based on user input.
Besides, since when do players in MLB consistently hit .400 BA or above throughout the entire season? Nobody. I think Ted Williams was last person to do it back in 1941 if I'm not mistaken. But you find them everywhere across the WS leaderboard largely due to poor pitch accuracy this game has to offer. This is also evident by the poor ERA across WS leaderboard compared to real MLB ERA's.
You cant compare real life numbers to video game numbers. Also the guys at the top would have high averages even without pitches being forced in thr zone. They are all just elite dominant hitters and worry less about pitching and more about outscoring their opponent.
You can't compare real life numbers to video game numbers says who? You? LOL. Isn't that how player card attributes are determined?....based on their real numbers?
I can guarantee you that BA would be effected if there weren't so many pitches forced over the middle of the plate. The difference is that the elite hitters are better at it than everybody else. I'm able to hit pitches for HR's over the middle of the plate too, but not at the level these other guys are doing it.
Yes thats how they get the attributes but honestly if you think comparing video game numbers to real life numbers is a thing you aren't very smart. Also you clearly haven't played anyone thats extremely good because those guys will crush anything that even touches the zone and take anything thats just outside of it. Again, the top players would still have high averages regardless of whether pitch location was perfect. There is a reason people use the phrase "he's putting up video game numbers"
LOL, You meant to say that you're not very smart.
I strictly play RS and have peaked at 836, but average in the 700's. So I've played against plenty of good hitters and players at the WS level, as they still have to go through 700-800 rankings to make it back to WS when season ends.
You're the one who has clearly not played anybody good being that you're predominantly a CPU player who plays probably on Rookie level, who has only dabbed a little bit in RS and BR, and yet here you are talking trash, I find that hilarious.
I have nothing to prove to you so all I'm gonna say is you've done nothing to prove how video game numbers are supposed to mimic real life numbers. Video games are easier than real life.
I'm not disputing the fact that top players would not have high batting averages if pitch accuracy wasn't an issue. What I'm saying is that I believe players would like consistency in gameplay that is realistic and comparable to real life baseball where the user has control and not the game controlling it. In other words, I believe people would much rather be beat by pitches that they had control over than to be beat by pitches that they had no control over, such as pitches that get forced over the middle of the plate. And pitching is just one aspect. There's fielding, hitting (check-swingin), and baserunning issues as well.
Without going in depth with each topic, I'll just use baserunning as an example. I can't tell you how many times I've had runners on base (let's say runners on 1st and 2nd), and then I hit a gapper or even at times a hit off the wall, regardless, it's an obvious base hit, and my lead runner is just standing there clueless despite me hitting L1 and there's a long enough delay before he advances. So instead of scoring (just like in real life), he's standing on 3rd. Or a linedrive that gets hit between infielders, and he dives back to 2nd base unnecessarily on its own instead of automatically advancing, you're telling me that you're ok with that? LOL, ok.
Not sure where you are pulling any of this from. My original argument was that video game stats of players aren't comparable to real life stats. Nowhere did i say gameplay is perfect.
I'm saying that if they fixed pitch accuracy where we were able to hit corner strikes more consistently instead of it hanging or going right down the middle of the plate, then the top players BA probably wouldn't be as high as they are. I'm not disputing that they wouldn't still be high, but more than likely not as high as they are currently. And we probably wouldn't see as many BA in the 400's, not to say that there wouldn't be any, just not as much.
So what your saying is there was no point to come at me with an argument? Pitching needs to be fixed agreed, top guys will still have high averages agreed. If pitching is fixed there average will maybe drop .010-.015 points and they will rip less home runs. Still gonna be higher than real life numbers which is strictly what my original argument was about.
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Also, didn’t lil Jane 300 lose a wager that said he wasn’t supposed to post here anymore?
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@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
Also, didn’t lil Jane 300 lose a wager that said he wasn’t supposed to post here anymore?
Isn't he the one that took over a year to pay off a bet? I'd say he's gone by 2022 at the earliest
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@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
Rebel hit .400 overall in 17 which had “better pitching”
Just sayin the guy is right, the best players are going to have high averages no matter what pitching is, to say you can’t compare real life to a video game is 100% correct, it will always be easier to hit video game pitching than real life pitching
I really don't care what rebel hit in 17, 18, 19, or this year even. I just care about pitch accuracy getting fixed. Everything else is a matter of opinion.
It’s not really opinion but go off lol
Great players are always going to hit no matter what pitching is
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@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
Rebel hit .400 overall in 17 which had “better pitching”
Just sayin the guy is right, the best players are going to have high averages no matter what pitching is, to say you can’t compare real life to a video game is 100% correct, it will always be easier to hit video game pitching than real life pitching
I really don't care what rebel hit in 17, 18, 19, or this year even. I just care about pitch accuracy getting fixed. Everything else is a matter of opinion.
It’s not really opinion but go off lol
Great players are always going to hit no matter what pitching is
You obviously don't know how to read.
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@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
Rebel hit .400 overall in 17 which had “better pitching”
Just sayin the guy is right, the best players are going to have high averages no matter what pitching is, to say you can’t compare real life to a video game is 100% correct, it will always be easier to hit video game pitching than real life pitching
I really don't care what rebel hit in 17, 18, 19, or this year even. I just care about pitch accuracy getting fixed. Everything else is a matter of opinion.
It’s not really opinion but go off lol
Great players are always going to hit no matter what pitching is
You obviously don't know how to read.
Of course I know how to read just like everybody here we’ve been reading your salty complaints all game cycle
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@Kovz88 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
Also, didn’t lil Jane 300 lose a wager that said he wasn’t supposed to post here anymore?
Isn't he the one that took over a year to pay off a bet? I'd say he's gone by 2022 at the earliest
One can hope
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@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@Kovz88 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
Also, didn’t lil Jane 300 lose a wager that said he wasn’t supposed to post here anymore?
Isn't he the one that took over a year to pay off a bet? I'd say he's gone by 2022 at the earliest
One can hope
I'll just let you two lovebirds go at it. I'm done.
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@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@Kovz88 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
Also, didn’t lil Jane 300 lose a wager that said he wasn’t supposed to post here anymore?
Isn't he the one that took over a year to pay off a bet? I'd say he's gone by 2022 at the earliest
One can hope
I'll just let you two lovebirds go at it. I'm done.
You were done before you started. Trying to start an argument about something you actually agree about
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@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@Kovz88 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
Also, didn’t lil Jane 300 lose a wager that said he wasn’t supposed to post here anymore?
Isn't he the one that took over a year to pay off a bet? I'd say he's gone by 2022 at the earliest
One can hope
I'll just let you two lovebirds go at it. I'm done.
Awesome thank you!! Looking forward to your next salty complaint post!
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@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
Rebel hit .400 overall in 17 which had “better pitching”
Just sayin the guy is right, the best players are going to have high averages no matter what pitching is, to say you can’t compare real life to a video game is 100% correct, it will always be easier to hit video game pitching than real life pitching
I really don't care what rebel hit in 17, 18, 19, or this year even. I just care about pitch accuracy getting fixed. Everything else is a matter of opinion.
It’s not really opinion but go off lol
Great players are always going to hit no matter what pitching is
You obviously don't know how to read.
Of course I know how to read just like everybody here we’ve been reading your salty complaints all game cycle
"I'm not disputing the fact that top players would not have high batting averages if pitch accuracy wasn't an issue."....
Yeah, like I said, you don't know how to read.
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@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
Rebel hit .400 overall in 17 which had “better pitching”
Just sayin the guy is right, the best players are going to have high averages no matter what pitching is, to say you can’t compare real life to a video game is 100% correct, it will always be easier to hit video game pitching than real life pitching
I really don't care what rebel hit in 17, 18, 19, or this year even. I just care about pitch accuracy getting fixed. Everything else is a matter of opinion.
It’s not really opinion but go off lol
Great players are always going to hit no matter what pitching is
You obviously don't know how to read.
Of course I know how to read just like everybody here we’ve been reading your salty complaints all game cycle
"I'm not disputing the fact that top players would not have high batting averages if pitch accuracy wasn't an issue."....
Yeah, like I said, you don't know how to read.
Here's the thing, that was what you were originally trying to argue or at least thats how it came across. It sounds like you want a true to life sim which to be honest I would enjoy as well. The problem is it would be a terrible business move because they would eliminate a huge part of their base. So many people already complain about the game being too hard for them, making it more or a sim would just get those people to give up.
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@Kovz88 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
Rebel hit .400 overall in 17 which had “better pitching”
Just sayin the guy is right, the best players are going to have high averages no matter what pitching is, to say you can’t compare real life to a video game is 100% correct, it will always be easier to hit video game pitching than real life pitching
I really don't care what rebel hit in 17, 18, 19, or this year even. I just care about pitch accuracy getting fixed. Everything else is a matter of opinion.
It’s not really opinion but go off lol
Great players are always going to hit no matter what pitching is
You obviously don't know how to read.
Of course I know how to read just like everybody here we’ve been reading your salty complaints all game cycle
"I'm not disputing the fact that top players would not have high batting averages if pitch accuracy wasn't an issue."....
Yeah, like I said, you don't know how to read.
Here's the thing, that was what you were originally trying to argue or at least thats how it came across. It sounds like you want a true to life sim which to be honest I would enjoy as well. The problem is it would be a terrible business move because they would eliminate a huge part of their base. So many people already complain about the game being too hard for them, making it more or a sim would just get those people to give up.
Pitch accuracy was an issue last year that rolled over to being horrendous this year as well.
My whole thing with elite hitters BA may have been a bad example to relate it to real life. But I made sure that I didn't discredit any good hitters and their skill level by saying what I did. My thought was that if pitch accuracy got fixed, that there would be a direct correlation to BA and ERA's. For example, good hitters are going to still be good hitters against any pitch, but they're probably going to be a better hitter against pitches that are on or around the middle of the plate. Is that not a fair statement?
So my belief was that people who are hitting low .400 might be hitting high .300 instead which is still outstanding, but I could be wrong as those are just made up numbers when it comes down to it, I couldn't tell you what a .400 batter would be hitting if pitch accuracy got fixed, it was just my opinion.
But what amazes me is that you would think that gameplay would get fixed, or at minimum, get better as the years go on, but it doesn't feel like that's been the case.
https://forums.theshownation.com/topic/20654/the-current-state-of-sport-simulation-games
The purpose of this link is I completely agree with his statement and in particular the 3rd paragraph.
As for SDS and the whole thing about business that you briefly mentioned is a whole different discussion. But I know I haven't spent a penny more than what I've already paid for the game itself, and would never consider investing any money because of how horrible gameplay is. I would be very interested in knowing how much of a difference or impact it would make on their business if they did fix the gameplay however, which is something that has yet to be done for I don't know how many years past.
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@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@Kovz88 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@onnagood1 said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
@The_Canuckler said in Pitching is the #1 issue this year!:
Rebel hit .400 overall in 17 which had “better pitching”
Just sayin the guy is right, the best players are going to have high averages no matter what pitching is, to say you can’t compare real life to a video game is 100% correct, it will always be easier to hit video game pitching than real life pitching
I really don't care what rebel hit in 17, 18, 19, or this year even. I just care about pitch accuracy getting fixed. Everything else is a matter of opinion.
It’s not really opinion but go off lol
Great players are always going to hit no matter what pitching is
You obviously don't know how to read.
Of course I know how to read just like everybody here we’ve been reading your salty complaints all game cycle
"I'm not disputing the fact that top players would not have high batting averages if pitch accuracy wasn't an issue."....
Yeah, like I said, you don't know how to read.
Here's the thing, that was what you were originally trying to argue or at least thats how it came across. It sounds like you want a true to life sim which to be honest I would enjoy as well. The problem is it would be a terrible business move because they would eliminate a huge part of their base. So many people already complain about the game being too hard for them, making it more or a sim would just get those people to give up.
Pitch accuracy was an issue last year that rolled over to being horrendous this year as well.
My whole thing with elite hitters BA may have been a bad example to relate it to real life. But I made sure that I didn't discredit any good hitters and their skill level by saying what I did. My thought was that if pitch accuracy got fixed, that there would be a direct correlation to BA and ERA's. For example, good hitters are going to still be good hitters against any pitch, but they're probably going to be a better hitter against pitches that are on or around the middle of the plate. Is that not a fair statement?
So my belief was that people who are hitting low .400 might be hitting high .300 instead which is still outstanding, but I could be wrong as those are just made up numbers when it comes down to it, I couldn't tell you what a .400 batter would be hitting if pitch accuracy got fixed, it was just my opinion.
But what amazes me is that you would think that gameplay would get fixed, or at minimum, get better as the years go on, but it doesn't feel like that's been the case.
https://forums.theshownation.com/topic/20654/the-current-state-of-sport-simulation-games
The purpose of this link is I completely agree with his statement and in particular the 3rd paragraph.
As for SDS and the whole thing about business that you briefly mentioned is a whole different discussion. But I know I haven't spent a penny more than what I've already paid for the game itself, and would never consider investing any money because of how horrible gameplay is. I would be very interested in knowing how much of a difference or impact it would make on their business if they did fix the gameplay however, which is something that has yet to be done for I don't know how many years past.
I agree every sports game has suffered since the introduction of Ultimate Team style modes. I used to be a franchise player but every sports game franchise mode is barely any different than 5 years ago. I would say 10 years ago but back then there were more features in franchise. I don't think SDS is anywhere near as bad as EA or 2k but I would be willing to sacrifice some card content for tighter gameplay and more features on other modes. I enjoy this year's game, there are plenty of things that frustrate me but I still have fun playing. I enjoy the perfect/perfect system addition. I am a bit of an optimist when it comes to games improving which is why i bought Madden for so long. SDS hasn't lost me yet.
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I dont know what it is, but I was very good at pitching in 19 and I felt like I had better control. Pitches didn't seem to randomly hang.
In 20, something in the engine was tweaked. Its like the user control was nerfed.
Something i did notice when it comes to using kontrol freaks or similar joystick covers - i actually had better control when taking it off my right joystick for analog pitching vs having it on.
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There’s a stat called control, if that’s not maxed out then your pitches aren’t always going to land right on the dot.
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